MMO-Champion - Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Bringing Achievements to the Account Level started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. minomine's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Cedimedi View Post
    So we get free riding skills for twinks if we have the meta holiday achievement.

    lol
    Heh...during my "junkie" phase, I ended up doing all of the "What A Long Strange Trip It's Been" on all 10 of my characters (1 of each class...). I should get a damn achievement for that alone >.<
  1. Bythedar's Avatar
    I love this. LOVE it. I have switched mains many times over the years, many times because of guild needs, but more times due to boredom. I hate seeing something on a toon I have not played in 4 years rot while the toon I am on at the moment cannot get it or would not because of the crappy grind involved.

    For those saying "earn it on that toon, don't want all the noobs running around with it", how can that person be a noob if. they. have. the. title? What kind of crackhead logic is that?
  1. Mission's Avatar
    why not make it battlent wide and not just account wide ? what about the ones who have 2 or more accounts ?
  1. xlord's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Cedimedi View Post
    So we get free riding skills for twinks if we have the meta holiday achievement.

    lol
    didnt event think of that but would be nice to have the fastest flightskill on all my chars without having to pay for it:P (got it through what a strange..... on my lock)
  1. Madruga's Avatar
    I like specifically 2 parts of the interview...

    "If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement" - That means you can still track if that character has completed a given raid or something. This was one of the biggest complaints from people, that they would not be able to use achievements in order to invite someone for a raid. Nothing to complain anymore!

    "The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills" - That means I can PVP on all my characters and all the HKs will count towards 100k and 250k! Now I am very inclined to level a toon for PVP-only purposes!

    Me likes! I love ghostcrawler too!
  1. Steik's Avatar
    Hand of A'dal on all my toons = happyness
  1. Alceus's Avatar
    I approve this.

    I love the way GC thinks.
  1. thunderdragon2's Avatar
    hmm very intresting chamnge but need somthign clarified

    my main needs barrel roll and alys hc for the fl meta. can i get those 2 acheives on a different char and still have it could on my mains meta?
  1. ktoth04's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlathe View Post
    So does this mean that my "Hand of A'dal" title will be available on all my toons now? Not just my rogue main from BC?
    Yes, it does mean that.
  1. SinR's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Steik View Post
    Hand of A'dal on all my toons = happyness
    Hand of A'dal, Rank 11, and Champion of the Naaru on all my characters.


    yum
  1. Snorri's Avatar
    This is great news! I have about 96K honor kills on my main. On my alts I probably have a total of 100K. When these changes go live I will be close to 250K achievement. Now I can finally do PvP on alts again without having to worry missing out on pvp achievements for my main.

    Also, I get to have awesome and unique titles such as Hand of A'dal, Champion of the Naaru and Herald of the Titans on my alts.

    Well done Blizzard.
  1. ktoth04's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Caribald View Post
    If they just don't make any "account only" achievements (all classes to level 90, all professions to 600 etc) I will be VERY happy. Especially since honorable kills will be shared among all characters, I didn't think they would do that.
    Why don't you like the idea of account only achievements?

    ---------- Post added 2012-05-08 at 01:09 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by kellyc View Post
    Sorry for still not understanding. But lets say I wanna go for "The Loremaster"
    Can I be "Loremaster of Cataclysm" on my mage and then "Loremaster of..(the rest)" and still get the achievement ""The Loremaster"?
    Cuz when he explains the "meta achievements." it does sound like thats possible.

    If you have Loremaster of Cata on one toon. Loremaster of Northend on another. Loremaster of BC on a third. Loremaster of EK on a fourth and Loremaster of Kal on a 5th, you'll still get "The Loremaster"
  1. wownomo's Avatar
    The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

    I managed to complete 50k on my main in my first 2 years of playing him. In the 2 years since I've only earned an additional 10k or so, mostly due to not enjoying pvp on my warlock in Cata. Yet I've been loving pvp on my other classes and have gained another 40k+ across them and this will put me well over the 100k HK needed for the achievement / title I've been coveting for years.

    Thank You.
  1. Mokoshne's Avatar
    Very KEWL change! i am very excited for this feature.
  1. Faunwea's Avatar
    Thank goodness... Maybe I'll finally get serious about one of my 10 alts now.
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thunderdragon2 View Post
    hmm very intresting chamnge but need somthign clarified

    my main needs barrel roll and alys hc for the fl meta. can i get those 2 acheives on a different char and still have it could on my mains meta?
    As it stands right now it would seem that this is the case.
  1. schippie's Avatar
    Please make honorable kills account wide!

    GC : Okay

    Me *nerdscreams*
  1. ComputerNerd's Avatar
    Largely what I expected, particularly with the meta-achievements and what they deem selected "brutal" achievements, though the clarification is welcome regardless.
    However I am concerned over the lack of information on meaningful achievements.
    Some such as raid or pvp achievements which are hugely influenced in viability by the choice of class and spec I feel needs some discussion.
    My concern is that many will be earned only once and via the easiest route, either by a geared alt or a faceroll choice with a distinct advantage.
  1. OwlsWarder's Avatar
    ...achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests...

    I've done waaaaay more than 2,500 dailies on my main.
  1. Fumu's Avatar
    2 TCG mounts. Violet Proto...hell, all of my Protos. RNG mounts. Tabard of Flame. Dozens of titles and 17 feats of strength. All to be shared someday! GC, I love you.

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