MMO-Champion - Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Bringing Achievements to the Account Level
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Bringing Achievements to the Account Level started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Lilena's Avatar
    Being an achievement whore I am happy... but the fact that I have 3 violet protos kinda irks me as I had to earn each one separately. and now it seems like if you get it on toon it's on all of them now. *shrug*
  1. OGXanos's Avatar
    still alot of unanswered questions here. is it truly account wide or is it per server? Also why not give credit for whichever toon unlocks the achievement first but then show who else did it in the hover box similar to the guild 'classy' achievements. Seems like this post was made to calm the masses but didn't really answer as much as it should.
  1. Pendragon's Avatar
    I'll love Blizzard forever if they make the vanilla PVP titles account-wide.
  1. sbtroll's Avatar
    I scanned all 9 pages and saw it asked but still never answered .... is this going to affect people with multiple accounts? Linked on battle.net of course
  1. Pann's Avatar
    Nice changes, really looking forward to this.
  1. mordras's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by sbtroll View Post
    I scanned all 9 pages and saw it asked but still never answered .... is this going to affect people with multiple accounts? Linked on battle.net of course
    They said at Blizzcon that the achievements are going to be global across your battle.net account. I assume that hasn't changed as I haven't heard differently yet. It is impossible to test this kind of thing in Beta though as you only have one account on Beta.
  1. NightHaawk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by sbtroll View Post
    I scanned all 9 pages and saw it asked but still never answered .... is this going to affect people with multiple accounts? Linked on battle.net of course
    No it says on your 1 account dude can't you read?
  1. Tokas's Avatar
    all the changes mentioned above are awesosum!
  1. Punks's Avatar
    Fuck Yeah!
  1. Runeweaver's Avatar
    So glad this is finally be implemented to be honest. I've remained staying my main all this time primarily because of the achievements associated with my main, however this will change everything. Especially with the mounts/pets change.
  1. Ephinia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zergal View Post
    Bloodthirsty inc, yay.

    Still not a big fan of the change as it literally kills the ''unique'' feel of every alts but meh. Also from a PvP, do i have any reason to play competitively my alts and try to go for Grand Marshal for example on my rogue, if all my alts already get the title from my Hunter? Also, lets say i get Gladiator as a Hunter or Rogue, it doesn't mean i can actually reach such rating as a Resto Shaman or Mage for example. Even from the PvE side, its not because i killed H:Madness as a Hunter that i could effectively heal the fight on a Resto Druid for example.

    Grinding achievements is also fun for some people, i have Battlemaster on 2 characters, i find it extremely fun to go for those goals when i bg, instead of just killing people for the sake of it, it means i'm not allowed to go for Battlemaster on say, my rogue anymore?

    Idk, feels it removes more options and create more problems than it solve.
    You can still earn them again, you just don't earn the points again. The game will still recognize that you earned the achievement on the alt, even if you have it unlocked account-wide.
  1. Paulosio's Avatar
    "You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction"

    I remember that they said at Blizzcon (I think) that in MOP most mounts / pets will become BOE (I don't mean BOA).... For example someone tested this out by importing a wow account with unlearned childrens week pets onto the Beta and all the childrens week pets were BOE.

    What i'm wondering is will the argent tournament mounts become BOE and thus give the other faction a chance to get those mounts ? The pets are already BOE so it doesn't seem that unlikely or impossible. I've already started doing these daily quests again to get my alliance character the horde mounts from the argent tournament.

    The other thing i'm wondering about is Ashes of A'lar (and other rare mounts such as Rivendare's Deathcharger). I already have this mount on my alliance hunter but if it was to become BOE i'd start farming it again for gold....
  1. F-Minus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Guest View Post
    I wonder if a scarab lord gets the title (and maybe mount) on all characters.

    a) it was "brutal"
    b) not available anymore

    That means, if I don't play this specific toon anymore, it's "lost".
    Well if you were in a top guild, the quest chain for the scepter wasn't brutal at all, what was brutal was the whole server kickin' in for the war effort.
  1. Raxxed's Avatar
    Love.
    /10char
  1. Marsha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by p3charmed2024 View Post
    I personally think almost all achievements should be account wide... Its not the character that earned the achievements, its indeed the player... bc trust me, I AM THE ONE THAT PLAYED FOR 6 years not a character.

    And someone once mentioned " how will i know a player is good bc now their alts have all these good achievements.. how do i know this dude is good on his alt?" HELLo HOW ABOUT DOING IT THE OLD FASHION WAY, test run him, talk to him, ect... you know, what u did b4 there was achievements in the game.. sheesh.
    Im sorry but If i spend 2 years grinding out Battlemaster and mounts/ titles ect... heck ya I wanna show it on whatever character i play., bc no my mage didnt earn it I DID!.
    And if for some reason my guild no longer needs my mage and they need a healer... I roll a healer, then yes i should have the same achievements show on my healer bc i as a player earned them.

    the end
    I couldn't say it better other than change it to 7 and a half years.
  1. Tinykong's Avatar
    I love these changes, hopefully rep will go account wide as well, nothing is worse than farming the same boring rep 5 times to get shoulder enchants. Or, at the very least, make the rewards BOA.
  1. golbez's Avatar
    omg.. just.. thanks
  1. Vainglorious's Avatar
    "250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count."

    OMG YAY!!!!!
    You see, I'm an altoholic. I have massive hks on numerous toons, but only one with over 100k, and I was nowhere close to 250k on that one.
    But on all of them combined...I may already have 250k. Friggin' sweet!
  1. untouched's Avatar
    something tells me you will not need the MoP expansion for this change, I don't think they'll have two versions of achievements going.
  1. Valala's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Guest View Post
    I wonder if a scarab lord gets the title (and maybe mount) on all characters.

    a) it was "brutal"
    b) not available anymore

    That means, if I don't play this specific toon anymore, it's "lost".
    Currently on the beta, the Black Qiraji Battle Tank is shared across all characters.

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