MMO-Champion - Legendary Questline Update, Character Creation Gear, Blue Posts, Weekly Roundup
Update: It appears Accession (US-Stormreaver) was able to kill the Grand Empress Shek'zeer and confirm that a single Sigil of Wisdom dropped. The first person to loot the boss with the quest got it.

Also, don't forget that you could originally get Elementium Gem Cluster from LFR on the Patch 4.3 PTR, which turned out to be a bug. When introducing the Raid Finder, Blizzard said "Also, there are certain items, as well as components for legendary weapons, which will not drop in Raid Finder raids".

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Legendary Questline Update
After meeting Wrathion and sharing a drink with him, he gives you a quest that requires you to collect Sigil of Power x 10 and Sigil of Wisdom x 10.

When LFR opened for testing tonight, we found that Sigil of Power drops from every boss 100% of the time. It appears as a quest objective in the tooltips for most bosses in Raid Finder difficulty, but drops from all of the bosses that have been killed so far.

Earlier today, we saw that Sigil of Wisdom appeared as a quest objective on Grand Empress Shek'zeer's tooltip in 25 Man Normal Difficulty Heart of Fear. Unfortunately, no one was able to kill her to confirm that it actually drops. Keep in mind that this is beta and things can change in the future and may not be working as intended.

Once 10 of each Sigil has been collected, Warthion sends you into the Terrace of Endless Spring to defeat the Sha of Fear. Before entering the Terrace of Endless Spring, you must have completed the Heart of Fear raid. Upon defeating the Sha of Fear you will loot a Chimera of Fear from him and bring it back to Wrathion.

When the items that you collected are combined, you will be able to choose from a Crystallized Dread, Crystallized Horror, or Crystallized Terror gem. These gems are unique equipped, and go into a Sha-Touched socket in the weapons below. These weapons drop from bosses in Terrace of the Endless Spring and the last boss of Heart of Fear.

Sha-Touched Weapons

Level Type Spec Slot Name Dropped From Dropped In
509Two-handed AxeMeleeTwo HandShin'ka, Execution of DominionSha of FearTerrace of Endless Spring
509GunPhysical DPSRangedTaoren, the Soul BurnerLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
509One-handed SwordMeleeOne HandKilrak, Jaws of TerrorSha of FearTerrace of Endless Spring
509One-handed SwordSpell DPSOne HandLoshan, Terror IncarnateTsulongTerrace of Endless Spring
509StaffPhysical DPSTwo HandGao-Rei, Staff of the Legendary ProtectorTsulongTerrace of Endless Spring
509StaffSpell DPSTwo HandJin'ya, Orb of the WaterspeakerLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
509DaggerPhysical DPSOne HandSpiritseverLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
509One-handed MaceSpell DPSMain HandKri'tak, Imperial Scepter of the SwarmGrand Empress Shek'zeerHeart of Fear
509Fist WeaponPhysical DPSOne HandClaws of Shek'zeerGrand Empress Shek'zeerHeart of Fear
Level Type Spec Slot Name Dropped From Dropped In
496Two-handed AxeMeleeTwo HandShin'ka, Execution of DominionSha of FearTerrace of Endless Spring
496GunPhysical DPSRangedTaoren, the Soul BurnerLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
496One-handed SwordMeleeOne HandKilrak, Jaws of TerrorSha of FearTerrace of Endless Spring
496One-handed SwordSpell DPSOne HandLoshan, Terror IncarnateTsulongTerrace of Endless Spring
496StaffPhysical DPSTwo HandGao-Rei, Staff of the Legendary ProtectorTsulongTerrace of Endless Spring
496StaffSpell DPSTwo HandJin'ya, Orb of the WaterspeakerLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
496DaggerPhysical DPSOne HandSpiritseverLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
496One-handed MaceSpell DPSMain HandKri'tak, Imperial Scepter of the SwarmGrand Empress Shek'zeerHeart of Fear
496Fist WeaponPhysical DPSOne HandClaws of Shek'zeerGrand Empress Shek'zeerHeart of Fear
Level Type Spec Slot Name Dropped From Dropped In
483Two-handed AxeMeleeTwo HandShin'ka, Execution of DominionSha of FearTerrace of Endless Spring
483GunPhysical DPSRangedTaoren, the Soul BurnerLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
483One-handed SwordMeleeOne HandKilrak, Jaws of TerrorSha of FearTerrace of Endless Spring
483One-handed SwordSpell DPSOne HandLoshan, Terror IncarnateTsulongTerrace of Endless Spring
483StaffPhysical DPSTwo HandGao-Rei, Staff of the Legendary ProtectorTsulongTerrace of Endless Spring
483StaffSpell DPSTwo HandJin'ya, Orb of the WaterspeakerLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
483DaggerPhysical DPSOne HandSpiritseverLei ShiTerrace of Endless Spring
483One-handed MaceSpell DPSMain HandKri'tak, Imperial Scepter of the SwarmGrand Empress Shek'zeerHeart of Fear
483Fist WeaponPhysical DPSOne HandClaws of Shek'zeerGrand Empress Shek'zeerHeart of Fear


Don't forget that this is only part of the questline, as it continues when war comes to Pandaria in Patch 5.1! There are also achievements that hint at the questline continuing in patches that come after 5.1. We also haven't seen a source confirmed yet for Breath of the Black Prince or the legendary icons below.



Icon Name Icon Name Icon Name Icon Name
Legendary Axe Legendary Fist Weapon Legendary Gun Legendary Knife
Legendary Mace Legendary Shield Legendary Staff Legendary Sword

Name Side Points Reward Category
Chapter I: Trial of the Black Prince
Prove your worth to Wrathion and acquire a sha-touched gem upgrade.

25

Pandaria
Chapter II: Wrathion's War
[Coming in Patch 5.1...]

25

Pandaria
Chapter III: Two Princes
[Coming Soon...]

25

Pandaria
Chapter IV: Judgement of the Black Prince
[Coming Soon...]

25

Pandaria


New Character Creation Preview Gear
This build finally finished adding the last of the new character creation gear used in the preview. This is not the gear that your character will get when starting the game, but the gear that is used to show you what a higher level character will look like. Keep in mind that this is beta and things can always change!



Beta Class Balance Analysis
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Pretty much this...for some reason devs think most progression guilds are quite happy to bring an underperforming player to a progression fight (Obviously none of them are in progression oriented guilds).
Actually, several designers have been farming Heroic Madness of Deathwing (some on 25, some on 10), for over 6 months. Some of them are in very performance-intensive guilds too, that definitely adjust raid comp based on individual performance above all else. In any event, you don't make a stronger case for yourself by arguing that the designers must lack your experience. And, as has been stated multiple times, this thread is for discussing numbers and mechanics, not making anecdotal accusations.

The point is this: Would your raiding developers ever bring the MoP Affliction Warlock to a unnerfed Heroic Spine-like fight? Desto and Affliction locks did not have competitive burst. Demo lock was there as the buff bot and actually did pretty decent damage as long as the lifts were no often than every 2 minutes.

Current Affliction damage is fairly stable until execute, with no real spikes or troughs. We still cannot bring competitive burst, unless my sims are incorrect. We will be sat for these encounters or respec, just like we were in Cata. Oh and we will be sat for AoE fights as well since things will be dead before we even get going. Spine left some pretty deep scars I must admit.

Heroic Spine is an extremely skewing fight, as it forced you to value 20-second burst damage every 1:30 to 2:00 over just about everything else. It’s no surprise when that does unfortunate things to class/spec balance. We try to balance different specs to do similar sustained damage, but allow them to have different strengths and weaknesses, such as burst potential. One of the class designers (who also happens to be a raid leader in a 25-player raid progression guild) says that if there were a similar encounter in Mists of Pandaria, he would definitely ask his warlocks to switch to Destruction, given that Destruction’s potential 20-second burst is incredibly high. Warlocks would definitely not be sat in that situation.

It seems that Halo and Divine Star have a DR now... is it at "beyond 6", similar to Sanct/Healing Rain?
Yes; we recently did a pass on making sure that new AoEs were appropriately following our standard AoE capping rules (10 targets for damage, 6 targets for heals). There were a number of Monk AoEs and a few other class level 90 talents affected, I believe.

Death Knight (Forums)
In the current beta build when an unholy death knight uses blood boil (speced into Rolling Blood), blood runes don't turn into death runes (Reaping effect). Just an obvious bug which we can hopefully see fixed in a later build.
Fixed for the next build.

Hunter (Forums)
After some discussion with a fellow hunter, I have been questioning the worth of Focus Fire. In its current state, it seems that casting Focus Fire could actually result in a net DPS loss, based on information gained using Zeherah's sim and personal observations.
We did notice this and have buffed it a bit, but that change didn’t make the build you’re just now getting. I believe the amount of haste it grants your character went up to 6% and we might need to increase it further. It should be a significant DPS increase, not just break even.

Hunter level 90 talents (glaive shot, etc.) appear not to be triggering Marksman mastery. Is that intended?

Murder of crows benefits from BM mastery, but Dire Beast does not. What's the intent here (e.g., presumably Lynx Rush benefits from it)?

The Hunter level 90 talents should trigger Wild Quiver, with the exception that Barrage has 1/6th the normal proc rate (so that it isn’t overwhelmingly dominant for Marksmanship).

The next build will include a new version of Murder of Crows. It’s mostly a mechanic and visual change; the damage should remain roughly the same, including being affected by Master of Beasts. Dire Beast will also be affected by Master of Beasts in the next build (so that the entire talent row is consistently affected by it).

Paladin (Forums)
Latest finds from doing hitting dummies for an hour.
  • Judgment can be dodge/parried from 30 yds away
  • Hammer of the Righteous is really bugged.
  • Nova is doing only 1-2 damage at several AP levels
  • It really only hits for 0 yds.
These are simple bugs, and are fixed for the next build. Also, a clarification on the previous update about Judgment and its interaction with seals: Seal of Truth will affect Judgment (both damage and Censure application). The other seals will not.

Warlock (Forums)
Another bug which may confuse Affliction warlocks in the current beta build is Malefic Grasp’s interaction with spell haste. It is appropriately getting its period reduced by haste, but the channel bar is incorrectly still 4 seconds long. The debuff it applies is the accurate duration. It should not gain additional ticks with additional haste. The channel bar will be fixed in the next build.

Sorry but I am confused. Can you please explain this a little better? Are you saying that the MG ticks benefit from haste but the extra dot damage is still every 1 second? Or are you saying something else?
No, the extra DoT ticks are directly tied to the MG damage ticks. The bug is simply that the channel bar UI is not being affected by haste. The gameplay functionality is correct.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
World Boss Availability
I understand that Mogushan Vaults is going to be out a week after the xpac drops, but what about the 2 world bosses? Will those be spawning and killable the week of the xpac?
Yes, world bosses will be available on day 1. Oh, the days of trying to down Azuregos. September 25 is going to be epic! (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Teleports Rewarded by Gold Medal Challenge Modes
They share a cooldown with each other, but not with the hearthstone or other player spells like shaman Astral Recall or mage Teleport. Whenever you complete a challenge mode, this shared cooldown is reset. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

LFR Rewards and Difficulty
While LFR difficulty requires less coordination and organization than normal raids, it still generally takes more effort than completing a heroic. Therefore, shouldn't the rewards be greater?

Also, I think people generally like the normal dungeon>heroic>LFR>normal raid setup. Removing a step would give people less diversity. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Content Difficulty and Consumption Speed
As my son (Lambey) pointed out a number of times, releasing LFR this early into a patch means content gets done on week 2 its out.
personally me AND my son feel the schedule needs to be adjusted to the following:

September 25: MoP launches
October 2: Mogu'shan Vaults (normal) opens
October 7: those who cleared normal Vaults can access heroic mode
October 30: Heart of Fear and Terrace of Endless Spring (normal) open, with Terrace only accessible by clearing Heart. LFR difficulty for Mogu'shan Vaults opens.
November 6: Those who cleared normal Heart can access heroic Heart, same for Terrace.
November 27: Lfr for Heart Opens.
December 11: Lfr for Terrace Opens.

This means that even a month later, the content has NOT been burnt out by the casual gamers. it also allows raiders to feel somewhat superior as they are seeing content others arent, while also providing incentive for players to at least TRY normal mode raids!

If others want to try and burn the content in two weeks through LFR. How is your gaming experience diminished by it? I can't honestly understand what's the big deal on people that isn't you doing something that you don't want to do. I mean, what could you possibly do when someone that is not you storms Mogu'shan Vaults on the LFR...

it also allows raiders to feel somewhat superior as they are seeing content others arent
Perhaps we should just tell the devs that we should close all raids until the Top 10 guilds clear them on heroic, so that they can feel superior to everyone else as they are seeing content that you, the raiders not-as-good-as-them aren't seeing. Does it make sense?

Again you come back to a frankly stupid and absurd statement about locking content till the top 10 guilds kill it....I mean why do you have such a problem with players doing stuff that others cannot?
Do you mean that the argument of locking "casuals" from LFR so that raiders can feel superior because they aren't doing that content is fine, but that same example applied in a higher level is wrong? Both situations are the same, just applied at a different scale.

I don't have a problem with players doing stuff that others cannot, I have a problem with proclaiming that locking others so someone can feel superior is a good thing (and regardless, what I may have problems with is irrelevant to this discussion, is not me who decides what's wrong and what's not).

Have you never looked at a player in full gear beyond your skill levels or content and thought wow I want to look like that someday.
No, never. Back in the old days I remember looking at a T1 geared player, and my reaction was something along the lines of "that armor is cool, I wonder how long it'll take me before getting to reach the place where I can get that". And the only reason that particular player caught my attention was because he was playing the same class than me.

For a lot of people clearing things on a higher difficulty is not content.
The developers consider the Normal-Heroic transition to be part of the raiding progression. Of course, it's your choice to decide if you want to go and deal with Heroic content or not.

What most are advocating in this thread is not to remove content from casuals, it’s to ensure that their content lasts longer and that they will learn and become better from their gaming experience.
I'm quite sure that the "casuals" can handle themselves in what they want and how they want it, and they don't need parenting from "hardcore" players. And what I mean is, the goal, probably, is having fun, right?

If that's the goal, then it's probably best to worry about how you can have fun yourself, and point out the flaws there, point out what doesn't let you have fun, without factoring in what other players do. That's something we can send to the developers. But judging how others should have fun is certainly not going to get us anywhere.

But parently by nerfing is different somehow?
The debuff is a design decission made by the developers based on the data they have. In the other hand, the players that say how the game should be for others only have their opinion. And opinions are great, as long as you don't try to turn them into facts.

Loads of people are trying here, including me, but somehow you seem hellbent on telling me that I play for gear, status and titles.
That you're playing for gear, status and titles is not a bad thing (if that is your case), the issue comes from saying that the only way those things are worth it is preventing others from getting it.

I'm not having fun by the highest tier of raiding being watered down. I'm telling you, since you are our relay to the devs and designers. Please take note of it, since your arguements are based on some kind of assumpion of pride, while it really isn't. In fact, that shows only your personal view of the matter. Take one step back and look at it more objectively.
Hopefully the Cutting Edge FoS will give a reason to you and your guildmates (if they don't share that view with you) to go and tackle the content without any debuffs.

We post because we care (I hope). Just look at how (relatively) civil this 200 page thread still is. People take it serious. Perhaps you should to. Think. Reread, and only then post.
I take it seriously, otherwise I wouldn't be posting here anymore. Actually, from this thread we've gathered useful feedback, and questions, that were forwarded to the developers.

One thing, just as an example, was that some players here pointed out they feel the Power of the Aspects kicked in too early for them. The developers are happy with the point in time at which it was introduced. The timing of each increment of the debuff is completely driven by data. When they see participation and progress declining across the board because of "brick walls" on some bosses, they introduce the nerf to encourage those players to come back and keep trying. And every time they've done it they've seen the participation in Dragon Soul increase exponentially in comparison to previous weeks.

So, with that in mind, it might be an aswer you like or one you don't. But, it is an answer (along with others we've shared) that came due to threads like this (and, as you remarked, its mostly civil tone). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabard Reputation Rewards
The point is some people like how their character looks, and gaining rep with x factions forces you to wear different tabards you might not like (if you choose to gain rep via dungeons).
Just as an update, we're going to change the whole tabard system with MoP, so this shouldn't be an issue any longer.
We're fixing this in Mists of Pandaria by removing the whole concept of tabards providing reputation bonuses.

Of course we're still in beta and things can always change... (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Spells in PvE vs PvP
I think some of you are making big assumptions about how the spell data work. I realize that the mechanics behind our data can quite obtuse, but you'll just have to trust me that having two sets of numbers is just more risk than one. It is a risk worth taking sometimes, but it is a risk. Set bonuses, talents, tooltips, basically everything that can modify a spell need to modify two spells instead. There are opportunities for bugs to creep in, and long term players know how many strange bugs or quirks show up in character spells already.

(Armchair programmers at thIs point can argue how our data structure *should* be set up, but you'll also just have to trust me that it's probably a more complex problem than you give it credit for.)

In any case, I'm also not convinced at all that even if we could easily manage two different sets of numbers that it would really solve the problem. I think sometimes in players' minds, they say "Man, I just can't kill anyone in PvP. It is a truth universally acknowledged that my dude's PvP damage is too low, but Blizzard can't buff it because I do well in PvE." The shortcoming in that logic of course is that the truth is rarely universally acknowledged, and in the case of PvP there aren't even logs or target dummies to look at. In some cases your damage is just fine and it's not the game rules holding you back. In some cases you lost not because the deck was stacked against you, but because you got outplayed.

I'm not saying there aren't PvP balance issues. There are and there may always be. But I also don't think players would suddenly become much more objective about their own personal skill just because we adjusted more numbers independently. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Class Changes Discussion
I know it may come as a shock, but this forum is not our sole conduit though which to monitor player feedback. The twin strategies of "shh, don't admit we're overpowered" and "shh, don't let them know we're happy" are about as transparent as you would imagine. I would suggest leaving the psychological warfare at home and just be honest about how you feel (and as I said above, backing it up with evidence of some kind is vastly more helpful to us).

We had just been discussing whether it would be better to warn players that some nerfs were coming and let them worry themselves to death, or to just make the changes and have players be surprised. Conveniently, this thread came along.... (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Warrior (Forums)
New Enrage Graphic
It was an experiment. We're not crazy about it and the player response has been negative overall, so we're going to revert it. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Pet Battle Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Weakened by Capture
We have made a few adjustments to the both the weakened by capture pets and the overall XP curve. Details below!

  • Catching any pet level 15 or under retains its current level.
  • Catching a level 16-20 pet will lose 1 level.
  • Catching a level 21-25 pet will lose 2 levels.
  • We have dramatically reduced the XP required to level for pets after level 10.

Thanks for all of your feedback on this stuff guys. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Healing Pets is Getting Old
We have reduced the cool down to 10m in the next build. Don't forget you can get single use heals in the Sack of Pet Supplies from the Tamer dailies as an alternative to using the Stable Master or your Revive spell. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Northrend Tamer
When can we expect this achievement to be fixed? as it stands right now, there are still no battle pets in Crystalsong Forest so this achievement is currently unobtainable.
Good catch! This is fixed in the next build. Thanks for the report. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Microscopic crabs.
Is there a specific reason as to why every wild crab that I run into is almost microscopic? I wouldn't mind capturing one, but I would at least like to see the pet that I'm using.
This is fixed in the next build. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Revive Battle Pets Exploit?
This is a good thread, here are a few of our thoughts:

Healing pets to full after every battle is not a change we are interested in making. We want to encourage players to not only win a battle, but to win by taking the least amount of damage or by using pet heals in a smart way. Attrition is a driving part of the gameplay and it won't be going away anytime soon. We do have tunable factors that we will continue to watch though. (Battle Recovery, Revive spell cooldown & pet bandages)

In regards to the Revive Pets spell, we have just reduced the cooldown to 10m for the next build. (Down from 15m) We will keep a close eye on the feedback and continue to monitor how often players are using the Stable Master to heal. The Stable Master should be a fallback, not a requirement. We know the pet bandages are a bit too sparse right now too, we are going to amp that up as well to help fill in the gaps.

Finally, the cool-up's that we added to the heal spells (both the player and stable master) are to deal with exploit cases of players using multiple characters/accounts to avoid cooldowns. We used 3 minutes as a baseline since most players can fly to one in that amount of time from pretty much anywhere on a full speed mount.

Thanks for all the feedback, we are listening! (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

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  1. lewisderp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    As I said, it's your opinion. All opinions matter, no matter how daft they are (not saying yours is).

    LFR is meant to give better gear because, actually, it IS harder. People keep saying you can just AFK through the whole thing but that's just not true. If everyone sat there AFK while on Ultraxion, would the boss be killed? No, you'd wipe and have to do it properly. And to be honest, if something like that actually shocks you, life must be like the ultimate horror film for you.

    I never said anything about not knowing a class or needing 5 hours or more to learn it. I find it quite amusing that you point me towards a website to learn my class. Believe this or not, I actually manage to learn my class all on my own. Thinking for myself? Is that shocking too?

    By all means keep looking at how the game is doing. But please, don't just stick around to bad mouth the game if you no longer even play it. Millions of people still do and most have no idea this website even exists. Why? Because they manage to just play the game and have fun.[COLOR="red"]
    I think you are taking my post as a personal attack, I was not directing you towards noxxic, please don't be dramatic. I was saying that there are so many resources that can help people become better at the game in only 10 minutes that there really isn't an excuse, and could I ask if you have actually played LFR? I say it's a shock because every time I have been in there to help someone else out I see multiple people auto attacking or simply not attacking at all. Needless to say the few people who do actually take part in the fight manage to take down the bosses, even if there is only 15 or so people attacking or healing. Don't say LFR is harder than dungeons, because that is not true at all. The most challenging part of it for players is the button boss, because buttons are hard, clearly.

    I am not bad mouthing the game, this just backs up the idea that you're taking this as an insult and not as criticism, the current state of the game is bad, take a look at the damn dungeon and raid forums, or even the thread the blues are talking in, so many people are against the current state of the game and are stuck in annual passes or subscriptions.

    Again, please don't take this as a personal insult because it's not, and I'm all for a good discussion but every discussion which is opinionated seems to turn into a personal attack.

    Again, to be 100%, I'm not attacking you.

    This post is not a personal attack on you.

    Edit: also i'll add that you did suggest that the game does take 5 hours to learn, if people take 10 minutes to learn their class and add a bit of difficulty to LFR like every other game, it wouldn't take 5 hours:
    Not everyone can sink 5+ hours into a game ever day. The majority of casual players will simply not raid at all if that difficulty is there.
  1. UnifiedDivide's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lewisderp View Post
    I think you are taking my post as a personal attack, I was not directing you towards noxxic, please don't be dramatic. I was saying that there are so many resources that can help people become better at the game in only 10 minutes that there really isn't an excuse, and could I ask if you have actually played LFR? I say it's a shock because every time I have been in there to help someone else out I see multiple people auto attacking or simply not attacking at all. Needless to say the few people who do actually take part in the fight manage to take down the bosses, even if there is only 15 or so people attacking or healing. Don't say LFR is harder than dungeons, because that is not true at all. The most challenging part of it for players is the button boss, because buttons are hard, clearly.

    I am not bad mouthing the game, this just backs up the idea that you're taking this as an insult and not as criticism, the current state of the game is bad, take a look at the damn dungeon and raid forums, or even the thread the blues are talking in, so many people are against the current state of the game and are stuck in annual passes or subscriptions.

    Again, please don't take this as a personal insult because it's not, and I'm all for a good discussion but every discussion which is opinionated seems to turn into a personal attack.

    Again, to be 100%, I'm not attacking you.

    This post is not a personal attack on you.

    Edit: also i'll add that you did suggest that the game does take 5 hours to learn:
    First of all, no, I didn't take anything as a personal attack. I'm grown up enough to not be offended by someone on the internet.

    As for websites and addons, a lot of new players have no idea that those things are out there. A lot of current players don't even know about some of them. Unless a current player directs these guys to those resources, then they will only learn as well as their brains allow them.
    I've done LFR plenty of times and probably 9/10 times, everyone is doing as they should be. Generally because they don't want to be kicked. You can't take a few examples of your experience and assume it's the exact same experience for everyone else. In the end, your experience with the game will likely differ greatly from my own meaning that we have (obviously) different opinions of things. I won't deny that pushing a button seems hard for some people though. A druid in my raid group always fails to press it when he needs to, no matter how many times we tell him :P

    Again, I'm not insulted so easily The current state of the game is not good or bad. It is subjective. Please don't tell me to read the forums. They are pretty much only used by people who have nothing better to do than complain. I've been raiding for a looong time and I would much rather have things the way we do now than what we used to have. Everything is opinion though and with so many players, there are bound to be so many different ones.
  1. Attsey's Avatar
    "While LFR difficulty requires less coordination and organization than normal raids, it still generally takes more effort than completing a heroic. Therefore, shouldn't the rewards be greater?"

    Greater reward for doing something that takes more effort? what an interesting concept. Oddly this the very thing they argue against when defending nerfs (or at least that blue clown does). Shows that their arguement is flawed.
  1. lewisderp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    First of all, no, I didn't take anything as a personal attack. I'm grown up enough to not be offended by someone on the internet.

    As for websites and addons, a lot of new players have no idea that those things are out there. A lot of current players don't even know about some of them. Unless a current player directs these guys to those resources, then they will only learn as well as their brains allow them.
    I've done LFR plenty of times and probably 9/10 times, everyone is doing as they should be. Generally because they don't want to be kicked. You can't take a few examples of your experience and assume it's the exact same experience for everyone else. In the end, your experience with the game will likely differ greatly from my own meaning that we have (obviously) different opinions of things. I won't deny that pushing a button seems hard for some people though. A druid in my raid group always fails to press it when he needs to, no matter how many times we tell him :P

    Again, I'm not insulted so easily :) The current state of the game is not good or bad. It is subjective. Please don't tell me to read the forums. They are pretty much only used by people who have nothing better to do than complain. I've been raiding for a looong time and I would much rather have things the way we do now than what we used to have. Everything is opinion though and with so many players, there are bound to be so many different ones.
    30%+ of the games subscriptions gone since Wrath (not including those who have left and been replaced by new subscribers or RAF/SoR) says the game is in a decline :p It will be interesting though to see the numbers in Q42012/Q12013, when the "new expansion" view has disappeared, and the 1.1million annual pass holders who want to break away have unsubscribed.

    Really, I hope Blizzard takes the loss in subscriptions as a wake up call to produce better content than the 4.1 Zul dungeons (Replacing a new raid with a couple of rehashed dungeons, yay?) and the 7-boss Firelands raid, and the 8-boss DS raid which had unusual difficulty curves all over the place, but we'll find out when 5.1 hits PTR. I really hope things get better.
  1. rika's Avatar
    LFR and legendaries items? No thanks.
  1. UnifiedDivide's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lewisderp View Post
    30%+ of the games subscriptions gone since Wrath (not including those who have left and been replaced by new subscribers or RAF/SoR) says the game is in a decline It will be interesting though to see the numbers in Q42012/Q12013, when the "new expansion" view has disappeared, and the 1.1million annual pass holders who want to break away have unsubscribed.

    Really, I hope Blizzard takes the loss in subscriptions as a wake up call to produce better content than the 4.1 Zul dungeons (Replacing a new raid with a couple of rehashed dungeons, yay?) and the 7-boss Firelands raid, and the 8-boss DS raid which had unusual difficulty curves all over the place, but we'll find out when 5.1 hits PTR. I really hope things get better.
    I don't think 30% is exactly correct. That would mean each 30% = 3 million people. Considering we had 12 million to start with, that would mean 120% +
    You also just stated that all 1.1 million Annual Pass holders will want to unsubscribe. That is entirely false. I myself have the Annual Pass and I'll be sticking around for a while yet

    I do agree that I'd rather not have a repeat of 4.1, though I enjoyed the dungeons. What I have seen of the beta and played on the beta, MoP looks like a solid expansion so far. But yes, 5.1 will likely be what to look out for. Honestly, I think the the lack of things in Cata is a result of them wanting to make MoP all it can be at launch.
  1. Janysa's Avatar
    For them wondering if the socket can be took out again: Yes.
    U'll just need an Engineer-Friend.
  1. Faerwen's Avatar
    Aren't the gems and the Sha-Touched weapons just the beginning of the Legendary quests that will span at least a few patches? And to the guy that said poor hunters, there is a gun on that list, lol
  1. thrillseeker's Avatar
    I think at the end we will have some fight based on Kael'Thas - Everyone will have legendary weapons which will have their special work to do so , but i think this legendaries won't be forever, since if they are on every class that means - free legendaries which i dont think if blizzard want to keep their subs in some normal numbers will do that . Imo ... they wanna trick us thinking everyone will have legendary at the end of the Expac but i don't think so ! It will be some normal weapon which will become legendary for some "Battle".
  1. Riavan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thrillseeker View Post
    I think at the end we will have some fight based on Kael'Thas - Everyone will have legendary weapons which will have their special work to do so , but i think this legendaries won't be forever, since if they are on every class that means - free legendaries which i dont think if blizzard want to keep their subs in some normal numbers will do that . Imo ... they wanna trick us thinking everyone will have legendary at the end of the Expac but i don't think so ! It will be some normal weapon which will become legendary for some "Battle".

    Legendaries on every class doesn't mean free legendaries. From what it looks like, only half of the tokens drop in raid finder.
  1. Sapphirian's Avatar
    Am i the only one who doesnt like that the staff and mace are both haste/crit? as an ele shammy im sad there is no mastery thrown in there..
  1. Spyda's Avatar
    First of all, at the people complaining about the gem please keep in mind that this only 1 of possible 4 rewards from the quest line im sure that as the expac progresses u can turn u weapon or w/e into some form of badass super charged beatstick.
    Secondly is my questions, Is the gem going to get removable along with possible future enchants to reuse on new/better weapons as the expac continues or are players expected to save everything untill they get end game BiS? and is there only going to be one player in the raid at a time going to be able to collect the items? if i so i think this may cause alot of aggro for some players.

    Cheers.
  1. Pippo89's Avatar
    Come on Blizzard, do not let the Sigils drop in the lowbobby LFR -_-
  1. Freese's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Faerwen View Post
    Aren't the gems and the Sha-Touched weapons just the beginning of the Legendary quests that will span at least a few patches? And to the guy that said poor hunters, there is a gun on that list, lol
    People can't read. They just jump to conclusions with out taking 5 minutes to figure out what's going on.
  1. Markluzz's Avatar
    People who don't do LFR try this honestly

    I won't be running LFR till I clear the instance on normal with my guild, that way I get a since of progression and see the bosses at their proper difficulty first. But this may not work for everybody since I am not in an extreme progression guild
  1. Ashe-Arathor's Avatar
    Yeah Blizzard definitely needs to confirm if the gem will be able to be removed from the weapon in question to re-socket it into a Heroic upgrade.

    Maybe we won't get enough sigils before heroic is actually released, considering the gating on the raids and if sigil's of wisdom only drops from Heart of Fear and Terrace of Endless Springs... Then it could take a while before anyone has enough to even get the gem.

    Some confirmation would be nice though.
  1. Ikkarus's Avatar
    As always Blizzard doesn't listen at all...I'm glad not return to MOP!
  1. tuesday the paladin's Avatar
    A little disappointed about the change to the rep/tabard system. It was a huge step up in improvement over the tbc/vanilla means of acquiring rep in dungeons. Would hate to have each faction attached to 1-2 dungeons again. Especially with no level 90 normal modes that would be a huge pain to gather rep with a specific faction.

    Quote Originally Posted by zarzer View Post
    It's unfair that there's no stamina gem. We feral druids will be forced to use the legendary agility gem.
    I'm hoping there's a mastery or atleast stamina gem out there that hasn't been discovered yet. I'd be very lame if plate tanks had to use a worthless strength gem. I wonder if we'll be able to stick a normal rare gem in the socket. Legendary or not I'll take 320 mastery over 500 strength every time.
  1. Eikelman's Avatar
    What UI is the Rogue using?
  1. Flitzy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by rika View Post
    LFR and legendaries items? No thanks.
    Guess what.

    LFR is optional - don't like it, don't do it.

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