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DREAM Paragon Heroic Mogu'shan Vaults 10 Man World First
DREAM Paragon killed Will of the Emperor and cleared 10 man Heroic Mogu'shan Vaults. Congratulations to them!

The next most progressed guilds have two bosses down in 10 man. Blood Legion and Method now both have five bosses down in 25 man.

This article was originally published in forum thread: DREAM Paragon Heroic Mogu'shan Vaults 10 Man World First started by chaud View original post
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  1. ripslyme's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    Im glad. Even though they are 10man, they didnt use anyone else. just 10 raiders.
    hahahahah

    they all started with ilvl 380+ this has nothing do to with being a true 10man Guild
  1. Alphamage's Avatar
    Grats to Paragon.
    10 man raiding is harder than 25. Not much harder but there is a gap.
    A players mistake can be forgiven in a 25 man but not in a 10 man. A player under performing in a 25 man is not making a great difference but in a 10 man makes a big one.
    On the other hand, it is much easier to find 10 great players than 25. And these 10 Paragon players are making a Dream team...
  1. Jomu's Avatar
    Dont get why so many seems to think the comp is strange :3 That fight MAJORLY favors multidotters. Aka druids/locks
  1. Gliff's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by droopy219 View Post
    10 man's are Hard
    Considering second place is 2/6...yes. The percentage of 10 man guild that have killed a heroic boss is so significantly lower then 25.
  1. rowaasr13's Avatar
    You know why it is significantly lower? Because all the good guilds doing 25.
  1. woopytywoop's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alphamage View Post
    Grats to Paragon.
    10 man raiding is harder than 25. Not much harder but there is a gap.
    A players mistake can be forgiven in a 25 man but not in a 10 man. A player under performing in a 25 man is not making a great difference but in a 10 man makes a big one.
    On the other hand, it is much easier to find 10 great players than 25. And these 10 Paragon players are making a Dream team...
    25man has way more possibilities/opportunities to make mistakes.
    I always found 10man more easy since coordination is so easy and mechanics are less complex. I found 25 more easy during majority of T11. In T12 I found 25 harder. In T13, it was different, both difficulties had their easy and hard fights. And fights with mechanics like seeds at rag or defile, always are harder on 25 since there are 15ppl extra that can cause the raid to wipe. Fight with 1 person makes a mistake -> wipe always are harder in 25. But ye if the mistakes don't lead to a wipe, then 25 is easier.

    But anyway, we still have to see 25man world first, I think it are 2 different leagues.

    Gratz to Paragon for their 10man world first.

    And blizz did again a poor job on class balance when i look at the comp. Srsly nerf multidotting
  1. Nimitzles's Avatar
    Now lets see them do that with 4 shamans in the grp.

    Anyways they were the best at 25 man (Would of cleared DS 1st if it wasn't for the LFR exploit ban) and have been since ICC. Now they the best at 10man and have been since ICC

    LK10 hc, Ragnaros HC they also had world 1st 10man kills.
  1. zeul's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormodes View Post
    4 druids, what a surprise
    Quote Originally Posted by Nimitzles View Post
    Now lets see them do that with 4 shamans in the grp.
    Except there isn't 4 druids on the kill, if you look at the screenshot, one of the balance druids is playing a rogue. There's a guardian druid, a balance druid and a resto druid, one of each.

    STOP TRYING TO MAKE BLIZZARD NERF ME! BUFF FERAL DPS!
  1. Freia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zeul View Post
    Except there isn't 4 druids on the kill, if you look at the screenshot, one of the balance druids is playing a rogue. There's a guardian druid, a balance druid and a resto druid, one of each.

    STOP TRYING TO MAKE BLIZZARD NERF ME! BUFF FERAL DPS!
    No, that is a druid using the item that drops from Scholomance,

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=88566
  1. mmaker's Avatar
    stack more of the same classes please
  1. Darkblazer's Avatar
    Well...
    10-man having an average of 10+ ilvl from most of the 25-man and aswell from the other 10-man?
    Nah.... Did 25-man..Got boosted <gear> and qq .
    No fair play at all.
  1. Trinora's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hb View Post
    ignorance is a bitch isn't it - they stepped down from 25man cuz they couldn't find ppl for 25man
    It's harder to find people for 25man obviously, but that doesn't say anything which of the 2 is actually harder to do.
    At that level of play i am sure it's both very hard.
    For the less hardcore, the 10 man is less forgiving in general.
  1. Binki's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkblazer View Post
    Well...
    10-man having an average of 10+ ilvl from most of the 25-man and aswell from the other 10-man?
    Nah.... Did 25-man..Got boosted <gear> and qq .
    No fair play at all.
    Of course 25 man guilds didn't do something like that ether. They didn't clear first few bosses twice on launch day because instances were reset after realm was up. And of course they ran only one raid full of their mains instead of running several raids to get max gear for their mains. Right?

    Don't be silly. All top guilds made everything possible to get best possible gear for their main team.
  1. Espe's Avatar
    For the people debating whether or not this is a world first, just going to leave this little tidbit here from the wow devs:

    In 25s you can afford to have a few deaths and you can even pull if you're backfilling a few players. Both really make you stop in your tracks on 10s. In 25, it's easier to fade back into the group if you're still not 100% confident in what you're doing. In 10s, it's harder to be a wallflower.
    Grats DREAM Paragon for tackling the newest content in the hardest mode (10 man.) I look forward to more world firsts from you!
  1. Pancaspe's Avatar
    I am confused.

    Is it a 10 man kill, or a World First? It can't be both.
  1. vizzle's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pancaspe View Post
    I am confused.

    Is it a 10 man kill, or a World First? It can't be both.
    It's the World First 10man kill. How do you not understand that? There are two sizes, 25man and 10man, and this was the world first 10man.
  1. Glerimos's Avatar
    Congratulations DREAM Paragon! You are my favorite World of Warcraft guild in EU.
  1. Rekthar91's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    It's the World First 10man kill. How do you not understand that? There are two sizes, 25man and 10man, and this was the world first 10man.
    It was the World first kill.
  1. felhunter's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by droopy219 View Post
    10 man's are Hard
    these comments make me laugh, considering all the other 10mans are far behind them and the leading 25mans. but you know what they say: ignorance makes bliss (or something like :P )
  1. Aaldarius's Avatar
    Congrats, DREAM-Paragon!

    inc warlock nerfs, mage/monk/druid/ priest buffs

    Irregardless if they used two boomkins and this fight probably required multi-dot classes.

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