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Separate 10 and 25 Man Raid Lockout and Reward Changes in Korea

Update: The changes will also be tested in China.

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Separate 10 and 25 Man Raid Lockout and Reward Changes in Korea
Similar to the test of shorter raid lockouts for older content, Korea is testing separate raid lockouts for 10 and 25 man, as well as higher item level rewards in 25 man raids. The translation below was provided by PrairieChicken .
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
We received several feedbacks regarding raid instance lockouts and 10/25 rewards, and we appreciate your opinions and deep interests. We thought that Korean players wish to enjoy the most hardcore contents more flexibly and according to their play styles. Therefore, from the upcoming patch we decided to change the raid instance lockout rules for all KR servers. Raids, as usual, will be reset every 7 days following maintainance checks. However, after 5.1 patch 10 man and 25 man raids will have seperate lockouts.

From now on, players could play raid instances, such as Mogu-Shan Vaults, in both 10 man and 25 man difficulty. Normal and Heroic difficulty raid of same instance will share same lockout as usual. Furthermore, the loots of 25 man raids has been buffed, and will offer higher iLV compared to same 10 man instance. For example, Terrace of the Endless Spring in 25 man difficulty will drop loots with iLV of 504, wile 10 man will drop 496.

We wish that players will further enjoy the contents and gain satisfactory rewards, and decided to offer the system that suits most well with the KR players.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Korean 10 and 25 Man Raid Lockout and Reward Changes started by chaud View original post
Published on 2012-10-25 04:23 PM
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  1. Trollfaced's Avatar
    As I've said in earlier threads on this:

    Separate lockouts - Fine.

    Better loot for 25s - Not okay and doesnt make any sense at all.
  1. Matchu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Yeah I heard all the people crying in Wotlk that there was a lot of content, oh wait, your argument is invalid.
    Except now there is a lot of content. With Terrace and HoF out, that'd be 6 raids in one week.
  1. Galeos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Trollfaced View Post
    As I've said in earlier threads on this:

    Separate lockouts - Fine.

    Better loot for 25s - Not okay and doesnt make any sense at all.
    Why not? please explain.
  1. NormySan's Avatar
    This is stupid. Keep it as it is instead.
  1. muwatallis's Avatar
    Bring this to Europe and make my day.
  1. 6ev4enko's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Killmaim Deathbringer View Post
    If 10 mans are just "Bigger instances" then what the hell is Raid Finder?
    Lol at your comment. Raid Finder gives shitter loot than 10 man, doesnt it? LFR was done so that bad raiders see the content and experience it, also to show what bosses can do in the encounters etc.
  1. Taftvalue's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Trollfaced View Post
    As I've said in earlier threads on this:

    Separate lockouts - Fine.

    Better loot for 25s - Not okay and doesnt make any sense at all.
    Yeah sure, raiding 10 men is not even half the effort, so it's absolutely fine that you get rewarded the same loot for not even half the effort. You sir or madam have a nice logic.
  1. Takamuri's Avatar
    Really mixed feelings about this if it comes to the US...

    I was part of a top 25 guild for several years, and this is a really hard thing to balance. It really depends on the total number of bosses per tier...

    During ICC progression I was getting burned out, having to do a 10 and 25 man to stay competitive. During farm it wasn't so bad, it gave extra content to do with friends in the guild.
  1. Korbany's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lannen View Post
    I would really enjoy having 10 and 25 back to the way they were on US servers. To those saying it "screws 10man guilds" or something along those lines, your argument makes no sense. Essentially you're saying that you want to put in less time, less effort, and reap the same rewards as people organizing and participating in 25man raids. That's absolutely not fair to the people who would rather do 25man...if you don't have the time or the guild to do the hardest content, you don't deserve the best gear, it really is that simple regardless of what anybody tries to claim. And to further expand - if you are only doing 10man raids, why do you NEED 25man level gear? The answer is you don't, so who cares if your 10man drops weaker gear than a 25man.
    One of Blizzard's given reasons for LFR being 25 man instead of 10 man, is because 25 man raids are more forgiving of mistakes, lack of coordination and poor player performance than 10 man raids. This of course also applies to normal and heroic difficulty raids.

    The simple truth is that 25 man raids are, for the most part, easier than 10 man raids and as such should offer loot of a lower item level than 10 man raids.

    And to further expand - if you are only doing 25 man raids, why do you NEED better than 10 man level gear? The answer is you don't, so who cares if your 25 man drops weaker gear than a 10 man.
  1. Darkblazer's Avatar
    Give me this and take my money
  1. Rivyr's Avatar
    This should not be a korea only thing. there are alot of players in the US that are competative raiders and enjoy doing multiple raids. The US and EU realms should not be left out of this. If people dont want to raid multiple nights during the week then they dont have to, we should not be excluded due to casuals prefference.
  1. martinboy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chloral View Post
    For those of you wondering why only korean server, it's pretty simple: they pay per hours of play not months.

    That means that they only pay for their raid times and then stay unsub the rest of the time.
    Please bring that pay plan to EU also.
  1. Inrehab's Avatar
    I would welcome this change, but honestly I give it a max 10% chance of ever hitting US/EU realms
  1. zeq's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Heltoray View Post
    the very second 10-man rewards are worse than 25-man rewards again I will quit. And I don't think I'm alone with that.
    Bye. Horrible reason to quit.
  1. Huntingbear_grimbatol's Avatar
    Have my doubts this will go to EU or US without a shitstorm of QQ from 10man raiders...
  1. Gumf's Avatar
    I really hope, that we will get this in EU too!
  1. Matchu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Yeah sure, raiding 10 men is not even half the effort, so it's absolutely fine that you get rewarded the same loot for not even half the effort. You sir or madam have a nice logic.
    An argument that emphasises that the difficulty in 25 man raiding is not the raid, but getting 25 people to raid.
  1. Fahrenheit's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    Yeah sure, raiding 10 men is not even half the effort, so it's absolutely fine that you get rewarded the same loot for not even half the effort. You sir or madam have a nice logic.
    The only people who put in any additional effort in 25m over 10m are the recruitment officers. As a raider of both, it's the same. You show up, press some buttons, kills some interent dragons and collect purple stuff.
  1. treepwood728's Avatar
    I see this maybe happenning in China as well. Remember in Korea and China the games are free you download and you pay to play. However their pay to play is different. They pay to play by time not a flat fee.
  1. DetectiveJohnKimble's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrenheit View Post
    The only people who put in any additional effort in 25m over 10m are the recruitment officers. As a raider of both, it's the same. You show up, press some buttons, kills some interent dragons and collect purple stuff.
    Or, you show up, sit around for awhile for people to log on because you can't recruit enough for 25s, and then wonder why you shouldn't jump ship to 10s like everyone else.

    If this is brought to NA/EU, it'll bring back some of the people that 10s have sucked away from 25s in Cata.
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