Separate 10 and 25 Man Raid Lockout and Reward Changes in Korea

im pretty sure i heard them say they were gonna test some stuff live in different regions for well... testing purposes

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Originally Posted by finbarr

To all those people that complained that Blizz wasn't forcing people to do 25 man raids if they didn't want to, I hate you.

Except that the Nation of 10-Man Raiding has been echoing that "no one is forcing you" motto to 25-man raiders for years. Swallow the same pill.

Originally Posted by tehdef

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Fair enough, give it more gear for 25s. Just don't revert back to WotLK ilvl disparity after spending 2 years killing 25s for the sake of equality.

Play what you want because you enjoy it, not because you want better rewards. It is a complete fact that 25's are harder to manage logistically, and they should be rewarded for that fact. Sadly, 10 man guilds are more agile and eating realm firsts, which is also a fact. These 2 piece are causing the collapse of 25 man guilds because they can get the same reward for less effort.

-Losing one player is 10% of your raid in 10 man, and is often unrecoverable if they cannot be revived. This is NOT an issue in 25 man, and you often see progression kills done with 1-2 players down. 1 player in 25 is only 2.5% of your raid, and as long as its not the tank, you're probably okay. An acceptable loss if you will.

1/25 = 4/100 = 0.04 = 4% = Not 2.5%

You have a pretty condescending tone and I thought it would be more useful if you took time with your arguments instead of LOLing at other people's logic when I can just as easily attack your math skills. It's not productive and certainly won't influence anyone else's opinion.

Originally Posted by newpower

it wont go to EU and US mate koreans having 2 resets per week on their raids since 1 year alrdy ...(also that was the reason they beated rest guilds on world 1st race in cata) tnx to blizz ....

No it was Firelands only

NOOO just no .........

Alot of people may think it will bring back 25 man guild, but some server barely get 10 man gets together ....
Tbh this is going back to icc ..... just talking bout the Ilvl change here ofc!!!

The change back to seperate lock outs for 10 and 25 man I LIKE .... the change that u need to raid 25 man again for the better gear is just ..... no =/

Originally Posted by tehdef

Yeah. Get pooped on bro.

You are counting your chickens before they're hatched; if Blizzard were planning to implement this change into EU/US realms in the near future, we would know.

The commercial pressures between KR and EU/US realms are completely different. By implementing this change into KR they can make more money (more time played = more money). Implementing this change into EU/US has no certain benefit - it's more likely to lead to a net subscription loss than gain subscribers. The damage caused by Cataclysm has already been done, reverting that change will only make things worse.

Unsure why I'm bothering to reply someone whose argument relies upon 'Get pooped on bro'.

I will resub if this happens on EU realms

Originally Posted by Kinkiey

NOOO just no .........

Alot of people may think it will bring back 25 man guild, but some server barely get 10 man gets together ....
Tbh this is going back to icc ..... just talking bout the Ilvl change here ofc!!!

The change back to seperate lock outs for 10 and 25 man I LIKE .... the change that u need to raid 25 man again for the better gear is just ..... no =/

So right now every 10-man raider...is Quiting that because of gear....
So they do 10-man because of gear?

I'm sorry, but I'm definitely against the whole iLevel difference. If you want to give 25s even more gear that's fine. I don't mind the concept that I, as a 10m raider, can reach the same gear as everyone else but it just takes me longer.

What does piss me off is the idea that because you're a 25m guild that your time is more valuable than my time. We are defeating the same content, and spending the same amount of time doing it (minor 10m/25m difficulty difference tweaks aside). LFR is considerably easier and thus they have lesser reward. 10m/25m are close enough and it's the same time spent. I'm sorry that it's taking the 25s a little more time to clear the content, but gear changes affect everybody. Realm firsts only affect a few QQers.

Oh joy, 25 man will be the prefered way of playing to get the top gear again. 10 mans get screwed over.

WOOHOO! Bring this to EU/NA! GO GO GO! The game will be great again!

---------- Post added 2012-10-25 at 01:02 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Darkblazer

So right now every 10-man raider...is Quiting that because of gear....
So they do 10-man because of gear?

I really hope they push this on our realms soon.

Did you know about Korea until today? Your argument has a ton of holes right off the bat. They have CLEARLY stated within the last 2 months as evidence of my quotes that they plan to make changes, and this is the start of them. They are using the Koreans as a testbed because they are a good case study for overactive gaming. If they find that not many people are running both, they will put it on US/EU servers, then split the realm firsts. I'm calling it now.

At the end of the day. This DOES NOT AFFECT YOU if you run 10's. At all. Period. There is nothing NEGATIVE about this. You're just concerned about the word iLvl, because you're unreasonable and think your 10 man effort should be the same as a 25 man. I've been in a 10 man heroic and a 25 man heroic guild, and I can tell you there is a vast difference in the two, and I helped to organize both. Stop being selfish.

YES!!!! I hope this goes live on US servers!!!!

Originally Posted by Dorac

Being a GM/Officer in a 25 man raiding guild just takes so much more work, time and coordination. 10 man is alot more relaxing and stress free to run. I've been a GM for both and it's true. I guess this is blizzards way of giving a slightly better reward to those who put in more time, work and effort, which I agree with. The ilevel difference will only be 8 between the 2 difficulty's. In ICC, there was a 13 ilevel difference (251 in 10s to 264 in 25s) So IMO, it seems fair for those who put in the extra effort/time and work.

as long as 25s are all tuned harder than 10 man then im fine with the change which means all 10 mans bosses should be easier than 25

Before: People clamoring for both lockouts.

After: why do i have to run both modes each week, blizz?

I really don't see the point in having to "incentivise" 25man raiding, if people aren't doing 25mans for whatever reason, good they don't have to do it, I personally enjoy 25man, so I raid 25man.

All this QQ about 10s and 25s is ridiculous, just play the raid size that you enjoy most and stop caring what other people who affect you in no way do.

Bring back 10 + 25 mans to US realms as well, thanks.