Patch 5.1 - New Faction Rewards, Blue Posts, Popular Guild Names, Weekly Roundup

Updated Undocumented 1.0.5 Patch Notes, Monk 1.0.5 Budget Guide, Stay Awhile And Listen Author Interview, Diablo 3 Wallpaper

Patch 5.1 - New Faction Rewards
Patch 5.1 will add two new factions, the Dominance Offensive and Operation: Shieldwall. These are the factions that are landing on the beach in Kasarang Wilds. Reputation for your faction is earned by completing the storyline quests and then doing daily quests afterwards.

Operation: Shieldwall
Dominance Offensive

Level	Type	Spec	Slot	Name	Required Rep
80	Mount			Grand Armored Gryphon	Exalted
1	Other			Grand Commendation of Operation: Shieldwall	Revered
496	Trinket	Spell DPS	Trinket	Shock-Charger Medallion	Revered
496	Trinket	Tank	Trinket	Vaporshield Medallion	Revered
496	Trinket	Melee	Trinket	Helmbreaker Medallion	Revered
496	Trinket	Physical DPS	Trinket	Arrowflight Medallion	Revered
496	Trinket	Spell Spirit	Trinket	Heartwarmer Medallion	Revered
496	Finger	Tank	Finger	Seal of the Shieldwall	Honored
496	Finger	Melee	Finger	Circle of the Shieldwall	Honored
496	Finger	Spell Spirit	Finger	Loop of the Shieldwall	Honored
496	Finger	Physical DPS	Finger	Signet of the Shieldwall	Honored
496	Finger	Spell DPS	Finger	Band of the Shieldwall	Honored

Level	Type	Spec	Slot	Name	Required Rep
80	Mount			Grand Armored Wyvern	Exalted
1	Other			Grand Commendation of the Dominance Offensive	Revered
496	Trinket		Trinket	Static-Caster's Medallion	Revered
496	Trinket	Tank	Trinket	Medallion of Mystifying Vapors	Revered
496	Trinket	Melee	Trinket	Skullrender Medallion	Revered
496	Trinket	Physical DPS	Trinket	Woundripper Medallion	Revered
496	Trinket	Spell DPS	Trinket	Cutstitcher Medallion	Revered
496	Finger	Tank	Finger	Dominator's Seal	Honored
496	Finger	Melee	Finger	Dominator's Circle	Honored
496	Finger	Spell Spirit	Finger	Dominator's Loop	Honored
496	Finger	Physical DPS	Finger	Dominator's Signet	Honored
496	Finger	Spell DPS	Finger	Dominator's Band	Honored

Patch 5.1 - New Klaxxi and August Celestial Rewards
Another set of items that appeared in Patch 5.1 are these new item level 496 belts and shoes. They are currently assigned to The Klaxxi and The August Celestials, but keep in mind this is the test realm and things can change.

There are two almost identical versions of each item with race restrictions, making it possible they should be assigned to the Dominance Offensive and Operation: Shieldwall.

The Klaxxi
The August Celestials

Level	Type	Spec	Slot	Name	Required Rep
496	Cloth	Spell Spirit	Waist	Sash of Surehandedness	Revered
496	Cloth	Spell Spirit	Waist	Sash of Bouncing Power	Revered
496	Cloth	Spell DPS	Waist	Bon-iy's Unbreakable Cord	Revered
496	Cloth	Spell DPS	Waist	Chang's Changing Cord	Revered
496	Leather	Spell Spirit	Waist	Bambrick's Striking Strap	Revered
496	Leather	Spell Spirit	Waist	Soothing Straps	Revered
496	Leather	Physical DPS	Waist	Prevenge's Swashbuckling Cinch	Revered
496	Leather	Physical DPS	Waist	Prevenge's Dagger-Carrier	Revered
496	Mail	Physical DPS	Waist	Shigi's Chain of Cheerful Summons	Revered
496	Mail	Physical DPS	Waist	Chain of Flaming Arrows	Revered
496	Mail	Spell DPS	Waist	Bloodbinder Links	Revered
496	Mail	Spell DPS	Waist	Links of Bonded Blood	Revered
496	Plate	Tank	Waist	Waistplate of Immobility	Revered
496	Plate	Tank	Waist	Immovable Waistplate	Revered
496	Plate	Melee	Waist	Kwon's Crushing Girdle	Revered
496	Plate	Melee	Waist	Girdle of Crushing Strength	Revered
496	Plate	Spell DPS	Waist	Divide's Greatheart Clasp	Revered
496	Plate	Spell DPS	Waist	Divide's Loyal Clasp	Revered

Level	Type	Spec	Slot	Name	Required Rep
496	Cloth	Spell Spirit	Feet	Shieldwarden Slippers	Revered
496	Cloth	Spell Spirit	Feet	Slippers of Soothing Balm	Revered
496	Cloth	Spell DPS	Feet	Sandals of Oiled Silk	Revered
496	Cloth	Spell DPS	Feet	Beach-Born Sandals	Revered
496	Leather	Physical DPS	Feet	Crab-Leather Tabi	Revered
496	Leather	Physical DPS	Feet	Troll-Toe Tabi	Revered
496	Leather	Spell DPS	Feet	Statue Summoner's Treads	Revered
496	Leather	Spell DPS	Feet	Treads of Rejuvenating Mists	Revered
496	Mail	Spell Spirit	Feet	Boots of the Healing Stream	Revered
496	Mail	Spell Spirit	Feet	Totem-Binder Boots	Revered
496	Mail	Physical DPS	Feet	Odlaw's Everwalkers	Revered
496	Mail	Physical DPS	Feet	Greaves of Manifest Destiny	Revered
496	Plate	Tank	Feet	Sabatons of the Sullied Shore	Revered
496	Plate	Tank	Feet	Groundbreaker Sabatons	Revered
496	Plate	Melee	Feet	Sea-Soaked Sollerets	Revered
496	Plate	Melee	Feet	Cragchewer Sollerets	Revered
496	Plate	Spell Spirit	Feet	Scar Swallower Greatboots	Revered
496	Plate	Spell Spirit	Feet	Greatboots of Flashing Light	Revered

Blue Posts

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

LFR Rewards Visibility
Even if I don't get anything, I want to see what other's get. Not just NOTHING and some gold. I want the slight drama of who gets the high roll, etc.
What would that change other than creating drama as you mentioned? (and the kind of drama that doesn't really add anything to the community, I believe).

Under the new loot system, since you're not affected by what others get (your chance of getting a drop lies strictly on what your roll is against the system, no matter how many items might have been distributed already), there's no big loss to see if others were rewarded (besides mere curiosity and the potential of people starting to argue that this one player undeservedly got an item because of X). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Bonus Reputation for Alt Characters
As a matter of fact, now seems like a good time to follow-up with everyone with the latest information.

In my original message, reaching Revered with any particular faction on Pandaria would have triggered double reputation for all characters on the Battle.net account with that same faction. After testing this internally, we felt the "trigger" wasn't obvious enough so we decided to create an item that players can purchase which, when used, grants the user's account with the bonus.

The changes to reputation gains are intended for Patch 5.1, but please do keep in mind that the patch is still in development. If there are any further changes, we'll let you know. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Forced to do LFR
After 2 weeks of raiding, we haven't killed the Stone Guards yet. This is not a problem in tanking position, low dps or bad healing. Its a gear only problem.
Stone Guards is mostly a coordination check between your tanks, the folks with Jasper Chains, and not much else. Certainly is not a DPS check (that would be, for some guilds, Gara'jal the Spiritbinder).

If you don't LFR (or you are a pro), you fail. So in certain mode, you are forcing us to get gear first from LFR and then go to normal mode to succeed.
Many players (not saying it's your case, of course) believe that they are on par with the skill level of players further ahead than them, and that the only thing separating them from players with more progression is just gear. More often than not, the issue lies on the skill side, either your group is not really making the most of their dps rotations, cooldown usage is not being proper, etcetera, or it may very well be that your group is still undergeared for that fight (as long as everyone is decked in blue heroic gear, you'll be fine).

I think the problem is LFR is extremely easy and normal mode is a bit overtunned. Normal is a step above where it should be if you want an easy transition. That way probably, you shouldn't be forced to gear up in LFR and let it only for casuals who doesn't raid normal modes.
You're not supposed to transition from LFR to Normal. You're supposed to start on Normal (in fact, LFR opens a week after the normal mode of the raid has). So, if you want to get every possible drop to advance in your progression, yes, sure, you'll want to raid the LFR if you're not doing Heroics, but there're more areas than just gear where all raid groups should be looking at when having issues with a certain encounter. Most of the times, unless it's a dps race, it comes down to something else (bad strategy, for example).

There it is folks. Plain and simple. Blizzard will keep forcing Real raiders with the scrubs... i mean "casuals" so they dont wipe 4 hours on the first boss.
As he clearly said, there're benefits to having experienced raiders queuing up on LFR (shorter wait times, higher success rates, etc), and there's usually some benefit for level 90 players in there. Which still means you can skip it altogether if you're raiding Heroic (and that'll be particularly true moving forward since LFR gear from the following tier will have a lower ilvl than current Heroic gear).

But you still ran it for a chance to upgrade some slot and valor, correct? I won 2 lfr items last week and i replaced them in a matter of days, but i still ran it 3 times. The thing is a lot of us dont want to run it AT ALL.
Then don't. It's obvious that you are well beyond the skill level of any player posting here and that you'd rather not play with "mouthbreathers", as you so elegantly and politely put it in your previous post. So, by all means, open Vent, repeatedly tell your guildmates how awesome and uber skilled you are and run with them Normal and Heroic raids, but the attitude you display towards players running the Raid Finder is completely unacceptable and needs to go.

Blizzard is hiding from the fact that there are blockages in current Normal raiding progress. Every boss is tuned for maximum buffs and if you are missing one you will require extra item lvl to make up for it. And that is hard when you only have like 4 raid bosses to work with like is with Elegon. It is an overtuned fight atm for its gear lvl if you dont have all the buffs and the best way to beat that fight is to go LFR and get the 476 weapons on boss AFTER Elegon. The chance of getting 476 weapons in HCs is way to low and you can go for months and months and never get them.

I dare any person to go to World of logs and compare the bosses in Vaults. The success raid for Elegon is under 5% for 10 mans while beeing well over 10-15% for all other bosses - even the last one. That should be very obvious that its overtuned - and the best way to beat him is to get items from 6 bosses in LFR rather than wait once every week for the 4 bosses in normal.
Elegon is a very complex fight. There're many things to be aware of, experiment with and so on. But once you master them all, he goes down relatively quickly. It just takes time to adapt to all the mechanics that encounter has. Don't give up!

Having said that, the current buff system should allow most 10 player groups to get all the buffs (at least the important ones) as long as the composition isn't terribly strange. If that's not the case, I'd say please point it out and we'll let the developers know about. It might be that it is indeed an oversight or that in fact they don't expect raid groups to necessarily have that particular buff.

The thing you ask and pressure: It is not MANDATORY in order to beat the encounters, no. But, as I stated above, why on earth would you make it just so much complicated to you by not running those things and making it harder for the 24 or 9 other people who you run the raids with? That's just selfish and piss poor excuse for one who wants to complete all HC encounters, or even people who just want to clear normal and are in more "casual" environment.
If you are pursuing realm firsts or world firsts. I definitely understand you might feel you need to hit LFR for every possible gear upgrade to those 463 blues you're missing. But that's a playstyle choice. If you're playing at your own leisure and not too bothered by the competition, you don't need to hit LFR at all. The jump from 463 to 476 for a couple items is minimal. Of course, if you expect to be stuck on this one boss forever, you should definitely go and visit LFR. The fact is, under normal circumpstances, it's unlikely your guild will get stuck for any noticeable period of time if what you're aiming in fact is to clear Heroic modes.

If you're a newly formed guild that needs LFR, then I'd say more power to you, because that's a setting where the room for error is big enough that you can just focus on improving your coordination without fear or meeting enrage timers or wiping because someone still getting the hang of things.

You choose how to play the game. From a tuning point of view, the content isn't tuned accounting for LFR gear in every possible slot.

It's pretty much mandatory if you're doing heroic content.
That will be true only for so long. Heroic Mogu'shan Vaults gear is higher ilvl (502) than that of Normal Heart of Fear and Terrace of Endless Spring (496), and well above the Raid Finder of those two raids (483).

But in all reality, let's put things into perspective in that regard, anyways. Let's assume that you do take all your 25 raid members to the Raid Finder in order to clear it. And that you are a Heroic raiding guild at the top of progression. How long does that really take? A guild of a friend of mine, still scratching Heroic raiding, can clear the two halves in something like 40 minutes. So, I'd go and argue that a Heroic-level guild could clear the whole place in 30? minutes.

What else could you do in that time? You could do dailies for a particular faction, surely. You could harvest materials for your profession or trade. Or play some pet battles. Thirty minutes. Unless you raid for thirty minutes as well every week, that doesn't sound as a massive time investment to me. So, is it really as demanding as some of you seem to pretend to imply?

Some of us want to put in effort in order to kill bosses. we're not gonna let outselves slack behind on gear, when there's some easyly attainable for almost no effort. asking us not to do LFR if we dont want to do it, would be like telling us not to gem or enchant or gear.

we're not gonna let outselves slack behind on gear, when there's some easyly attainable for almost no effort.
And you wrote that back to back. The thing is, you are not forced to do it. Neither dailies for that matter. Dailies can be already considered obsolete gear wise because you can already get item level 496 gear from Heart of Fear.

It's a conscious choice you're making. You'd rather go through the LFR and pick that gear than wait until you get the appropriate drop from the normal/Heroic raid. That's alright, but it's your choice.

It's not a "choice". It is Mandatory. You have to do it if you want to be competative even if you are not in a realm first guild.
Please, by all means, define competitive. What is competitive when you're not pursuing a realm first that actually warrants running Raid Finder on every single reset? Because frankly, I can't see it. And it might be a perfect valid point. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Daily Random Dungeons
During cataclysm the dungeon system was changed to allow players to queue for dungeons/heroics, so that the first seven times we cleared it we got the extra rewards. Allowing players that don’t have enough time to log on each day to queue and knock them all out over a weekend etc. Why was this removed in MoP?
You now get Valor with every run, with a bonus for the first of the day. It's similar to the rested XP bonus while leveling up. We wanted a better catch up mechanism. More folks did dungeons/heroics when we had one a day than seven a week. The latter felt too much like a job. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Guildox - Popular Guild Names
Guildox went through their entire database to come up with the most popular guild names!

Curse Weekly Roundup
Pico and the team are back with the Weekly Roundup. It has some Battle.net, LoL, MechWarrior Online, and Minecraft news, along with the weekly Game Forecast!

_{This article was originally published in forum thread:

Patch 5.1 - New Faction Rewards, Blue Posts, Popular Guild Names, Weekly Roundup
started by
chaud} _{View original post}

Published on 2012-11-04 09:00 PM

97 Comments

roflpot - 2012-11-05

Blizzard really are clueless sometimes aren't they?

I quit raiding because I don't want to do shit I don't enjoy just to raid. If I want to raid with my current guild (clears all content but not top 10 on the server) I _HAVE_ to do dailies, LFR etc or other people will bitch and moan at me. It's not a personal choice to do it or not, you'll make the rest of your raid that did do it angry with you for not pulling your weight. Why are blizzard so utterly unable to see this?

Quitting raiding is just the best thing for me atm or potentially spend months finding another guild with people I like. Bearing in mind I've been with this guild since MC in vanilla so leaving isn't exactly a viable option.
- Reply

Gruffertus - 2012-11-05

Originally Posted by roflpot

Quitting raiding is just the best thing for me atm or potentially spend months finding another guild with people I like.

I think finding a guild with people you like will have a lot of other benefits, to be honest.
- Reply

palaftw - 2012-11-05

Spell dps trinket compared to others trinkets except tank one is a shit. Bring it 1k int and haste on use instead haste and int on use...
- Reply

Ceresc - 2012-11-05

Originally Posted by Farabee

Re: The blue arguing about LFR, do they even play the game they created? How do they not realize that every last bit of ilvl upgrade makes bosses that much easier to kill?

Originally Posted by ABog

Many players (not saying it's your case, of course) believe that they are on par with the skill level of players further ahead than them, and that the only thing separating them from players with more progression is just gear. More often than not, the issue lies on the skill side, either your group is not really making the most of their dps rotations, cooldown usage is not being proper, etcetera, or it may very well be that your group is still undergeared for that fight (as long as everyone is decked in blue heroic gear, you'll be fine).

This made my weekend.

It's obvious that the better gear you have, the easier the boss will be to kill. What the blue is stating is that, you don't NEED LFR loot to down a boss. The first time I downed SG I was still wearing greens and I was pulling 45k hps. I just finished Elegon and WoE last night (we are by no means a HC raiding guild) and I'm still wearing 458 pvp gloves.
If you want the boss to go down easier, you put in the extra effort to get the upgrades you can. If you are okay with a challenge, then work with what you have. Not everything is supposed to be handed out, some rewards actually require effort.
- Reply

Aeluron Lightsong - 2012-11-05

It's not that Blizzard is clueless, it's just that people don't know what they want.
- Reply

Zechs-cenarius - 2012-11-05

I laughed at the fact they consider daily quest grinding "optional". Please do tell me where the hell I can spend my valor points if I dont have the rep from the stupid dailies.
- Reply

Paleran - 2012-11-05

Originally Posted by Aeluron

It's not that Blizzard is clueless, it's just that people don't know what they want.

People know exactly what they want - the best gear with the minimal amount of effort to get it.

What people don't know is their self serving attitude of entitlement goes both ways - you don't NEED the gear from LFR or dailies to succeed. You will have an EASIER time getting through content if you do them which directly equates to overcoming a lack of skill on the part of yourself or others in your group.

All the people pissing and moaning about HAVING to do LFR or dailies need to be a bit more introspective and ask themselves why the feel they NEED the gear. Then they need to realize that if you need every edge you can get to beat the current content, maybe you should be THANKFUL that these outlets exist for a chance at better gear. Imagine being forced to do Heroic MSV with just normal mode MSV drops? Sure, there's some that would love that opportunity that aren't in a world top 25 guild, but there's lots of us who would rather have different ways of gearing up than just bashing our heads against a boss because the healer can't learn to stay out of the fire.

---------- Post added 2012-11-05 at 06:25 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Zechs-cenarius

I laughed at the fact they consider daily quest grinding "optional". Please do tell me where the hell I can spend my valor points if I dont have the rep from the stupid dailies.

5.1 adds the ability to upgrade gear:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...sts-MMO-Report
- Reply

Zechs-cenarius - 2012-11-05

Originally Posted by Paleran

People know exactly what they want - the best gear with the minimal amount of effort to get it.

What people don't know is their self serving attitude of entitlement goes both ways - you don't NEED the gear from LFR or dailies to succeed. You will have an EASIER time getting through content if you do them which directly equates to overcoming a lack of skill on the part of yourself or others in your group.

All the people pissing and moaning about HAVING to do LFR or dailies need to be a bit more introspective and ask themselves why the feel they NEED the gear. Then they need to realize that if you need every edge you can get to beat the current content, maybe you should be THANKFUL that these outlets exist for a chance at better gear. Imagine being forced to do Heroic MSV with just normal mode MSV drops? Sure, there's some that would love that opportunity that aren't in a world top 25 guild, but there's lots of us who would rather have different ways of gearing up than just bashing our heads against a boss because the healer can't learn to stay out of the fire.

---------- Post added 2012-11-05 at 06:25 PM ----------

5.1 adds the ability to upgrade gear:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...sts-MMO-Report

Does not change the fact it is happening now. We have no ETA on 5.1 for as we all know it can come out long after the items are no longer "current content". Another oversight that makes me feel that blizzard has a team of 10 people and they throw all their ideas into a hat and choose one from the pile.
- Reply

Royalite - 2012-11-05

Just seems like people are to used to 35% dmg buff that was in DS and expect things to roll over by ignoring the majority of mechanics and out gearing content.

I have been raiding in dungeon blues and the majority of problem raiding with PUGs is the raid not paying attention to mechanics. I bet the majority of raiders don't even understand the overload and petrification from Stone Gaurds. As a healer I see so many raiders in normals just standing in ice traps and pools and then thinking I'm bad when I oom half way through the fight. If they didn't take so much avoidable dmg, it would be a different story. Skill is huge but so many are forgetting that after a year of outgearing.
- Reply

Granyala - 2012-11-05

Just seems like people are to used to 35% dmg buff that was in DS and expect things to roll over by ignoring the majority of mechanics and out gearing content.

QFT.

Seriously, Normal DS was way too easy even w/o buff.
- Reply

Appletini - 2012-11-05

I don't get the LFR complaints from Normal/Heroic raiders. A Normal/Heroic raid group (even a 10-man) could queue LFR together and bang it out in under two hours. If it's worth doing, they'd do it. It would be a walk in the park. So the complaint seems to be that they don't want to spend the extra 1-2 hours farming LFR. Sorry if I don't cry a river for them. I guess I come from an age where you had to run entire old raids every week rather than just an hour or two in LFR.
- Reply

Magemaer - 2012-11-05

"After 2 weeks of raiding, we haven't killed the Stone Guards yet. This is not a problem in tanking position, low dps or bad healing. Its a gear only problem."

lol.
Obviously not skill related. Obviously.
- Reply

dfjdejulio - 2012-11-05

Originally Posted by Gruffertus

I think finding a guild with people you like will have a lot of other benefits, to be honest.

Perhaps so! But for some of us, those benefits are unlikely to ever come close to the costs involved.
- Reply

nekobaka - 2012-11-06

Originally Posted by Paleran

People know exactly what they want - the best gear with the minimal amount of effort to get it.

What people don't know is their self serving attitude of entitlement goes both ways - you don't NEED the gear from LFR or dailies to succeed. You will have an EASIER time getting through content if you do them which directly equates to overcoming a lack of skill on the part of yourself or others in your group.

Blizzard catered to this mentality by throwing gear rewards at players in Cata and then nerfing raids heavily and saying it is okay to not L2P, here is more gear and nerfs to help you overcome your unwillingness to not L2P. Now MoP comes out and the developers are telling players they suck and need to L2P and stop using gear to overcome skill issues, and they are going to cut back on the gear that was tossed at players who have less time on their hands to help them make content easier.

The players in Cata that told others it was an L2P issue and then got called hardcore elitists and told to sit in a corner by CMs. Now in MoP the CMs are saying the same things that those who got branded as "hard core elitists" except they are getting praised by the community.
- Reply

Ardolas - 2012-11-06

hm.. don't understand about "new" items, which added to Klaxxi and August Celestial
now we have feet on hit/crit from celestial, 489 ilvl - Void Flame Slippers
then in 5.1 we would get another feet on hit/crit from celestian, 496 ilvl - Beach-Born Sandals
those boots are same, but id would be another.. question => if i buy 489 now, it ups in 5.1 to 496, or not?)
- Reply

risingforce - 2012-11-06

Originally Posted by Ceresc

It's obvious that the better gear you have, the easier the boss will be to kill. What the blue is stating is that, you don't NEED LFR loot to down a boss. The first time I downed SG I was still wearing greens and I was pulling 45k hps. I just finished Elegon and WoE last night (we are by no means a HC raiding guild) and I'm still wearing 458 pvp gloves.
If you want the boss to go down easier, you put in the extra effort to get the upgrades you can. If you are okay with a challenge, then work with what you have. Not everything is supposed to be handed out, some rewards actually require effort.

To all of the LFR whiners: QFT !

Well said, Ceresc.
- Reply

StreakFreakZ - 2012-11-07

New to the board here.. Hope to get some nice discussions going!
- Reply

Recent Blue Posts

5.3 Chess Event (Karazhan)

big zokk torquewrench

5.3 Hotfixes: May 24

Crithto game

MPPM: Ji-Kun Hatchling

Major Payne’s Pet Menagerie: Ji-Kun Hatchling

5.3 Dev Interviews

Recent Forum Posts

Item Squish Please...500k dps is dumb

What now for destro?

Any other horde feel this way?

The DK Solo Thread 3.0

Chaos Bolt PvP 5.3

Ahoo'ru

Lightning Bolt Cast Time

Patch 5.1 - New Faction Rewards, Blue Posts, Popular Guild Names, Weekly Roundup

Message

Site Navigation