Patch 5.1 - New Faction Rewards, Blue Posts, Popular Guild Names, Weekly Roundup

So funny to read the "OMFG Blizz why do I have to raid LFR, I'm too hardcore for that and yet I still must do it to get gear" when 2 weeks ago (or something) the same "hardcores" were jumping from happiness when they read about separate lockouts between 10 and 25 man in Korea and wanted it in EU/US.

Originally Posted by Tedsterz

Wait.. People are complaining that you now have to actually work to get gear? an Expansion ago you complained it was to easy, and the expansion before that you did the same!

Last expansion players complained that they had to work for their gear and that it was a "chore" or a "job" and not fun. Blizzard bowed down and gave them what they wanted and now players are doing it again.

Originally Posted by nekobaka

Last expansion players complained that they had to work for their gear and that it was a "chore" or a "job" and not fun. Blizzard bowed down and gave them what they wanted and now players are doing it again.

It would seem blizzard can't win ^.^.

Hopefully they stick to their guns

i can't believe what i'm reading here ...
those people need to learn to play, or simply try harder to beat bosses, adjust their strategies, and be happy of their achievement.
maybe i'm too old school, but when i think about vael, and the time we spent on this boss, and how happy we where when we defeat him for the first time ... that was gaming !
And now ? bla bla we need to LFR to kill the boss the first day we met him !!
so sad ...

Originally Posted by nekobaka

Last expansion players complained that they had to work for their gear and that it was a "chore" or a "job" and not fun. Blizzard bowed down and gave them what they wanted and now players are doing it again.

Well it is real easy for them to boast while standing around the water cooler; posting on forums counts too.

Just shows how much tabards completely ruined how we percieve factions. No longer were they something you had to work for if you wanted to reach the higher reputations.
Factions went from being a personal undertaking with rewards to mandatory with say helm enchants in Cata, another reason they were so simple to grind.

Aye. Just remember Factions like Sporeggar and Furbolgs.

After 2 weeks of raiding, we haven't killed the Stone Guards yet. This is not a problem in tanking position, low dps or bad healing. Its a gear only problem.

Love it how some people are so well capable at ignoring reality. If ppl can't take down the easiest boss in the easiest raid instance in ~450 gear then it's their fault and not a gear issue. Just think about it: if all top 100 guilds downed that boss on the first week this instance was opened without LFR and probably with much less gear than people have today, then the difference is just skill. Given not everyone plays at world-100 level, but saying that the problem is only gear is just blatantly ignoring the fact that this specific guild just can't play well. But as long as you pretend to play at world-100 level and ignore all nay-sayers, you will never improve.

If ppl can't take down the easiest boss in the easiest raid instance in ~450 gear then it's their fault and not a gear issue.

Erm. no. Mogu'shan is tuned für Ilvl 463. If you wear Ilvl 450 and are an average player, you don't stand a chance.

Originally Posted by Granyala

Aye. Just remember Factions like Sporeggar and Furbolgs.

Was soo happy when I got my tiny sporebat from sporereggar and the tanking mace from the ehh was it cenarion circle? Now those 2 were a grind.

[item]29171[/item]?
http://www.wowhead.com/item=29171
Earthwarden

Yup that Was the Cenarion Expedition. Boy I squeaked in delight when they added the Hippogryph mounts. Still one of my favorite.

Originally Posted by Granyala

[item]29171[/item]?
http://www.wowhead.com/item=29171
Earthwarden

Yup that Was the Cenarion Expedition. Boy I squeaked in delight when they added the Hippogryph mounts. Still one of my favorite.

yeah Earthwarden, what a mace. Think you had to go all the way to Mount Hyjal to get a marginally better one.

IF <toon belongs to raid guild> AND <can be done individually> AND <provides upgrades> THEN <mandatory>

I am not talking about hardcore guilds either. Any of the mid-core guilds that make up the core population of every server expects the same: raid during raid times and on your off hours, pick up any odds and ends that boost your output.

LFR should be far enough behind regular and heroic raids that it is almost inconceivable that it would provide a raider with an upgrade. There is nothing wrong with letting everyone see all the content. But there is no reason in heck that the very casual players for whom LFR was designed cannot be a couple months, not couple weeks, behind.

Originally Posted by Celltrex

Except that the grinding is extremely similar. Nice to know that my point is proven: it's not that people want the old content back, that's just the nostalgia hiding behind of the fact that they are simply bored of WoW.

If you think MoP is anything like TBC, you never played TBC. With the exception of Quel'Danas, all the "grinds" in TBC for gear upgrades were dungeon grinds that you only got rep from heroic mode. People would log in and do a few heroics everyday for the one or two reps that offered upgrades and you were done. Pre2.4 the only faction that you had to actually do dailies for to unlock epic gear was Ogri'la and the itemlevel on those epics was so low, they were obsoleted by the heroic 5 man gear.

Taking away the Rep Tabards and pigeon holing rep grinds into daily only content was probably one of the stupidest things they've done in the last 6 years.

I really don't know what the big deal with LFR is.

I mean you have to pay a price to progress your character's gear and it is simply ONE of the options available. If you absolutely feel it is mandatory then que and if you don't feel it is mandatory then don't que. It is that simple. Sometimes to be bleeding edge for your level of play you have to do somethings beyond pure and simple bliss. Hard work is hard work after all and hard work isn't always enjoyable but it gets you paid and it moves you forward. Work hard enough and with some breaks you can stop working so hard and eventually NOT have to do LFR after a few weeks like clock work. Hell I am sure some people spend more time complaining about LFR then they spend time in LFR. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Not to mention it is a VERY short time sink for pretty high reward. I run both MV's in a maximum of an hour and a half and I would say usually more like 45 mins to an hour. I ALWAYS come out with more gold then I did before, I sometimes come out with a sha crystal that helps with my higher level weapon enchants, and sometimes I come out with a piece of gear that fills a hole in my current gear lay out. Over all that is a lotto that I win with every time. Sure it isn't always the mega millions but in the lotto if you make your money back every time you play then you should be pretty happy about it.

Just deal with the slot machine mentality of it. Putting a quarter into a machine and pulling a lever isn't compelling game play but Vega's still has thousands of square feet devoted to luck of the draw games that don't take speed, strength, intelligence, or skill. Simply doing. That is what LFR is. A thing you simply do and sometimes you get lucky. If that hour or two a week is simply to much for you to bare then don't put your quarter into the machine and don't pull the lever. If you are forced into doing it then I guess you put yourself in that position and you need to put a quarter in and pull. Welcome to life. You are not the center of the universe and your opinion, just like mine, is just lost in the wind. Deal with it.

The rep boost will definitely be helpful for those professions' recipes.
That Shock-Charger Medallion looks mighty tempting, and the haste adds a nice taste, too.
And what's with the 'Life After Death' theme with guild names?

Good answers from Blues. Arrogant players and people that still complain about LFR that takes like 1 hour, go away.

what is this...

Maybe one day people will stop having this notion that they HAVE to do something in a game they WILLINGLY pay for. Blizzard doesn't force you to go do LFR upon log-in every week. That being said, doing both LFRs only takes an hour to an hour and a half tops, anyway. It really isn't too much of a time investment, in my opinion :T But overall, there isn't anything FORCING you to do LFR; I will never understand it.

Also: sadface that it seems implied that the increased rep gain will be on one faction only I have a 90 of Alliance and Horde (Horde is my main), and I'd love for my alt to get the gains..

Re: The blue arguing about LFR, do they even play the game they created? How do they not realize that every last bit of ilvl upgrade makes bosses that much easier to kill?

Originally Posted by Ogemaniac

IF <toon belongs to raid guild> AND <can be done individually> AND <provides upgrades> THEN <mandatory>

I am not talking about hardcore guilds either. Any of the mid-core guilds that make up the core population of every server expects the same: raid during raid times and on your off hours, pick up any odds and ends that boost your output.

LFR should be far enough behind regular and heroic raids that it is almost inconceivable that it would provide a raider with an upgrade. There is nothing wrong with letting everyone see all the content. But there is no reason in heck that the very casual players for whom LFR was designed cannot be a couple months, not couple weeks, behind.

Basically this is what blizzard needs to understand. My guild does a total of 9 hours of raiding per week but we fully expect everyone to take advantage anything they can out of raid. I can't understand how blizzard can argue that people don't "need" to run LFR. When its equivalent to saying people don't "need" to flask or get a food buff. If you don't do these things you are dragging down everyone else in the guild that took the extra time to make sure they had every advantage they could before entering the raid.