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Paragon and Method Defeat Sha of Fear
DREAM Paragon and Method defeated Sha of Fear early this morning to be the first guilds to clear Terrace of Endless Spring. Congratulations to them! So far, 23 guilds have defeated Tsulong and 21 have defeated Lei Shi.




Patch 5.1 Release Date Hint
Last Tuesday someone asked Dave Kosak if the patch would be arriving two months after Mists of Pandaria was released, as is indicated by several quests. Keep in mind Mists of Pandaria was launched on September 25th, so the closest date is this week! There is also a blue post about it being very, very soon on the forums.



Patch 5.1 Music
One of the PTR builds added almost 45 minutes of music! Turn on annotations to use the menu in the video.



Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
Why aren't bled affected by haste? It's really curious that they are the only dots that aren't affected.
Melee already get extra resources from haste because they get more swings. (Source)

The 5.1 class balance changes should be applied as a hotfix ASAP. Still a lot of this tier left!
5.1 isn't a new tier / season. We hotfix changes that are relatively safe to make. We can't hotfix everything. (Source)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Since your plan is to make heals coming from non heal specs less effective how will you compensate enhancment shaman in pvp?
It's intended to be a nerf not a balance agnostic change. (Source)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
What was the reasoning for removing Glyph of Supernova. the REAL reason, no the reasoning you gave for Cataclysm.
Knowing game rules is critical for PvP. Asking players to learn new rules (run from the dying lock!) in mid-season is harsh.
It's really not harsh. Harsh for morons, maybe. You have to stop patronizing your player base. We are smarter than you think.
Players can be smart and still overwhelmed with too much design churn. Being smart doesn't need to mean constantly relearning. (Source)

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
You realize by nerfing Gag Order you forcing the pvp cookie cutter specs to return, I thought MoP meant more choice, not less!
Last I looked, most warriors in PvP are using Gag Order, Second Wind and Avatar. I expect we'll see more diversity now. (Source)

GC is absolutely right. Gag order is stupid and takes no skill. Juking casts?
I actually think Gag Order does take skill, but we just want warriors to be more about mobility and less about range.
If all Warriors pick the same talent, its not an indication that its too strong, its an indication other choices are too weak.
By that logic if one talent does 1M damage, we need to buff the others? Gross simplification, but DKs and paladin have less mobility but more ranged attacks.
If all Warriors pick the same talent, its not an indication that its too strong, its an indication other choices are too weak.
By that logic if one talent does 1M damage, we need to buff the others? (Source)

Rather than nerfing random various stuff, could you please look at cd-stacking and Taste for Blood instead?
TfB in PvP is very rare. However, bc it's so rare, nerfing it would have little balance impact but might stop flashy videos. (Source)

Character
Are there plans to do more theorycraft discussions in the future, like the Beta TC thread?
We'd like to. It was really helpful for us as well. (Source)

Player model upgrades any time soon? Any news? No? OK, I thought so. That's really sad.
News hasn't changed. We're working on it. It's a huge project. We are as impatient as you. (Source)

PvP
Overall it seems that people welcome the honor point upgrading but nobody see the point about the CP. Is it just equality?
Currently, glads have more Conquest than they can spend. Others barely finish their gear. That's why we'll have to tweak #s. (Source)

Questing
You know, GC, you guys keep saying "slow down" and it's making me not want to play the game. This isn't fun.
It's in response to players saying "I have to do everything TODAY," when we put a lot of things into MoP. (Source)

Misc
Did you consider to add macro conditions?It's really annoying that drag a spell to action bars each time i changed my talent!
Considering only putting new spells on your bar while you're leveling, not at max level. (Source)

Hey GC, my friend keeps saying the cloud serpents arent dragons. Are they considered dragons in WoW lore?
We named them what we did to leave it nebulous. They aren't part of the whole Aspects scene. (Source)

Are you ever tempted to say things along the lines of "If you don't like the game, don't play" to the more stubborn naysayers?
That's not a great way to keep players. (Source)

Comics - Dark Legacy Comics #364
DLC #364 has been released.

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  1. qactuar's Avatar
    >17 25man guilds at 15/16 or higher
    >5 10man guilds at 15/16 or higher

    Which raid size is more difficult, again?
  1. Spotnick's Avatar
    People are kind of missing the point... Paragon and Method just proved 10 and 25 requires exactly the same amount of work and time to clear.

    Instead of doing a 10 vs 25 useless debate, people should acknowledge Blizzard balanced those right.
  1. Ituhippi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    People are kind of missing the point... Paragon and Method just proved 10 and 25 requires exactly the same amount of work and time to clear.

    Instead of doing a 10 vs 25 useless debate, people should acknowledge Blizzard balanced those right.
    But this is the internet, it's full of idiots who can't reason with each other. When Paragon beat Method 25 vs 25, it was because they were better. When Paragon now beats Method 10 vs 25, it's because 10mans are lol easymode faceroll. The result is just the same now, but because the raid size is different, it invalidates everything? That's just fucking stupid.

    Logic in that? No? Thought so.

    Paragon won the race fair and square, and they would've done the same if they were raiding 25mans. Method was behind them already when they were 25man guild, and that has not changed.

    ---------- Post added 2012-11-26 at 09:23 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Baalb View Post
    I love it now that Paragon is 10 man and everyone is defending them, but when they said that 10 man was irrelevant and the real game is in 25 man, everyone was like - yeah, that's right, 10 man guilds are a joke...
    Are you blind? There's probably MORE 10man bashing now than ever, because for once there's actually a 10man guild who keeps up with the race. And clearly 10mans arent any easier, otherwise Paragon would've wiped floor with Method even harder, now they barely won. You can look at the history of their rivalry during 25man raiding, Paragon was #1. Easily.
  1. QzwN's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by qactuar View Post
    >17 25man guilds at 15/16 or higher
    >5 10man guilds at 15/16 or higher

    Which raid size is more difficult, again?
    Lel what a useless comment here. It's because the best players in WoW play 25man (for the challenge?), that's why the numbers u said look like that in the beginning of any tier. 10man will eventually catch up. There's just less guilds in 10man dedicating 18hours per day to raiding ; ))))))))
  1. Madkitty's Avatar
    As I see it there are multiple races.
    World First (10 and 25):
    First guild to kill the boss
    World First (10 or 25):
    This will always be a varied one, if a 10 man guild kills first then the first 25 man will claim "World first 25 man kill" rather than "world first kill" if they were first, and vice versa if a 25 man guild kills first then the first 10 man will claim "World first 10 man kill" rather than "world first kill" if they were first.

    People can follow which race they want 10 man or 25 man, but a world first even if its a different raid size is still a world first. I personally believe that 25 mans are the way raiding should be (be it because you had 10 man dungeons in vanilla i don't see 10 man as a raid), but 10 man is a raid as blizzard have set it up.

    DREAM Paragon got the World first, however as i see it Method got the world first in the raid size i am interested in, i'm not going to reduce the feat of Paragons achievement by saying it doesn't count its 10 man.

    Lets be honest, large numbers of primarily BL fanboys would be saying " Paragon killed it on 10 man its not a real raid" would just as likely be saying things like " HAHA Paragon, Blood Legion world first"if blood legion got it(similar to with empress), when ,by their comments when Paragon get world first, is irrelevant.
  1. Nepturion's Avatar
    Patch will be in December as i predicted, before christmas (thinking 11th December).

    ¨We will be performing scheduled maintenance on Tuesday, November 27th. Maintenance will begin at 3:00 AM PST and is expected to last for 8 hours. During this time, all realms and many web services will be unavailable.

    Thank you for your patience.¨

    Doesnt say that patching is this week.
  1. Eleveneleven's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nepturion View Post
    Patch will be in December as i predicted, before christmas (thinking 11th December).

    ¨We will be performing scheduled maintenance on Tuesday, November 27th. Maintenance will begin at 3:00 AM PST and is expected to last for 8 hours. During this time, all realms and many web services will be unavailable.

    Thank you for your patience.¨

    Doesnt say that patching is this week.
    Doesn't say that there isn't either. They don't usually mention it in those generic downtime announcements and just roll the patch in with maint if there is one.
  1. roboaxxil's Avatar
    America still has dental.
  1. Archidamos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shynz View Post
    Legit world firsts right there, no 24h headstart bs.
    At the time you wrote this the race was still open for Stars, by using the same argument.
    Now it is over no matter what is your point of view. Paragon is world first 10 man guild and Method world first 25 man guild.

    I agree with your point of view btw...but not for Heart of Fear. First boss was bugged and last and decisive hot fix went live when even Korea and Taiwan had access to heroic modes.
  1. Nepturion's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleveneleven View Post
    Doesn't say that there isn't either. They don't usually mention it in those generic downtime announcements and just roll the patch in with maint if there is one.
    Ehhh.. they do..
    Read it and weap!
    ''We are continuing to work on updating all servers with Patch 5.0.4 and will be extending the scheduled maintenance by approximately two hours. We anticipate all realms will be available for play at 1:00 p.m. PDT.''

    tinyurl .com / 8qeukfo
  1. F-Minus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jaricOrgana View Post
    Yes, they raided for over 12 hours on Thanksgiving starting around noon. Kind of sad really, it's cool that people are still hardcore about getting a world first as it helps keep the game alive, but to dismiss family and friends on a holiday to spend time raiding is a bit overboard. Especially when you don't even get first.
    Completely out of context with World of Warcraft and guilds in question, but there's enough holidays and occasions around the year to spend time with your family and friends. I'm home at Christmas, and maybe some birthdays through the year, certainly not every single holiday or whenever they want me to come over - I live my own life, with my own family I made and I have my own schedule.

    That said I'm European so we don't celebrate Thanksgiving, but we have something similar over here, and it's either "Thanksgiving" or Christmas, I wouldn't attend both, and never did, simple as that.
  1. spambanjo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Veliane View Post
    Blood Legion
    Who?

    Quote Originally Posted by qactuar View Post
    >17 25man guilds at 15/16 or higher
    >5 10man guilds at 15/16 or higher

    Which raid size is more difficult, again?
    Definitely 25 man, a bunch of random dudes on a forum said so. They had all killed 10 man content so easily you see...

    ...oh no, wait.
  1. Spartacus's Avatar
    If Blood Legion would be world 1st there will be wall of text on home page of mmo champion, when EU teams defeating world first boss there are only 2 lines and small pic.

    Go to hell.
  1. Jinze's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    If Blood Legion would be world 1st there will be wall of text on home page of mmo champion, when EU teams defeating world first boss there are only 2 lines and small pic.

    Go to hell.
    There'd be several interviews as well and a bunch of quotes from the members talking about how awesome they are.
  1. Spartacus's Avatar
    I dont mean to be fanboi, but everyone can see how hard BL is favorited by mmoc ;p
  1. Dragore's Avatar
    Was really hoping that Blood Legion got world first, I love seeing all the euro hate towards BL.
  1. shed-'s Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragore View Post
    Was really hoping that Blood Legion got world first, I love seeing all the euro hate towards BL.
    gl,hf waiting.
    And waiting.
  1. Nienor's Avatar
    1) The only world firsts that count to me are 25man. Even Paragon raiders have argued about how 10man raids have always been second rate content. A big mistake from Blizzard's part which they've already admitted they made.

    2) What's blood legion?
  1. Glerimos's Avatar
    Congratulations DREAM Paragon and Method! They're still only killer of Sha of Fear on heroic mode.
  1. Khronoz's Avatar
    Stupid Race for Stupid Nerds in an Stupid Panda-Game. Gz your Losers, you are not my heroes !

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