Developer Interviews, Trinket Burst Damage Adjustment, World PvP, Blue Posts, Fan Art

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Developer Interviews
Tonight we will take a look at two interviews, Cory Stockton (Lead Content Designer) at WarcraftPets and Dave Kosak (Lead Quest Designer) at the Darkmoon Herald. A summary of the main points is below, but listening to the full interview is worth it if you want to hear the full answers!


Pets
  • The large number of pets added in Patch 5.1 was a reaction to the gaps in pet levels and families, such as the Mechanical, Dragonkin, and Undead pets. It is unlikely that we will see that many added in any of the future Mists of Pandaria patches.
  • The Pet Battle system worked out really well and feels like it is part of WoW, rather than a tacked on minigame. Players have given overwhelmingly positive feedback.
  • Account Wide Quests and Achievements had some issues that made the experience less smooth than they would have liked, but that is the side effect of all the new tech that went in to the system.
  • More than half of the population in WoW has at least tried Pet Battles.
  • Pets don't get as much balancing as classes do for PvP.
  • Pet battles were designed to be fun, but simple. The tooltips and other information were added to make it easier for players to take part without needing to spend a lot of time learning about pet battles first.
  • Anyone on the team can come up with a pet and create it, then work with the pet battle group to make it into a battle pet.
  • The internal editor tool is made more for creating content and not looking up information, so fansites are helpful for looking up things, even for the devs!
  • One of the early ideas for a new pet system was a dog collecting system. It would allow you to collect different types of dogs and teach them tricks.

Future Pet Changes
  • More dog pets are coming in the future when they feel appropriate, most likely as achievement rewards.
  • There are no current plans for releasing Pet Battles as a mobile game, but it is something that has been talked about. Currently the system is being polished and observed in the main game to figure out where to go next with it. Creating a mobile version would be a very large amount of work and a commitment that requires some serious consideration.
  • Pets will be upgradeable to Epic quality in the future when it feels like an appropriate time.
  • Pets have a breed and gender id in case Blizzard wants to use them in the future, but there are no current plans to use them.
  • Similar pets may get new models in the future. For example, all of the frog pets currently share the same model with different skins, but in the future more frog models could be added.
  • Trading Wild Pets is definitely a possibility for the future, but the game didn't feel ready for it in Patch 5.1. There are a lot of people still collecting pets and working on building up their teams. Allowing players to trade wild pets will reduce that excitement.
  • It is possible that a few wild pets will be tradeable in Patch 5.2 and then further changes will be decided upon after that.
  • Something being worked on for Patch 5.2 or later is wild pets that are like a boss. When encountering them, they would be bigger than normal pets, and you would only fight them, but they would be much stronger than a normal pet. There may be an achievement for defeating all of the "boss" pets in the world, similar to Glorious! that rewards a unique pet.


Questing
  • When creating the quests for a zone the main storyline of a zone is the first thing decided upon. Then the individual quest designers have some more freedom to further the story through the quests they create for that part of the zone.
  • Li Li's Day Off will let Li Li follow you all over Valley of the Four Winds and Krasarang Wilds providing some commentary.
  • The quests or things added by the Make a Wish children are really important to Blizzard. One recent example is Owen's Wishing Well. You can read his story here.
  • Phasing was utilized less this time around, only for the major events. This helped to keep players together, which was a problem in Cataclysm.
  • Blizzard tries not to change quests unless they are really broken. Instead they are used as a learning experience.
  • Players who don't read quest text are taken into account when designing quests. You should be able to have a general idea of what is going on when questing through the gameplay, even without reading the quests.
  • The Golden Lotus quests starting at the same hub every day didn't feel fun, but the Tiller's questline did turn out well.
  • Daily quests are mainly designed for people that enjoy solo progression and don't want to raid, giving them a way to advance their character. Unfortunately the daily quests felt mandatory for some players, causing them to try and do all of the quests every day. This continued until the players realized that they wouldn't earn enough Valor Points to buy everything they were earning access to.
  • A class quest for every class would have reduced the number of zones in Pandaria by at least one due to all of the time it would have taken to create that content.
  • The feedback for opening more of the Patch 5.1 quest line based on your reputation level has been generally positive after players understood how it worked.

Future Questing
  • Questing in Patch 5.2 will use more space so that players are not bumping in to each other and constantly fighting each other for mobs. (Avoiding Fatty Goatsteak)
  • In the future, the rewards from daily quests will be adjusted to make them feel less required to the hardcore raiders who aren't interested in them.
  • The increased reputation leveling speed after Revered was a good step towards making the reputations more alt friendly, but it still could use some work.
  • Patch 5.1 has brought back some World PvP in the new questing area.


Trinket Burst Damage Adjustments
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
After reviewing the data and player feedback, we remain concerned that on-demand burst damage remains too high in PvP. After investigation, we determined that the on-use PvP trinkets are a major contributor to extremely high burst output. As a consequence, in the near future we will be applying hotfixes to smooth out the damage provided by these PvP trinkets. In the case of the Gladiator's Badges this means cutting the amount of primary stat or PvP Power provided, but also cutting their cooldown in half. For the Kor'kron and SI:7 manuals, the cooldown of those trinkets will remain unchanged, but the amount of stats provided will be reduced and the duration of the buff will be increased. The overall damage provided by these trinkets should not be affected; only the burst they are capable of providing.

For example: The Dreadful Gladiator's Badge of Victory will shortly provide 2553 Strength once every minute, instead of 5105 Strength every 2 minutes. Please note that due to limitations in hotfix technology, the item tooltips and buffs will still incorrectly display the original stat value of 5105.

These are the trinkets that are currently slated for adjustment:

Dreadful Gladiator's Badge of Conquest
Dreadful Gladiator's Badge of Dominance
Dreadful Gladiator's Badge of Victory
Malevolent Gladiator's Badge of Conquest
Malevolent Gladiator's Badge of Dominance
Malevolent Gladiator's Badge of Victory
SI:7 Operative's Manual
Kor'kron Book of Hurting

We are aware of the possibility that certain PvE trinkets could become more attractive for PvP in the wake of these hotfixes. While that is somewhat unlikely given that adopting those items would represent a significant loss of PvP Power and Resilience, we will nonetheless keep a close eye on the situation and make adjustments to the appropriate items if necessary. It is also possible that it could become too difficult to land reasonably consistent kills in PvP. If that proves to be the case, then we currently plan to increase the effects of the Battle Fatigue healing debuff to compensate, which is an adjustment that we’ve been considering for some time. On the other hand, if burst damage remains too high after these changes, we are prepared to take additional steps as needed.

World PvP Feedback
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This is going to sound weird, and while I do empathize with the frustration that's being expressed in this thread, this conversation still warms the cockles of my black little heart.

Why? Because for too long there was very little distinction between playing on a PvE realm and playing on a PvP realm. We had inadvertently created a situation where there was little risk when leveling in the world on a PvP realm. The experiences were, for all practical purposes, virtually identical, but that wasn't what we had in mind.

Life on a PvP realm can be nasty, brutish and short. Justice is in very short supply. Every action you take in the world carries with it an added level of risk, from questing, to hunting down profession materials, to simply traveling from place to place. You can be attacked at any time, sometimes by an overwhelming force. Of course, the shoe can also be on the other foot, and you'll be able to turn the tables on your attacker, or find clever ways to delay them or escape from them. Some will become roaming slayers, seeking out enemies to destroy.

In short, the experience on a PvP server is different. We want it to be different, and that includes everything from honorable conflict on the field of battle to horribly despicable ganking. It's all part of the fabric that makes a PvP server what it is.

Let the blood be spilled.

Hey blue what server do u play on? Ill come farm u for a while and lets see if u still think its great.
You don't need to. It's already been done. Repeatedly.

I'm leveling a Monk as I play my other characters, and Pandaren are very popular targets (almost as popular as Blood Elves and Gnomes). I knew exactly what I was getting into, and I take my lumps with the rest of them.

what compensation do you give to those players that now find themselves on PvP
Despite the fact that the experience became less brutal for a time by accident, the expectation of what one should find on a PvP realm has always remained the same.

So how does that fit into your noble idea of a PVP open world of battle?
I didn't imply that it was always noble, nor did I say that revenge was always a likelihood or possibility. I do distinctly recall saying 'Justice is in short supply', though.

You are both right, after a fashion. The general guideline is: if there is a PvP solution available, our staff will not intervene on a PvP realm.

There are, however, situations that are extreme (or that involve exploitation), which merit intervention by our staff, but they are extremely rare.

Remove this barrier and many people will be a lot happier. Stop pretending this is not an issue.
Not that your own situation should be dismissed, because I think it's unfortunate that all your friends prefer playing on a realm type that you don't like, but I would be very surprised if this were a widespread issue. At least you have the support of dependable real life friends if you find yourself in a tough spot.

Cross realm raiding of the current tier has the potential to generate a lot of negative repercussions. It's not the sort of thing we'd commit to lightly.

Spending more time running back to my corpse than actually playing the game. Landing at a quest hub and dying before the NPCs and PCs even appear. Having my corpse camped because a level 90 only has to glance at me and I explode.
None of those things are griefing on a PvP realm, I'm afraid, though I freely acknowledge that they can be frustrating. Nonetheless, our stance on these issues hasn't changed since long, long before Cross Realm Zones were ever even imagined, much less implemented.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Developer Interviews and 5.2
When is 5.2 slated to drop, 4 months from release or 4 months from 5.1?
I have a feeling that Ghostcrawler's comment in that interview is going to be seen quite often on the forums in the coming days.

My best advice is to try not to take those time frames as though they're graven in stone (which is why I'm not directly answering your question). It's better to think of them as rough guidelines for approximately how frequently we'd like to patch in updates.

Somethings that gets me, hy is twitter the only place you guys discuss changes with players? Why would anyone at blizzard make a comment on blizzards goals on twitter, and then on the forums someone else has to back track those comments?
We discuss upcoming changes on the forums with regularity--sometimes they're stickied posts, and sometimes they're comments in threads. Nor am I countermanding anything Ghostcrawler said. Heck, the synopsis on mmo-champion is as follows:

A rough idea of how long patches will take: 2 months for a content patch and 4 months for a patch with a new raid and PvP season. This is just a rough target, as there are many factors involved in determining when players are ready and the content is ready.
I'm simply emphasizing that these are goals, not absolutes. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

LFR Loot System Feedback
That's basically what all the whiners are saying. At the risk of sounding "old" but I remember years ago; if you were pugging current content raids, you were lucky if the group could even kill the boss. Never mind also getting loot.
Perhaps what's happening is that some players are having the illusion that because the roll is happening, something must drop eventually (eventually being, more often than not). But, if I may, I'd suggest you guys note down how many drops (for your character) do you encounter in your guild raids of a given week and how much competition you have going on for them.

When you factor those things in, does LFR really feel *that* different to the speed at which you gear up when you're competing against others in your guild? I'm just curious. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

PvP Vanity Rewards
Pvpers need more vanity items.
We agree that players who prefer PvP should have cooler things to purchase, including more options like vanity items. We are currently discussing ways in which we can better deliver on this.

The current model for itemization somewhat follows the original formula that implied PvP'ers were mostly just interested in getting direct performance enhancers. We don’t agree with that implication anymore and, with the new currency system it makes much more sense to provide additional flavor items that players will be able to spend Conquest and Honor points on.

I think transmog stuff would work out really well. Also I always thought that rank one players should have a unique aura with a flavor text.
A unique aura, while cool, would just be on top of an already quite noticeable mount and title. I think it would be cooler to get gear sets that you can use for transmogrification or just nice little vanity items. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
PvP
what about world pvp? are u gonna do the same SAD world pvp bg for the 3^ times or u have a good fresh new idea?
It's tough. Seem to be a lot of players on PvP servers who don't want to be interrupted with world PvP. We'll keep trying. (Source)

You implement tol barad and wintergrasp for level 90, Do we have any chance to see 5 man RBG in 5.1 ?
5 player RBGs won't be in 5.1. It's a bigger project. (Source)
Ok, thanks GC. But can I wait for this feature one day ?
Yeah, no promises, but we like the idea. (Source)

Way to learn the shaman class Ghostcrawler. Silencing enhance blocks our interrupt and some major cd's!
yeah I know. But silencing an Enhance is like disarming a Mage. I'm sure it happens, but I dont see it often. (Source)
That's not a fair comparison, as mages can still use their abilities while disarmed, whereas enh can't.
the point is you're often better off spending a silence on a healer or a caster who is dependent on spells for 100%. (Source)

Have you ever considered hiring multigladiator players to help out balancing pvp?
I'd tell you we have them, but you'd probably say we hired the wrong ones. (Source)
I thought you dont let expert players balance your game?
we let professional game designers balance our game. Many used to be expert players. Big difference. (Source)
Expert players is a very vague term, I believe you're overhyping in order to scaffold faith.
not sure what you're looking for. We have glads and world first raiders. Neither is as important as good design sense though. (Source)

I do think a partial reason for rogues having low rep is because of other classes (warrior)being overtuned
one of the challenges of 3s is teams can just choose who to take. It's why 3s always tend to feature just a few specs. (Source)

SWTOR Free to Play Changes
The SWTOR team recognized that some of the free to play restrictions were too much, so they relaxed a few.
Originally Posted by SWTOR
When Game Update 1.5 hit Public Test Server (PTS), we listened to your concerns and we increased Quickbars from one to two for Free-to-Play Players, increased Warzones from three to five per week, and reduced the temporary bind on Cartel Market items.

We want you to know that this is an ongoing dialogue. Recently, we’ve seen your feedback on some of the other aspects of our Free-to-Play option and once again, we are working to improve the experience for all of our players.

Starting today, Preferred Status Players will see an increase to their default Quickbars from two (2) to four (4). If you’ve already purchased additional Quickbars, don’t worry: we will be refunding your Cartel Coins for any Quickbar-related purchase.

Additionally, in an upcoming patch (no exact date yet, but players won’t have to wait long), Preferred Status Players will be given four (4) additional character slots, which means that they will have a total of six character slots. As always, Free-to-Play Players can reach Preferred Status simply by purchasing anything from our online store or purchasing a physical copy of the game.

Last but not least, I wanted to share the news that the 50 character limit on Global Active Characters for Subscribers will be removed and increased substantially in the same, aforementioned patch. If you wanted to, you can truly create your own army of Troopers or a legion of Sith Warriors.



Fan Art
Some nice fan art has shown up recently.

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Published on 2012-12-07 09:31 AM
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  1. Pacster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Noctus78 View Post
    Funny how before MoP i liked to collect pets. getting that 125th pet and such.

    But with pet battles i stopped, done 10 matches and was done with it.
    no idea what it is, too overwhelming much pets to catch, or just too much travel to get it all done.

    where some gained a fun minigame, i guess i lost my love for the pets

    That is what happened to many, many, many pet collectors. You worked long and hard on a unique and huge pet collection and suddenly you get three times as many new pets into the game and almost all your pets have 3 or 4 almost identical "copies". On top of that the pet market got ruined by accountwide pets(the doubled pets all ended up on the AH...and you can easily transfer them from one server to the other...so even on small servers they are rediculous cheap compared to the farming time now) and it's really easy to buy all your old pets now. Not to mention that it sucks to get all your old pets from level 1 to 25 while you can catch most of the new ones as level20+.

    The process of finding a rare pet with perfect breed(flying from one pet fight to the next just to retreat right away) is not exactly a gameplay highlight either. Neither is flying daily from one tamer to the next to level your pet and get those rare stones(how about increasing exp. on normal pet fights and giving us just one tamer a days that definitely drops a stone?).

    And as if all that wasn't enough. No. Designers discourage players even more by essentially saying "hey, once you get those rare pets done, we will introduce them as epic quality and you can start over again. And just to spice it up: We got no idea what will we do with gender and breed next.". For a mini game this is an impressively huge time sink(hwne trying to catch all pets as rare 25 versions...let alone perfect breed)...I think it actually beats "Insane in the Membrane" already by far.
  1. FenrisUy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroWashu View Post
    Never understood how the SWTOR team thought they should charge for action bars. I mean, what is next? Charging to use the mouse while playing the game? When F2P starts charging for UI features you know they are desperate or stupid if not both.

    As for the pet battle system in wow. XP needs to be shared amongst the pet team as a whole with reduction for carried pets
    Reroll, same class, same character name, same look. It's the same character.
  1. HerrDrache's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Noctus78 View Post
    Funny how before MoP i liked to collect pets. getting that 125th pet and such.

    But with pet battles i stopped, done 10 matches and was done with it.
    no idea what it is, too overwhelming much pets to catch, or just too much travel to get it all done.

    where some gained a fun minigame, i guess i lost my love for the pets
    You're not alone, I have the same feeling. Jumping from 125 to 600 pretty much killed part of the uniqueness and obtainability. Kind of a "why bother, as soon as I get to #500, they'll introduce another 50". And the happyness of finally getting a Silk Worm or a Terrible Turnip fades when you realize that "this week, everyone and their alts got 3 to 4...". Yay, another rare that isn't.

    It also killed the pet market for alliance/horde pets - why should anyone buy a particular pet when you can get 30 different ones in the wild to satisfy the achievement points.

    I think Big Bear at thebigbearbutt.com has a post about the huge number of pets and what that meant for him as well.
  1. Ilnezhara's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Noctus78 View Post
    Funny how before MoP i liked to collect pets. getting that 125th pet and such.

    But with pet battles i stopped, done 10 matches and was done with it.
    no idea what it is, too overwhelming much pets to catch, or just too much travel to get it all done.

    where some gained a fun minigame, i guess i lost my love for the pets

    100% agree, I wish i knew what was up. I had every pet in the game except 5 (hand from Arch, spectral tiger kitten, ethereal soul trade and 2 of the crocs from the fishing daily). Now it feels like my achievement was 'removed' since it's soo easy to get now and that infuriates me.
  1. Ondonnick's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Durandro View Post
    Ganking is a major problem, and has nothing to do with legitimate PvP. Its little more then cyberbullying.
    This is really lol worthy. Honestly you have obviously never been bullied. You voluntarily show up on a PVP realm and when you can't compete against the players there you want everyone to stop playing the game the way it was meant to be played so you could do what you like whenever you like. That's a hefty sense of entitlement there. Actually the gankers are the ones following the rules of the server and you are the one trying to bully them into playing how you think it should be played.

    To look at it from another perspective the gankers all rolled on a pvp server so they could gank people like yourself, now you are upset and want blizz to change the server rules so you could have your way instead of you just leaving to a server where the rules support how you would like to play. Why should blizz punish the players who are actually playing the game the way it was meant to be played? You made the mistake of rolling on the wrong server so you should have the consequences of fixing that ( paying server transfer fees or rerolling a new toon ), not ruining the game for everyone who enjoys pvp servers as they are now.
  1. Asphyxiate9's Avatar
    I don't understand the complaining about PvP realms, I play on one of the busiest US PvP realms and its still quite rare that I experience a problem. The trick is to queue for an instance or BG or even alt-tab for 10 mins and they will be long gone. Once every two hours usually, so its not so bad.
  1. Kalsam's Avatar
    I originally rolled on a PvE realm that had an understanding that at 60, you would turn on your PvP flag UNLESS you were helping out lowbies. So it was a server that played like a PvP realm that was fair on both sides (ie: Both factions are max level)
    This is what first got me interested in PvP, and why I wasn't opposed to moving to a PvP realm later on. Sure, the first time I got ganked I was pissed, but I wrote down the guy's name, then found and camped him in return when I was maxed out. ^-^ All's fair in love and war, ya know?
    Sadly, the realm I started on no longer does the 'PvP at max level' thing. But I sometimes wonder if setting up a server like that for those who want to PvP, but not until they're max level may be an option? Just a thought.
  1. Dasffion's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FenrisUy View Post
    Reroll, same class, same character name, same look. It's the same character.
    Did you quote the right post? I can't for the life of me figure out what this has to do with what you quoted.
  1. Idletime's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by orangelemonrain View Post
    I don't understand the complaining about PvP realms, I play on one of the busiest US PvP realms and its still quite rare that I experience a problem. The trick is to queue for an instance or BG or even alt-tab for 10 mins and they will be long gone. Once every two hours usually, so its not so bad.
    It's the way it is. I've been strictly PvP realms since Classic WoW and we had these same complaints even back then. The lesson here is that if you complain about being attacked while questing/gathering/leveling, or you don't like the griefing, you are on the wrong realm type and Blizz has always maintained the same position. PvP realms used to be the Badge of Toughness, it's gotten even worse since most people playing on a PvP server should not have rolled there in the first place. I hate to say it but the PvE players are actually smarter than people on PvP servers who complain endlessly about it, at least they know what they want. If you really want to play with friends, this is your entry cost. Sorry if a 90 is attacking your level 30, just deal with it.
  1. derpkitteh's Avatar
    i wish someone would ask if they have any plans to reduce the health of these daily mobs. they're such a pain to kill.

    oh, and... off topic but, cory stockton is kinda cute <3
  1. figotech's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Noctus78 View Post
    Funny how before MoP i liked to collect pets. getting that 125th pet and such.

    But with pet battles i stopped, done 10 matches and was done with it.
    no idea what it is, too overwhelming much pets to catch, or just too much travel to get it all done.

    where some gained a fun minigame, i guess i lost my love for the pets
    The same thing happened to me!
  1. Phaidrae's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tedsterz View Post
    Why do people complain about ganking if they play on a PvP server. It really confuses me...
    I play on a PvP server and I never complain about anything related to world PvP. Anything but this.

    Everyone brushes it off with all of these terrible analogies that "log off or just AFK for 10-15 min and they'll disappear" or "get friends to come and help you out" or "if you hate PvP then why are you playing there?"

    It's all a bunch of guff.

    Firstly, I want to know what the POINT of being at level cap and going around to low level zones and picking people off is. There IS NO point. If it entertains you then you have a LOT of self-insecurities that you probably aren't even aware of. Going and targetting defenseless players is weak, at best. Are you too scared to take on someone of your own level and possibly someone w/ better gear than you? Or do you just gain some kind of twisted joy out of turning someone else's gaming experience sour?

    I've tried the "AFK for a while and they'll leave" approach many times over. It doesn't work. Gankers/campers/griefers are RELENTLESS. I AFK'd as a ghost and came back, more than once, to parties of 4-5 90's standing around my corpse dancing.

    Call for friends? WHAT FRIENDS?! I'm in a small, close-knit guild, most of our players know each other in real life. Also, none of them really like to PvP so how could they help me? I'd ask for help via gen chat, but every time I have not ONE person gave a damn.

    I don't hate PvP. I actively participate in PvP when the mood hits me. But REAL PvP - not taking advantage of some lowbie to satisfy myself. Most of the time if I openly attack another player I'll lose, I can admit that, but at least I'm going after someone "of my own size."

    It's a question of ethics, in a way, as well. It's VERY poor for Blizz to say "We know that we've created a terrible monster. We acknowledge that this is causing a BIG problem for a large number of players. We know perfectly well that this behaviour is detrimental to the enjoyment of other players in the game. We also know that this is stoppable/preventable. We don't care that you're being made so you cannot enjoy your gaming experience, despite the fact that you're paying us to play. We'll just sit here and let this other group over here, who clearly pose a severely unfair advantage over you, enjoy THEIR gaming time instead because we fell you're just a bunch of babies who can't grow balls."

    FURTHERMORE they were just going on, at some lenght, not even a week ago, about how "unfair PvP advantages in BGs needs to stop. We didn't ever intend premades to become so prevalent. These premade groups are too highly organized and have a distinct advantage over the randomized group on the opposition. It's making people ragequit and we don't think that is ok!!"

    How is it any different? You go to a PvP server expecting PvP, yes. You expect the OCCASIONAL ganking, of course you do - you'd be stupid not to. You queue for a battleground to participate in PvP, duh. You also queue for this BG knowing PERFECTLY WELL that there's a distinct chance that you'll be pitted up against a premade group from some server or another, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

    So why take the side of ONE group suffering a severe PvP disadvantage that they, too, also knowingly put themselves into...but then refuse to even acknowledge that the other side has an issue that's JUST as valid?

    I'm no ragequitter. When I play WoW I'd rather enjoy it; not get so frustrated that I lose sight of why I even play in the first place. I realize that not everyone in this game is going to be nice and kind and thoughtful...but this is just REALLY AWFUL double standard policy practice by Blizzard.
  1. Suggs's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Noctus78 View Post
    Funny how before MoP i liked to collect pets. getting that 125th pet and such.

    But with pet battles i stopped, done 10 matches and was done with it.
    no idea what it is, too overwhelming much pets to catch, or just too much travel to get it all done.

    where some gained a fun minigame, i guess i lost my love for the pets
    Ill add my name to the list of dissapointed pet collectors.
  1. S2omegaS2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Phaidrae View Post
    I play on a PvP server and I never complain about anything related to world PvP. Anything but this.

    Everyone brushes it off with all of these terrible analogies that "log off or just AFK for 10-15 min and they'll disappear" or "get friends to come and help you out" or "if you hate PvP then why are you playing there?"

    It's all a bunch of guff.

    Firstly, I want to know what the POINT of being at level cap and going around to low level zones and picking people off is. There IS NO point. If it entertains you then you have a LOT of self-insecurities that you probably aren't even aware of. Going and targetting defenseless players is weak, at best. Are you too scared to take on someone of your own level and possibly someone w/ better gear than you? Or do you just gain some kind of twisted joy out of turning someone else's gaming experience sour?

    I've tried the "AFK for a while and they'll leave" approach many times over. It doesn't work. Gankers/campers/griefers are RELENTLESS. I AFK'd as a ghost and came back, more than once, to parties of 4-5 90's standing around my corpse dancing.

    Call for friends? WHAT FRIENDS?! I'm in a small, close-knit guild, most of our players know each other in real life. Also, none of them really like to PvP so how could they help me? I'd ask for help via gen chat, but every time I have not ONE person gave a damn.

    I don't hate PvP. I actively participate in PvP when the mood hits me. But REAL PvP - not taking advantage of some lowbie to satisfy myself. Most of the time if I openly attack another player I'll lose, I can admit that, but at least I'm going after someone "of my own size."

    It's a question of ethics, in a way, as well. It's VERY poor for Blizz to say "We know that we've created a terrible monster. We acknowledge that this is causing a BIG problem for a large number of players. We know perfectly well that this behaviour is detrimental to the enjoyment of other players in the game. We also know that this is stoppable/preventable. We don't care that you're being made so you cannot enjoy your gaming experience, despite the fact that you're paying us to play. We'll just sit here and let this other group over here, who clearly pose a severely unfair advantage over you, enjoy THEIR gaming time instead because we fell you're just a bunch of babies who can't grow balls."

    FURTHERMORE they were just going on, at some lenght, not even a week ago, about how "unfair PvP advantages in BGs needs to stop. We didn't ever intend premades to become so prevalent. These premade groups are too highly organized and have a distinct advantage over the randomized group on the opposition. It's making people ragequit and we don't think that is ok!!"

    How is it any different? You go to a PvP server expecting PvP, yes. You expect the OCCASIONAL ganking, of course you do - you'd be stupid not to. You queue for a battleground to participate in PvP, duh. You also queue for this BG knowing PERFECTLY WELL that there's a distinct chance that you'll be pitted up against a premade group from some server or another, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

    So why take the side of ONE group suffering a severe PvP disadvantage that they, too, also knowingly put themselves into...but then refuse to even acknowledge that the other side has an issue that's JUST as valid?

    I'm no ragequitter. When I play WoW I'd rather enjoy it; not get so frustrated that I lose sight of why I even play in the first place. I realize that not everyone in this game is going to be nice and kind and thoughtful...but this is just REALLY AWFUL double standard policy practice by Blizzard.
    I agree with allllll of this lol
    Most corpse campers do not go away in 10 minutes...
    Prior to CRZ my server had (could possibly still have) a hunter that camped hellfire for over 3 months....it took me over a week to get through hellfire with triple experience
    And this guy was not in it for PVP...he would run from every lvl 85 I brought to him...the same thing over and over...fly into blood furnace, hearth back to honor hold. go back to camping lowbies.

    The blue post itself was entirely a joke...the ganking is more dangerous then it ever has been with so many factors. CRZ, a level difference that grows every expansion, a health difference that like grows by the multiple of 10x every expansion it seems, the fact that while leveling you are stuck to the ground while every high level ganker is going to have the fastest flying mount. It's easy to say ok...I will level in a new zone, but the trick is getting out of the hell your stuck in because you have a guy sitting on your body.

    I also had to laugh at the one post in the middle of all this that says its hard to get PvP guilds to get excited about their new world pvp. its because the majority would rather go to a low level zone and 1 shot people...
  1. Muezick's Avatar
    They sure are driving swtor into the ground
  1. Ondonnick's Avatar
    You guys complaining seem to miss the point of pvp servers. If you want organized pvp only when you are in the mood then that is what pve realms and BG's are for. PVP realms are meant for killing anyone at anytime you please, even if it is an inconvenience to the other player involved. PVP realms allow us to try and take control of entire areas of the map if you choose and your only option is to fight back or leave. I remember back in wrath taking over Stormwind for a few hours with raids and owning everyone in there, no matter the level. I can imagine that must of sucked being on the other end of that because it happened in Org several times as well. Its what makes pvp servers fun for the people who really want to pvp. It adds extra tension having a little bit of unpredictability, chaos and god forbid freedom to do what you like in your game, and is the entire point of pvp realms. If you don't want any unplanned pvp going on around you then that's what pve realms are for.
  1. S2omegaS2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ondonnick View Post
    You guys complaining seem to miss the point of pvp servers. If you want organized pvp only when you are in the mood then that is what pve realms and BG's are for. PVP realms are meant for killing anyone at anytime you please, even if it is an inconvenience to the other player involved. PVP realms allow us to try and take control of entire areas of the map if you choose and your only option is to fight back or leave. I remember back in wrath taking over Stormwind for a few hours with raids and owning everyone in there, no matter the level. I can imagine that must of sucked being on the other end of that because it happened in Org several times as well. Its what makes pvp servers fun for the people who really want to pvp. It adds extra tension having a little bit of unpredictability, chaos and god forbid freedom to do what you like in your game, and is the entire point of pvp realms. If you don't want any unplanned pvp going on around you then that's what pve realms are for.
    While I see your point, (even though I disagree against a lot of it) I don't see that as how pvp servers work anymore. People don't care to work together or holding points or places. People go out of their ways to make the game less enjoyable for other people and that is all. In this age, a high level will focus in on one person and follow him all around the zone (which isn't far because they can fly at like 300% speed) and will make sure that person has to log off or just sit there. And The big issue with CRZ is that this scenario happens a lot more often because of it.
  1. Bombinshaman's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ondonnick View Post
    You guys complaining seem to miss the point of pvp servers. If you want organized pvp only when you are in the mood then that is what pve realms and BG's are for. PVP realms are meant for killing anyone at anytime you please, even if it is an inconvenience to the other player involved. PVP realms allow us to try and take control of entire areas of the map if you choose and your only option is to fight back or leave. I remember back in wrath taking over Stormwind for a few hours with raids and owning everyone in there, no matter the level. I can imagine that must of sucked being on the other end of that because it happened in Org several times as well. Its what makes pvp servers fun for the people who really want to pvp. It adds extra tension having a little bit of unpredictability, chaos and god forbid freedom to do what you like in your game, and is the entire point of pvp realms. If you don't want any unplanned pvp going on around you then that's what pve realms are for.
    It is obvious that this has not been Blizzard's stance on this since the dark ages, no matter what they say. Dishonorable Kills existed for a very long time just as much on PvP servers as they did on PvE servers. If Blizzard always supported ganking, why did DHK's exist? When I rolled on a PvP server to play with my friends back in 2005, this DHK system was in full swing. I now have 8 85+ characters and 3 bank alts with guild banks.

    I am supposed to pay $275 now to take all of my toons to a PvE server because blizzard has changed the way the game works and now I'm screwed?

    Griefing isn't even my biggest complaint about CRZ. I am on a very low pop US server. We were second to last in opening the Isle of Quel'Danas phases and dailies. As such, our economy is crap. That's OK for me I thought, I"ll just level a miner and herbalist and go out and farm the stuff myself for what I need instead of paying 500g a stack for ore off the AH.

    Now, however, not only is my economy still atrocious, I can't even go out and farm the materials instead since they are being ran over by bots. So basically I not only lose the small town feel that my server had, and the peace of leveling without being ganked, and instead have the worst of both worlds. Terrible economy along with no way to get the materials myself in a normal fashion, nor level a toon without being hassled.

    So I guess which one of you CRZ supporters would like to foot the $275 bill for transferring? Since it's not that big of a deal for all of us "whiners" to transfer to a PvE server.
  1. Notos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by S2omegaS2 View Post
    While I see your point, (even though I disagree against a lot of it) I don't see that as how pvp servers work anymore. People don't care to work together or holding points or places. People go out of their ways to make the game less enjoyable for other people and that is all. In this age, a high level will focus in on one person and follow him all around the zone (which isn't far because they can fly at like 300% speed) and will make sure that person has to log off or just sit there. And The big issue with CRZ is that this scenario happens a lot more often because of it.
    I don't think world pvp has ever been about anything other than ganking. The only remotely useful objectives have been EPL towers (for guilds doing Naxx) and Zang (for the shorter ghost run back to SSC). All other scenarios have existed in the game since the first day someone hit max level, got bored, and decided to gank lowbies for fun. Escaping from gankers nowadays is trivial compared to before. 15 minute hearth cooldown? BG/Dungeon queues which teleport you straight to the instance? Sorry, I have zero sympathy for people playing on PvP servers these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bombinshaman View Post
    If Blizzard always supported ganking, why did DHK's exist?
    Ganking and killing quest NPCs are not the same thing.
  1. MrExcelion's Avatar
    World PVP isn't meant to be fair, and but on the other side of the coin, yes it is legalized griefing. I do empathize with those players that rolled on PVP servers long after the world PVP aspect of the game had died several years ago, and there's something to be said for being ganked by a CRZ guy you might never see again and get a chance to pay back the favor. My servers always grouped with Illidan, and CRZ never attempts to bring a 50:50 zone faction split, which it should if they want us to relive the epic WPVP battles of old.
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