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Patch 5.1 BMAH Additions
Patch 5.1 added three new items to the BMAH. The first is a weapon with a fairly unique model, the Sun-Lute of the Phoenix King! The on use effect turns you in to Sig Nicious.

It has a reported starting bid of 70k, the same as the Arcanite Ripper. You can find a full list of the items on the BMAH here.


The other two items are old Proto-Drakes. The first is the Reins of the Plagued Proto-Drake, which was a reward of Glory of the Raider (10 player). The other is the Reins of the Rusted Proto-Drake, a reward of Glory of the Ulduar Raider (10 player).



Madness of Deathwing 10 Solo Kill
Congratulations to Mionelol for another impressive solo kill.



Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
On a related note: Do you still feel that number changes are preferable over mechanical changes for all specs during an XP?
Ya. More players quit because of constant class changes than quit because of balance concerns. Hard to believe maybe but true. (Source)

But GC in all fairness we have other classes standing up for us, its not us shamans vs the world
Also "my warrior alt agrees with my shaman main." See the problem? That's not the same as an actual discussion with back and forth from both sides. Players never agree 100% with anything. (Source)
Yo GC, try and show some respect to your playerbase /cast Busshock
I respect our players a great deal or I wouldn't make such an effort to do this. That does not mean game design is up for a vote. (Source)

Why the huge nerf to glyphs in MoP? They seem, well, underwhelming. #wow
They were a DPS increase before, but not an interesting one. Most players picked the highest DPS glyph and never changed them. (Source)

Do you think abilities such as Destro Rain of Fire or Halo should break Rogue's stealth? And if so why? It's too easy to break
I would love to see only Flare and a few others break stealth, but that's a potentially destabilizing change. (Source)

Have you ever considered changing a spec from a pure dps class to a tank/heal spec?
yes, but I don't think every one of those pure players would like that (& you can't just say they can ignore the new roles). (Source)
With druids now having 4 specs to choose from, wouldn't it be possible to add them&not remove any specific spec?
Druids have always been hybrids though. Maybe a rogue doesn't want to have to be considered a tank. (Source)
I dont think most people would have to consider it. I assume if your in a raid you have a designated tank.
Not that simple. If you have a tank as a class might be less room for DPS of same class. Also has gear, DPS, dual spec implications. (Source)

some classes/specs does not bring anything useful generally, hunters rogues come to mind these problems -continued
We don't like balancing around awesome raid utility - just shifts the problem to who has strongest utility. (Source)

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
¨What do you think of DK survival in pvp? I quit mine because I realized in premop patch that we were going to be easy target
If you can get a DK to blow all def cooldowns, then they're easier to kill, but you still have Blood Presence. (Source)

Why is Blood getting nerfed PvP wise? We have no mobility what so ever.. we are easily kited.WTF. Compensate for the nerf?
We don't like invulnerable tanks in PvP even if they are slow. Blood had too much self-healing in PvP. (Source)

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
I'm not sure why you just don't throw a 1 min CD on Healing Shrooms and scale them properly and be done with it at this point.
that might get druids to use them, but that makes them like a lot of other spells and the game needs more variety not less. (Source)
why not have mushroom healing to be increased based on a proc you receive by using another spell, like regrowth, etc
potentially. Want to be a little careful not to add too many RNG procs though. (Source)

How long are we going to have to wait to see shifting out of snares removed?
Not on our radar ATM. We don't want to nerf every counter in PvP, just the ones that feel super frustrating. (Source)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Is there a possible warlock-style redesign for hunters in future? New talents seem to cause button bloat and spread dps thin.
We don't think hunters need a massive revamp (beyond range and ammo changes they already have). They do have too many buttons. (Source)

Regarding hunters, why is BW, a skill untouched for years suddenly OP? Also 5.1 changes nothing regarding MM being weak in pvp
We don't think defenses used offensively makes good gameplay. They tend to get blown immediately not strategically. (Source)

Mage (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Any chance Mages could get rune of power castable on the move?
Don't want it to be a buff you just hit on cooldown. Agree it needs a little work. (Source)
Any word on IW or Invocation?
Invocation works for Arcane, but feels too maintenancy for others. IW is a bigger topic. (Source)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Hey GC with the change in 5.1 making totems act as spells was it intended to nerf all specs or just resto ?
it was intended as a nerf to totems. Now that they do things (not just buffs) they were hard to counter. (Source)

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
How's the banner experiment working out? Have you guys contemplated any other cool banner style abilities for warriors?
honestly, not sure yet. Still like the concept. Not sure if it's delivering on the fantasy. (Source)

PvP
When you or one of the blizzard staff mentioned the 30% healing nerf in Battlegrounds, I hope you mean hybrids only.
Nope. We suspect healing overall is too potent once burst is toned down. You shouldn't need to 100% CC a healer to score a kill. (Source)

Make PvP abilities a mod to PvE abilities = PvP changes isolated. Add PvP Stance for equipment/glyphs, fallback to PvE gear.
We make abilities work differently as a later sort, but I for one don't want to have to earn two different rule sets. (Source)
greg making two rule sets is the only way to fix the PVE vs PVP issue. have you not learned that yet?
Disagree. Also even if true, perfect balance gains us nothing if a bunch of players leave because the rules are inscrutable. (Source)

A flightless Tol Barad-type zone is essential for world pvp. Do you regret not making one for MoP or plan to make one?
We had done those zones 2 expansions in a row so felt it was time to let it rest a bit, but I bet we try them again in the future. (Source)

Why are the PvP achievements so limited? No 2,4k in 2v2. No 1k arenas won? 5k arenas won? Hot Hot Hot streak? #possibilities
We'd like to add more but we need to make sure they don't encourage strange behavior. Ach farming in PvP can get silly fast. (Source)

I believe an open mind is more important than a title, experience after that. Sadly, even glads can be very biased.
People who like to eat don't always make good cooks. That doesn't mean they can't tell you what they like to eat. (Source)
Do you take advice from a master chef or some guy who just happens to enjoy food?
Both. (Source)

So why nerf all specs? Reducing the benefit of mastery in PvP would fix resto, but ele isn't even viable pre-nerfs.
We don't think it's all about the healing, and Resto PvE healing is fine. We think totems are too good. (Source)
people will stop complaining about resto pvp nerfs if you nerf frost bomb/ warrior cd stacking/ resto drood control
There are mage and warrior nerfs in 5.1. Keeping an eye on Cyclone for now. (Source)

I'm not giving up on skirmish arenas, never, ever. You know we want it. inb4 block :<
We aren't either - it's just not going to be super soon. (Source)

Everyone agrees with him/her. This upgrade gear thing is going to make people quit the game. PvP is dying.
claiming to speak for everyone always makes me suspicious. (Source)
well, not everyone but the majority i think. btw, i would love to have that pvp forum on the US.
just make good arguments and don't worry about invoking a huge crowd to agree with you. It's not a vote anyway. (Source)

Misc
MoP was meant to get people out in the world, PvP was supposed to be king this xpac. Why nerf guild perk Quick and the Dead?
dying is supposed to have some penalty. Since you have unlimited lives, downtime is the main one. (Source)

You ruined the joke just like you ruined Age of Empires and WoW...
Changes no one asked for - Rpg home city. Homogenic empires and Clunky/Bad combat. Quite similar to WoW now
.you don't get good games by just giving people what they ask for. Game design isn't just polling. (Source)
Look at League of Legends Mr. Street, I'm sure it'd love to beg to differ.
we're friends with all those guys. Pretty sure they don't turn over design to their community either. (Source)

What happened to balance/bug fix patches (eg 4.0.6)? It's frustrating to wait for next content patch to see much desired fixes
We don't characterize patches that way. There are big patches (new raid tier / PvP season) and smaller ones. 5.1 is the latter. (Source)

But there is something to be said about testing your games.
we do test our games. We have a huge QA department and we invite players to try out betas and PTRs. (Source)

just curious... do you collaborate w/ the other blizzard games, or does everyone stay in their own game areas?
We collaborate a fair amount. Great to get outside opinions and see how others solve problems. Several temp or perma moves too. (Source)

Regarding items that aren't intended to ever go into the game (i.e. heroic raid trash), why are they made? Just curious.
if we change loot tables late, then we already have the items ready. (Source)

... what to listen to, consciuously or not. You reap the results of that (horrible PVP, constant whines).
I read the role and PvP forums regularly. Feedback is always valuable. It just doesn't always result in immediate change. (Source)

You need to listen to the people who play this game even more than the ones who created it.
We do listen to them. We just don't let them order up game changes on their own. That would be interesting though. (Source)

Is there anywhere we can beg an audience with The GC with a longer character limit?
I'd love to in a theoretical sense, but there are too many of you and one of me. (Source)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
The current SSD prices seem to have bottomed out for now, with almost all SSDs under $1 per gigabyte. A few sales have even gone under 50 cents per gigabyte, so look for something on sale! No new CPUs, GPUs, or SSDs worth waiting for are expected before late in the first or the second quarter next year.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 3770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in Folding@home, take a look in our team's thread.


Peripherals/Monitors
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorAcer V223W EJBD 22-Inch Widescreen - $140ASUS VW246H 24-Inch Widescreen - $188
KeyboardLogitech Media Keyboard K200 - $20Cyborg V.5 - $51
MouseLogitech G400 - $30Razer Deathadder - $45
SpeakersCreative A220 2.1 Speaker System - $27Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $40
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorASUS VE278Q 27-Inch - $280HP ZR2440W 24-inch (IPS Panel) - $364
KeyboardLogitech G110 - $60Razer BlackWidow (Backlit)- $70 ($137)
MouseLogitech G500 - $45Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $60
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $60Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $80


Puppy and Dolphin
Overclocked Puppy will outperform Dolphin when multiple threads are in use (Not WoW) and come close in most other cases.
Mix and match anything but the CPU/Motherboard combo between Puppy and Dolphin. Pick one of the two CPU/Motherboard combos.
Mix and match anything between Dolphin and Narwhal.
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT GAMMA Classic - $35NZXT GAMMA Classic - $35
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $59XFX Core Edition PRO 550W - $66
CPUAMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition- $90Intel i3-3220 - $120
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $25Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $32
MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2 AM3+ 970 - $100Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H - $117
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $198GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $40
Graphics CardXFX 7770 - $109MSI 7850 Twin Frozr or Gigabyte GTX 660 OC - $205 / $236
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $60Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $100
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23
Total$539$698 - $731


Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn. SSDs are always optional.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Cooler Master HAF X - $150
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX V2 - $90Corsair 750HX - $148
CPUIntel i5-3570K - $215Intel i7-3770K - $320
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $60Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $81
MotherboardASUS P8Z77-V LK - $112ASUS P8Z77-V - $190
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $408GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $40
Graphics CardXFX 7870 (7950) OR GIGABYTE GTX 660 Ti - $261 ($305) / $280Gigabyte 7970 OR GIGABYTE GTX 670 - $400 / $355
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $100Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $100
SSDSAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $98
OR
OCZ 128 GB Vertex 4 (Review) - $110
Crucial 128 GB m4 (Review) - $106
OR
Corsair Force Series GT 120 GB - $120
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23
Total$990 - $1090$1406 - $1543


Curse Weekly Roundup
This week we have news on a Dignitas player being banned, the Marriland.com relaunch, Wowkemon Addon, Firefall Beta Keys, and your Game Release Forecast for next week.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.1 BMAH Additions, Madness of Deathwing Solo, Blue Tweets, Weekly Roundup started by chaud View original post
Comments 126 Comments
  1. lios's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Articuno View Post
    Can't wait until you can buy the Scarab Lord title and mount, too. Disgusting.
    Why is that?
  1. Articuno's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lios View Post
    Why is that?
    Because if you worked hard as hell for something you SHOULD be able to be a "special snowflake" about it. And you know what? I don't care if you don't like that. You can move to Cuba and enjoy your communism bullcrap there.
  1. Archeus9's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    Watch the attitude. Im not going to sit in a discussion forum and discuss how sunshine and fucking lollipops everything is, whats the point in that? Same can be said to you, why are you sitting here bitching at me.

    Why don't you leave MMO-Champion and do something interesting in your spare time?

    Btw that was alot more polite than it had to be.
    Why i am here? I don't even know, maybe because this is WoW's news site. Nobody forces you to discuss about sunshine and "fucking" lollipops, i just can't understand why are you bitching about everything.

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-09 at 09:10 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Articuno View Post
    Because if you worked hard as hell for something you SHOULD be able to be a "special snowflake" about it. And you know what? I don't care if you don't like that. You can move to Cuba and enjoy your communism bullcrap there.
    I have Plagued Proto-Drake and i really don't care if someone else can get it. Seriously, it's an ugly mount, i don't even know why someone wants it.
  1. Tommo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Archeus9 View Post
    Why i am here? I don't even know, maybe because this is WoW's news site. Nobody forces you to discuss about sunshine and "fucking" lollipops, i just can't understand why are you bitching about everything.
    Firstly you've been lurking since April so chances are you know fuck and all about me and my post history, which even if you were to look up isnt even about wow 70% of the time. Secondly no one is forcing you to derail the topic and have a little bitchfit at me. Take your own advice.
  1. Hastings's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Archeus9 View Post
    I have Plagued Proto-Drake and i really don't care if someone else can get it. Seriously, it's an ugly mount, i don't even know why someone wants it.
    Plagued Proto-Drake /drool

    Amazing looking mount for my warlock

    Sadly, will never have enough gold to get it from the BMAH...If only there was some other way to get it ingame, perhaps via a ridiculously long quest chain.
  1. Adramalech's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Articuno View Post
    Because if you worked hard as hell for something you SHOULD be able to be a "special snowflake" about it. And you know what? I don't care if you don't like that. You can move to Cuba and enjoy your communism bullcrap there.
    Way too overdramatic reaction for such trivial bullshit. But then again, most reactions around here are overdramatic by nature, it's no surprise.

    Yeah, it's absolutely disgusting and infurating that other players can obtain items that were removed years ago, even though it has no effect on MY gameplay at all! How dare they do this! /sarcasm

    If you can't see how freaking small and harmless it is that a handful of people are going to have a mount/vanity weapon that isn't obtainable anymore, then I can do nothing more than laugh.


    Anyway, I surely wouldn't spend much gold on the plagued drake. If it was the black one, however... I'd invest quite a bit on that one. But not on the plagued.

    As for the weapons, it's a no for me. Even if I did have the monetary power to get them, I don't think they're worth large amounts of gold. But that's just me, and it really means little.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hastings95 View Post
    Sadly, will never have enough gold to get it from the BMAH...If only there was some other way to get it ingame, perhaps via a ridiculously long quest chain.
    Or just adding them back to where they belong: the T7 meta-achievements.
  1. fizzbob's Avatar
    just buy the gold like everyone else. most of the people with gold can afford it. i've ran into people who couldn't even use the AH and yet they had hundreds of thousands of gold. it's because people buy the hell out of gold
  1. Archeus9's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    Firstly you've been lurking since April so chances are you know fuck and all about me and my post history, which even if you were to look up isnt even about wow 70% of the time. Secondly no one is forcing you to derail the topic and have a little bitchfit at me. Take your own advice.
    Whenever you post in WoW thread, you bitch. I don't like people who bitch. You have the truth, no one is forcing me to say something about you and your bitching, i was just curious why are you still here.
  1. Articuno's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    even though it has no effect on MY gameplay at all! How dare they do this! /sarcasm
    It has an effect on MY gameplay because I don't want to see people riding around on the mount that I WORKED HARD TO GET. They didn't work hard, they bought gold from a Chinese farmer or used Guardian Cubs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    If you can't see how freaking small and harmless it is that a handful of people are going to have a mount/vanity weapon that isn't obtainable anymore, then I can do nothing more than laugh.
    If you actually had actually worked for one of these then you'd understand.
  1. Archeus9's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hastings95 View Post
    Plagued Proto-Drake /drool

    Amazing looking mount for my warlock

    Sadly, will never have enough gold to get it from the BMAH...If only there was some other way to get it ingame, perhaps via a ridiculously long quest chain.
    I think that they could've made it as rare drop from something. Rare npc that have spawn time like TLPD, and only 5% chance on dropping Plagued and Black Proto Drakes. It should spawn in Orgrimmar and Stormwind AH of course.

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-09 at 09:24 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Articuno View Post
    If you actually had actually worked for one of these then you'd understand.
    I have both Plagued Proto Drake and Arcanite Ripper and i still don't care. Someone is going to have same pixels as me.... THE HORROR!!!!
  1. Adramalech's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Articuno View Post
    It has an effect on MY gameplay because I don't want to see people riding around on the mount that I WORKED HARD TO GET. They didn't work hard, they bought gold from a Chinese farmer or used Guardian Cubs.




    If you actually had actually worked for one of these then you'd understand.
    Sure I would. You're assuming I wasn't ever in a similar situation as you are. Perhaps not with the same items. Perhaps not even with some super-hard to obtain shiny (which the plagued drake and the arcanite ripper WERE NOT), perhaps not even in this game. But I have been, and I never cared. You assume too much.

    All I can really say is: you poor little thing, having to share your precious mount with people who put in less effort than you did YEARS ago. Do you cry about people who solo or 2-3 man their way to their meta-achievement/rare drop mount from previous expansions just because they aren't obtaining them in current content? I'm sure you do.
  1. fizzbob's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Archeus9 View Post
    Whenever you post in WoW thread, you bitch. I don't like people who bitch. You have the truth, no one is forcing me to say something about you and your bitching, i was just curious why are you still here.
    this type of post should be a template

    the "how to bitch about someone bitching while saying you hate bitching" template

    so hypocriticial
  1. Archeus9's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fizzbob View Post
    this type of post should be a template

    the "how to bitch about someone bitching while saying you hate bitching" template

    so hypocriticial
    I wasn't bitching. I was just curious why is he still here.
  1. Zues's Avatar
    Can't we all just smoke some pot, play the game, and laugh together?
  1. Fizzfizzbang's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Articuno View Post
    It has an effect on MY gameplay because I don't want to see people riding around on the mount that I WORKED HARD TO GET. They didn't work hard, they bought gold from a Chinese farmer or used Guardian Cubs.




    If you actually had actually worked for one of these then you'd understand.
    Because the T7 10 man meta was MEGA HARD, amirite? I mean, it's not like a bunch of guilds cleared Naxx still wearing T6 or anything, right? You worked so hard, you poor baby.

    You act like suddenly, tomorrow, there are going to be 3495783985793874598357 people on your realm with a plagued proto, just like, flying circles around you. That's not going to happen. You can stop hyperventilating.

    Also the Arcanite Ripper was not an item you had to "work for"....it was a drop off a special event boss that was piss easy, as special even bosses tend to be, and if you were a lucky little girl like me you won the roll. I don't care if more people have the same axe I do, because it's super awesome no matter what.

    You should try getting your sense of accomplishment and self worth somewhere outside of a video game.
  1. Xe4ro's Avatar
    Why only the 10men version? I have that one q_q
  1. lewisderp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Adramalech View Post
    Yeah, it's absolutely disgusting and infurating that other players can obtain items that were removed years ago, even though it has no effect on MY gameplay at all! How dare they do this! /sarcasm
    this isn't really valid when you're talking about an MMO game. What's the point in doing anything in a MMO when you can just buy gold and purchase the rewards?
  1. dokilar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Archeus9 View Post
    I wasn't bitching. I was just curious why is he still here.
    not going to go any further than this but it sure seemed like you were bitching in the quote fizzbob quoted.

    i dont play WoW anymore and i still come to this site, while i dont piss and moan at everything blizzard does i still like to post in WoW related topics and give my opinion. its a forum, a public place to discuss topics ranging from WoW to tv/movies. so while someone, who doesnt even play WoW, complaining about something going on in WoW may seem stupid to you, it may very well not be the sole reason they are here at this site.

    when i visit this site i generally look at the recently active posts and just open ones that have interesting titles in multiple new windows. some are discussing WoW, others are discussing other things. to each their own!
  1. meheez's Avatar
    Very disappointed they bring back the plagued proto drake in such a way. Some things should stay unobtainable. I don't have it btw.
  1. rogueMatthias's Avatar
    So, ignoring all the special snowflake discussion,

    Is is my imagination, or are the blue tweets getting more and more redundant? I was trying to make out anything in all those tweets that was in any way new and not just another "we do listen, but it's us that makes the game" post rephrased slightly.

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