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World First Heroic Elite 25 Protectors of the Endless
黎明之翼 (Wings of Aurora) was able to kill Protector Kaolan last and defeat Elite difficulty Protectors of the Endless. It appears that it was a close fight, as not many of them were alive for looting. Their best attempt before the nerf was 6% and progress was being made towards a kill.

Killing the bosses in the encounter in this order gives them access to the item level 516 loot. Congratulations to them!

Because this was in China, the loot becomes item level 524 once it is looted, and is upgradeable two more times.



Heroic Difficulty Boss Changes
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Two Heroic mode encounters in the Heart of Fear and the Terrace of Endless Spring are changing with the Raid reset this week:

  • Grand Empress Shek'zeer

  • Protectors of the Endless
    • The damage dealt by Touch of Sha no longer increases for each Protector that is defeated in the Heroic mode version of this encounter.

Patch 5.2 - Excess Valor Points to Justice Points
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
There are some changes planned for 5.2, for example, we would like to make Valor points convert to Justice as long as you’re Valor capped.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Battleground Gear Disparity
Simply tier the BGs by ilvl.
It's not simple, unfortunately. It would a) require a retooling of how Battlegrounds assemble teams and b) even under ideal conditions, it would likely slow down queue times dramatically. As Ovenmitz demonstrates, there are a lot of players who are very opposed to that.

It's not that we aren't interested in making Battlegrounds a better experience, it's that we need to make sure that whichever steps we take actually meet that goal. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

World PvP Feedback
Would it not be possible to mark characters (say x levels under your own) in gray, and if a player over the limit of x tries to attack they are presented with the message "you cannot attack that target"? (Similarily, a player x lvs under gets the same message if trying to attack a target x lvs over).
It’s possible to do that, but it’s just something we decide not to. PvP realms have been here since day 1. Players know what the rules are before they join a PvP realm, the environment can be frustrating at times but it can also be a lot of fun and very challenging, that’s why players they go there.

I think the difference between PvP and PvE realms was felt much deeper in the old days of vanilla. That was when world PvP was probably at its peak, places like Tarren Mill, Southshore and Tanaris were truly a permanent battle zone. But one has to realize that the game evolves and while we enjoy world PvP, we also enjoy giving players more options.

So what happened? Well for starters, battlegrounds were introduced, so a big chunk of players that was constantly doing world PvP immediately switched to Battlegrounds, these were purposely made for PvP, it’s just natural that they become more appealing and take away some of the ganking going around in the world. Even if this wasn’t probably a complete switch, it certainly reduced the average amount of players out in the world looking for PvP. Is this a bad thing? That depends on whether you prefer world PvP or Battlegrounds.
Then we had some more game expansions and in addition to the classic Battlegrounds we got Arenas and even more Battlegrounds. We also introduced quality of life (controversial, we know!) queuing systems where we let people instantly teleport into dungeons/raids without risking their necks out there in the wilderness.

Without getting into much detail, the point is, as time went on, the amount of players out in the world got reduced, while the amount of players inside cities increased, this created 2 issues: one, it increased the likelihood of low level ganking to occur, since levelling players tend to quest and they have to be out there in the world to do so; and two, it decreased the chance of someone high level being around you to defend the members of his own faction.

So, yes, world PvP decreased significantly but we’re trying to turn that around with Mists of Pandaria.
My whole point is that, between vanilla and Mists, world PvP changed so much that making the choice between being on a PvE or PvP realm might have stopped being as hard to make as it used to be, but the fact remains that PvP realms were always meant to be about freedom, allowing factions to feel that they are truly at war, how can you feel that if you suddenly have restrictions on how/who/when you can attack?

Personally I welcome this change of direction with Mists but I look at it very carefully as this isn’t vanilla anymore and there a lot of variables that we need to pay close attention to if we want to make world PvP as entertaining as it once was. I’m talking about faction imbalance on certain realms (where possibly CRZ tech might be able to help out), flying mounts as easy ways to escape danger, and lack of the “I’ll get my revenge soon” feeling with CRZ possibly reducing the chance of the same players seeing each other again. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Icy Veins Christmas Contest
Icy Veins is holding a screenshot contest with some nice prizes, including a signed Collector's Edition of Mists of Pandaria, mounts, pets, AskMrRobot / Curse premium, and more!

All you have to do is take a nice screenshot of your character for the Feast of Winter Veil category, Best Scenery category, or Best Action Shot category. The contest runs until Dec 31st and submissions will be judged over the next few days.



Comics - Dark Legacy Comics #368
DLC #368 reflects on the many years of Warcraft.

This article was originally published in forum thread: World First Heroic Elite 25 Protectors, Heroic Boss Changes, Blue Posts, DLC Comic started by chaud View original post
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  1. MasterHamster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PetersenIII View Post
    You seem to have the common (read: ignorant) understanding that Ganking = PvP. It doesn't. It never has.
    Player A (level 90) attacks Player B (level 30)
    Weird, I'm seeing Player vs Player.

    Just because it's dishonorable and cowardly doesn't mean it's not PvP.

    So goddamn stupid that people are complaining about getting killed on a realm that is supposed to allow such things. Guess that's what PvP turned into when the zones were dead, before CRZ. PvE realm leveling with some occasional pvp in Pandaria. Guess these are the one's who constantly cry in the Jade Forest general chat.

    Roll PvE or deal with it.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Should I ever expect that a Blue post will disagree with the status quo or are they all spineless yes men on board for whatever comes?
    They are PR representatives of a company. They don't have the luxury to speak their minds. If they do they'll have to log onto their normal account and post w/o the blue color.

    @PvP debate: As someone that played on a PvP realm from early BC till end of Wrath I find these ganking discussions quite hilarious. You don't like ganking? go PvE. That's what I have done and my game is 150% more fun now where I don't have to worry about drooling idiots that are too stupid to take on peeps of equal power level and need to bash lowbies for their non existent self esteem.
  1. Freia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by chaud View Post
    Their armory only lists the same 5 versions that we have.
    Armory also doesn't show what you have upgraded and for the longest time and possibly still showed dreadful as the unnerfed version(464 epic). Don't trust armory.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    OMG look at that recount... it's over 200.000 !
    166K shadow priest? No way in hell that's single target DPS. That guy probably used multidot hoping to get more FDCL procs. Maybe the mages did something similar.

    Dark Legacy is pretty epic this time.
  1. Raynette's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    166K shadow priest? No way in hell that's single target DPS. That guy probably used multidot hoping to get more FDCL procs. Maybe the mages did something similar.
    You have a stacking buff that increases your damage by 10% (stacks 9 times).
    You don't multidot on this fight, it's only single target (except for the little adds you have to kill)
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    You don't multidot on this fight, it's only single target (except for the little adds you have to kill)
    It actually depends on your gear and tactics, but it can be beneficial to multidot to get more Mind Spike procs.
    http://www.howtopriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2425

    However I prefer Mindbender + Twist of Fate, because I'm a lazy SoB... :<
  1. Paraclef's Avatar
    They have higher ilevel loot and no sharelock with 10 mans and 25 mans... you can't compare, it's not the same game....
  1. Jtbrig7390's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vasilisa View Post
    Grats for being first among asian guilds. Their ranking should remain sperate since they have 2x lockouts each week (aka 2x loot) and a bit increased difficulty in 25 man (8% health and dmg).
    Ok then paragon should not be world first because there a 10man guild and should be counted for the 10man bracket only. Give it up really a world first kill is a world first kill simple as that don't like it o well the fact still stands its a world first kill.

    Unless there was a exploit done then it is a clean world first kill.
    "before its said class stacking is not a exploit"

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-18 at 01:57 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Paraclef View Post
    They have higher ilevel loot and no sharelock with 10 mans and 25 mans... you can't compare, it's not the same game....
    Read what I quoted the other guy above its for you as well.
  1. Kuja's Avatar
    I wouldn't consider this world first if they are 8 ilvl above the rest of the world ._. 8 ilvls can make the difference.
  1. brirrspliff's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Ok then paragon should not be world first because there a 10man guild and should be counted for the 10man bracket only. Give it up really a world first kill is a world first kill simple as that don't like it o well the fact still stands its a world first kill.
    uhm? that's exactly what's happening. method got the world first kill. paragon only got 10 man world first, which is also good.

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-18 at 03:06 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuja View Post
    I wouldn't consider this world first if they are 8 ilvl above the rest of the world ._. 8 ilvls can make the difference.
    exactly. since blizzard changed the asian wow, we can't compare anymore. also, they clear 2x per week, not 1x like we do.
  1. ent0mbed's Avatar
    Dark Legacy telling it like it is! LOL. World of Bitchcraft since September 3rd, 2001 (that's a day after the games announcement if you're looking for the significance). ;-P
  1. Paraclef's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Ok then paragon should not be world first because there a 10man guild and should be counted for the 10man bracket only.
    Irrelevant.

    10 man and 25 man /=. You think Paragon is a normal 10 mans guild... 95 % of the 10 mans guilds have inferior skills.... 25 mans is dedication.

    Most of people who have played top world or at least 1000 th world, three years ago, have stopped the game... the new " generation " isn't as good.

    Thanks to GC the crapmam. 10 is irrelevant.

    And finally, I don't care about your " clean " things..... it's not the same rule, it's not the same game /fact.

    Why no sharelock just for asians ?.... 3.3 isn't so far.
  1. Abyssion's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by brirrspliff View Post
    uhm? that's exactly what's happening. method got the world first kill. paragon only got 10 man world first, which is also good.

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-18 at 03:06 PM ----------


    exactly. since blizzard changed the asian wow, we can't compare anymore. also, they clear 2x per week, not 1x like we do.
    WHat? You're an idiot.. Paragon got the kill before method, thus THEY ARE WORLD FIRST, plain and simple.. all you stupid 25 mans are true world first kill are such BS people.

    Deal with it, world first, is world first.
  1. Tirosh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Abyssion View Post
    WHat? You're an idiot.. Paragon got the kill before method, thus THEY ARE WORLD FIRST, plain and simple.. all you stupid 25 mans are true world first kill are such BS people.

    Deal with it, world first, is world first.
    +10 and that's how it is.
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MacHaggis View Post
    Yet that's what makes pvp servers different. The ability to attack any other player.
    Don't like it? Don't roll a toon on a pvp server, then complain people are attacking you: It's your own damn choice.
    His next argument should be that you can only attack another faction if there are ten players from each side prepared to fight. If you want to attack a single player, you have to do something like drop a big banner.. and they must agree to fight you... Because, you know, that is the only ´real´ pvp..

    ---------- Post added 2012-12-18 at 03:11 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuja View Post
    I wouldn't consider this world first if they are 8 ilvl above the rest of the world ._. 8 ilvls can make the difference.
    And their bosses have more health and do more damage...
  1. aoha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    And their bosses have more health and do more damage...
    That's quite the argument. So 8% = 8iLvls?

    What worries me more on the other hand is the amount of disc priest / ranged dps stacking...
  1. Amex's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Paraclef View Post
    You think Paragon is a normal 10 mans guild... 95 % of the 10 mans guilds have inferior skills.
    95%? More like 100%. They are number one, by definition no other 10 man guilds have superior skills.
  1. Darthballz's Avatar
    We got world firsts and now I think we need speed kill world firsts. Between "X" n "X" time who can clear the raid the quickest. Add an option to see how much time was spent in the raid for that week. After the nerfs come then lock the leaderboard. Put the leaderboard on the main WoW site so people can oogle.
  1. Fnx-'s Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Darthballz View Post
    We got world firsts and now I think we need speed kill world firsts. Between "X" n "X" time who can clear the raid the quickest. Add an option to see how much time was spent in the raid for that week. After the nerfs come then lock the leaderboard. Put the leaderboard on the main WoW site so people can oogle.
    I like your taste
  1. SinR's Avatar
    its kinda sad that sites like Guildox or wowprogress won't count Heroic Elite Protectors as "Progression" even though it was the final challenge of this raid tier.

    Now, if the Europeans or the Americans got it first, it probably WOULD count as progression and we'd potentially see a new number one in the world... but... oh well.

    back to SWTOR, I guess

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