MMO-Champion - LFR Drop Rates, Defense of the Alehouse, 5.2 LFR Item Level Requirement, Blue Posts
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Update: Commander Oxheart was hotfixed to sell the legendary gems and Eye of the Black Prince for characters that are already eligible.

Patch 5.2 - Increased Drop Rates in 5.0 LFR
It seems that the LFR drop rates will be increased for the current Patch 5.0 LFR content once Patch 5.2 is released.



Defense of the Alehouse
It appears that Defense of the Alehouse may be the DotA style battleground that is under development. It looks like many of the buildings are placeholders, so keep in mind this is still a very early preview.

It is unlikely this battleground will be in Patch 5.2, as the last official word was that it still needed new tech. Also, see the below tweet from Ghostcrawler that was in response to existing quiver models, but also applies to this preview.







Patch 5.2 - LFR Item Level Requirement
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Just checked out the PTR, and there's an ilvl486 requirement to enter the new LFR.

Now, there's no new 5 mans to buff our ilvl, so for non-raiders... exactly how are we supposed to reach this without PvP when the current LFRs drop 476 and 483s? Am I missing something here? Do you expect non-raiders to spend months (to the point the raid after thunder king is released) getting valor to buy that gear for ilvl?

I know it's PTR, and it might just be inflated for testing purposes, but it seems a bit weird that you would place the ilvl requirement for the new raid above the ilvl of the gear that drops in the previous LFR.

I think you've hit the nail on the head by saying it's a PTR. That's the most important thing to remember. We'll do our best to keep you informed on where we end up with the item level for the Raid Finder when we can.

With some of the really unpopular changes being pushed from the PTR to the live realms, there's a feeling by several of us in the community that if we don't speak up (and speak up a lot) over things that we greatly dislike.... Then it'll go live.

We know it's the PTR, but realistically... I don't think we'd be having the level of conversation concerning it if it had even been 483. (A much more realistic number as this is the Ilevel for the current LFR drops.)

The other frustrating part is that several of the people saying this isn't a big deal don't seem to understand that the requirement works off an average. Not simply having one piece at that point. There seems to be a lack of understanding with how this system actually works.

Completely understood and we do want people to speak up about their experiences or thoughts as long as they remember to remain constructive, (which you have.) My post wasn't meant as a, "OK stop talking now." It was just meant as a way of conveying that it is still PTR and things could have the potential to change. Please feel free to continue to discuss though.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Eye of the Black Prince Issue
There’s currently no way to obtain an additional Eye of the Black Prince, and we’re aware it can create a situation where people are deterred from wanting to upgrade their items. That’s not the intent, we want you to use it and enjoy the upgrade then and there, and so we’re looking into a way for players to obtain additional sockets similar to how you can purchase additional legendary gems. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

WoW City Sizes
Because they are really just a representation. Having all the villages, towns etc their *proper* sizes would make them massive ingame.
Pretty much this. Massive in-game towns and cities can become tedious and annoying real fast in MMORPGs because of the increased travel distances they cause... you already spend a lot of time travelling around in WoW (and other games like it), so if everything from small towns to huge continents were redone so that everything has realistic proportion and size, you would need enormous amounts of time just to travel from place to place.

Towns and cities may look really awesome and have the perfect atmosphere if they are of realistic size in games (I personally know this from other MMORPGs I have played(Yes, I enjoyed playing them)), but it is annoying to be in them because you always have a lot of running to do even for the simplest tasks that are supposed to be quick... long runs between vendors, quest NPCs, banks, AHs, and other points of interest. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
UI / Addons
Could a role selection (DPS etc), be implemented on the calendar when players sign up for events? Would make life easier!
Yes, we'd like to add that. (Source)

What exactly is your stance regarding that? There are a lot of addons that could vastly improve the glyph interface.
Philosophically, we have no problem with customization, just automation. Would like to allow former while protecting the latter. (Source)

Please stop being so restrictive about the Glyph/Talent UI. It's driving people nuts, I loathe the moment I have to change!
Philosophically, we don't want automating talent or glyph swaps. Once it's easy to reglyph every pull, players feel like they must. (Source)
I'm sorry did you just say you use "bugs" to prevent reglyphing every pull? Or misunderstood Znuff's tweet?
I said we want to be very careful about the degree to which we let players automate talent or gylph swapping. (Source)
improve the glyph interface? it's already wickedly easy to use and simple. some players and their addon addictions
Philosophically, we're okay with players changing the UI. We just want to protect against too much automation. (Source)

Ever thought about adding a UI feature/option that displayed character health as number & percentage, instead of either/or?
Yes, and you should be able to try it out in 5.2. (Source)

Hey who makes those icons for all the spells and abilities? I love those icon art!
The art team shares the work. Good icons are hard to do so it's amazing they can make so many. (Source)

can you guys improve the BM AH UI sometime down the road? I just lost 25k gold thinking i bid on a mount but it didn't.
Is it the "hot deals" button that throws people off? (Source)
It's confusion between trying to bid on a short/ending and having your money automatically go to hot deal.
We can just have one bid button. I think that is in the works for 5.2. (Source)

Reputation / Questing
Why are dungeon tabards a mistake? Alot of people WANT them back so that they are not forced into doing dalies.
Let me put it this way: What if dungeon tabards gave Honor, then you wouldn't have to PvP either? (Source)

Rep Tabards weren't a mistake, removing them was. They allowed multiple ways to get rep, which was great if you hate dailies.
Today, gear can come from dungeons, reps, raiding, PvP or crafting. (Source)
They allowed dungeons to give rep, valor and purples, making them the only real option. (Source)

Not sure if you're the guy, but 5.1 rep grind was great. It didn't feel like a grind. You wanted to progress the story.
We agree. It felt more reasonable. (Source)
You should not send people into enemy hubs in PVE dailies. You should not put PVP objectives in a PVE zone
Why? (Source)

But endless rep grinding is an artificial way of trying to prolong an exp. It's not fun, it's boring busy-work
None of those reps are anything you absolutely must have, and by "endless" aren't we really talking about a few weeks? (Source)
Not required? No profession recipes or valor gear if I don't. More than one character. Game shouldn't feel like a job.
I think you mean "I want to get ALL the recipes." You don't need e.g. Royal Satchel or Gloves of Creation. (Source)

Will we ever need the extra Sigils from the legendary questline once we've completed the quest? Or can we trash them safely?
Trash away (unless you're a compulsive packrat). (Source)

Like dailies now? They suck, but provided the most efficient way to grind Valor/rep unlike Mech there is no alternative
Raids, dungeons, scenarios and challenge modes offer a pretty good alternative for valor generation. How bad do you need the rep? (Source)

Ghostcrawler - Getting in to the Gaming Industry
Ghostcrawler's first longer than 140 character post in a few months was a reply to an eight year old that wants to get in to the gaming industry. He included some advice that was relevant to everyone!

This article was originally published in forum thread: LFR Drop Rates, Defense of the Alehouse, 5.2 LFR Item Level Requirement, Blue Posts started by chaud View original post
Comments 92 Comments
  1. JThelen's Avatar
    Ignore the post about 5.2 ilvl requirement and go read through GC's twitter more, ya'll. He posted yesterday that it's not set in stone yet, so 486 may well not be the requirement. Frankly, as someone who has run a hell of a lot of LFR, and has a boatload of upgrades from there, 486 is steep.
  1. Shadee's Avatar
    I guess this is another example of people whining enough to blizz and they change something. GG
  1. Yig's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing Turkey View Post
    I was keeping an eye on that post by the 8 year olds mum, was pleasantly surprised to see Ghostcrawler respond, shows you that they do care about their customers, a very info packed post too, hopefully it helps all those out there that are looking to get into the gaming industry!
    Every few years Blizzard makes basically the same post to a parent asking the same question. Chris Metzen had a good one a few years ago.

    When I was 8 years old I was writing companies myself about action figures I wanted to see produced and I sent them fully drawn out diagrams.
  1. Edlarel's Avatar
    @Yig - I did the same thing! Did they send you the letters saying that they couldn't legally use your ideas? I was a little disappointed after sending in a pad of my ideas to Hasbro for Transformers and Beast Wars. I think they eventually did use some, though, because I've seen familiar toys pop up over the last decade or so.

    On topic, it'll be nice to see more regular drops from LFR after 5.2. I have a priest, mage, and DK up and coming that'll need it.
  1. Heline's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    I don't see what upping the drop chances will change when the big problem will still be that the waiting times for the old LFR raids will be atrocious in 5.2.
    The biggest problem is that there are 5 different LFRs and that splits up the players. Even now i have to wait 40 minutes as a DPS and 10-15 minutes as a healer the day after the resets, once 5.2 hits and only alts will do them you will never see one open up. Since even if there are 15 healers interested any given time there are probably 3 queing up for Mogu 1, 2 for Mogu2, 3 for HoF1, 4 for HoF2 and 3 for Terrace.
    That won't work.
    Agreed.
    Instead of queing for a specific LFR, there needs to be a way to specify which LFRs you want to queue for, e.g., Mogu 2, HoF 2 and Terrace, like you can specify which role(s) you want to do.
  1. Synstir's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    I don't think you've done this dailies at all.
    I have done them..... and there is no real story in the 5.1 dailies.
    August celestials is just fighting some dudes to train...... gl, i don't see any story going there also... at some point you get the weapons of the thunderking, but how that is linked to the dailies before that, beats me.
    Klaxxi, just a lot of killing..... untill exalted... no progress in any story.

    The 5.2 ones, yeah there I have a sense of some progression.
  1. Maxilian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bruin View Post
    You mean the BG that directly above it in the post has the statement that it is in its early stages, unlikely to see 5.2, and is still very much a work in progress, *that* BG?
    yeah i think he´s talking about THAT BG
  1. Synstir's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by val1984 View Post
    Agreed.
    Instead of queing for a specific LFR, there needs to be a way to specify which LFRs you want to queue for, e.g., Mogu 2, HoF 2 and Terrace, like you can specify which role(s) you want to do.
    That choice is there already, always have been.

    I see the issue of long queue-times also..... the way it will be done, they are dividing the player-base in tiers.
    This will cause long waiting times... I hope they have a solution for that.
    Unfortunately we don't have much information yet.... I am also worried about the lockout. Even with increased droprates, only being able to run it 1/week doesn't seem like a good idea.
    Lets wait and see what else they have to share in the near future.
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synstir View Post
    I have done them..... and there is no real story in the 5.1 dailies.
    August celestials is just fighting some dudes to train...... gl, i don't see any story going there also... at some point you get the weapons of the thunderking, but how that is linked to the dailies before that, beats me.
    Klaxxi, just a lot of killing..... untill exalted... no progress in any story.

    The 5.2 ones, yeah there I have a sense of some progression.
    Then you haven't done the quests unlocked by reaching reputation milestones for Shieldwall/DO.
  1. Joán's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synstir View Post
    That choice is there already, always have been.
    No, this choice is not there and never has been. You need to queue for one specific LFR section and not like you can queue for dungeons (with checkboxes or all of the above).
  1. Asphyxiate9's Avatar
    The bg looks nice but I think people should avoid expecting it to be 5 v 5, more like 10v10. Maybe blizzard will surprise me though
  1. The Ogdru Jahad's Avatar
    Posts like what GC did for the 8 year old kid really show he's a good guy. Idk why everyone hates on GC, he takes a lot of shit for nothing. He knows what he's doing, he wants what the players want, a good game.
  1. LazarusLong's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synstir View Post
    I have done them..... and there is no real story in the 5.1 dailies.
    August celestials is just fighting some dudes to train...... gl, i don't see any story going there also... at some point you get the weapons of the thunderking, but how that is linked to the dailies before that, beats me.
    Klaxxi, just a lot of killing..... untill exalted... no progress in any story.

    The 5.2 ones, yeah there I have a sense of some progression.
    Seriously?

    Celestials, yes, there is only story with your "rival" and lots of messages from Telonious and Chi-Ji.

    Golden Lotus culminates into epic battle.

    Klaxxi - you have to free all Paragons and it's battle at the end, again. And revelation about Old Gods connection.

    And you have amazing long story for 5.1 factions. You either fail at trolling, or not playing WoW.
  1. Heline's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synstir View Post
    That choice is there already, always have been.
    I think I didn't make myself clear enough
    What I wanted to say was that they should let us queue for multiple LFRs at once.
    Like for example, I queue for Mogu 2, HoF 2 and Terrace and whichever group is full first pops (let's say HoF 2 is full first).
    And then I queue again for Mogu 2 and Terrace at once and this time Mogu 2 pops and I'll only have Terrace remaining left to do.
    This would not completely remove fragmentation of players queuing but it would reduce it a bit at least.
  1. Puntar's Avatar
    If Blizz want players to explore the world why then not making rep tabards work on normal mobs in world zones? Like Argent Dawn in vaniila?
  1. Gilian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    I don't see what upping the drop chances will change when the big problem will still be that the waiting times for the old LFR raids will be atrocious in 5.2.
    The biggest problem is that there are 5 different LFRs and that splits up the players. Even now i have to wait 40 minutes as a DPS and 10-15 minutes as a healer the day after the resets, once 5.2 hits and only alts will do them you will never see one open up. Since even if there are 15 healers interested any given time there are probably 3 queing up for Mogu 1, 2 for Mogu2, 3 for HoF1, 4 for HoF2 and 3 for Terrace.
    That won't work.
    You know what the real problem is? Players are getting used to 10 minute queues and now anything longer makes them rage and quit while if you are in the queue for 45 minutes for the piss easy LFR which you finish extremely fast and gives you very good loot it's still superior to pugging normal raids.

    An hour long queue sucks but it is still better than the alternative. Making previous tiers irrelevant although they are still a lot of fun to do just to increase queue times is a big mistake. They already made this mistake years ago with normal raids by giving everyone badge gear to solve the problem of players not being able to catch up. Now they have LFR as catch up mechanic which is a lot more fun than just spamming heroics for JP/VP gear and I don't think we should ruin this for the sake of convenience AGAIN. They better come up with another solution to decrease queue times maybe a technical solution instead of one that influence gameplay.

    This will help a little:
    I think I didn't make myself clear enough
    What I wanted to say was that they should let us queue for multiple LFRs at once.
    Like for example, I queue for Mogu 2, HoF 2 and Terrace and whichever group is full first pops (let's say HoF 2 is full first).
    And then I queue again for Mogu 2 and Terrace at once and this time Mogu 2 pops and I'll only have Terrace remaining left to do.
    This would not completely remove fragmentation of players queuing but it would reduce it a bit at least.
  1. fangless's Avatar
    If they QQ about it, it will come.

    Why didn't players just demand to get the full LFR set from T14 in their mailboxes after 5.2 comes out, they would of got it.
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fangless View Post
    If they QQ about it, it will come.

    Why didn't players just demand to get the full LFR set from T14 in their mailboxes after 5.2 comes out, they would of got it.
    It's actually funny how the complaining has shifted from "Free purples for all!" to "We need more purples!".
  1. dannypoos's Avatar
    That BG could be fucking amazin if they do it right
  1. Cerebrate's Avatar
    Like dailies now? They suck, but provided the most efficient way to grind Valor/rep unlike Mech there is no alternative
    Raids, dungeons, scenarios and challenge modes offer a pretty good alternative for valor generation. How bad do you need the rep? (Source)
    Is that serious? If you don't grind the rep the valor is worthless to any fresh 90s.

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