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WoW Down to 9.6 Million Subscribers
Activision Blizzard's press release states that World of Warcraft is down to 9.6 million subscribers as of December 31, 2012. This is lower than the amount of subscribers from the "over 10 million" announced for Q3 2012. A few other interesting points:

  • Mists of Pandaria was the #3 best-selling PC game at retail.
  • Diablo III was the #1 best-selling PC game at retail, breaking PC-game sales records with more than 12 million copies sold worldwide through December 31, 2012.
This article was originally published in forum thread: WoW Down to 9.6 Million Subscribers started by chaud View original post
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  1. Xihuitl's Avatar
    maybe this will result in Bliz devs getting off their ego train, and stop trying to force players to play the content they want to......that dailies-rep thing was totally retarded.

    then again, not sure what they could really do, after cata, to get it so wrong again in MoP, most of the people I know who quit, swear they wont ever go back no matter what, and have moved on to cheaper and arguably better games.

    Still, its not like 9.6mil is the brink of death is it?
  1. Xilurm's Avatar
    You know it kinda sucks that I didn't play from the beggining. The only dungeons I got to experience before LFD were Deadmines, Wailing Caverns and Scholomance.

    Yeah yeah I know some people say it was hard to do 523648726429 quests in order to get attuned but it makes you feel more unique that way. Not to mention now that CRZ is here the point of servers is gone. This is the exact same reason I moved to Silvermoon EU. My server was somewhat "dead" and with CRZ it felt alive again. There was a problem though. Those players were not from my realm and they could honestly not give a single fuck about me or anyone else outside their realm.

    So even though I never played before 3.3 at cap level, I really really want them to make Titan and never put LFD/LFR or CRZ.
  1. anyaka21's Avatar
    people said that subs would go up once MoP was released. I guess not
  1. Flimsy's Avatar
    Just goes to show how big WoW is though other competitors would love 500k subs never mind 9.6m.
  1. Gendou's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Farora View Post
    500k is huge, especially considering the 10 million number is hugely inflated. The 500k loss has to be in Europe/US, so a big deal.
    Morhaime specifically mentioned on the conference call that the subscriber loss was in China.
  1. hunteromg's Avatar
    500k is huge. its new xpack and allready 500k ppl left
  1. Vulcanasm's Avatar
    Gee, maybe overtuned raids are the *wrong* thing to do...
  1. Jtbrig7390's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesovr View Post
    I have been reading posts like these since wrath took a sub hit.
    Funny because wrath never took a sub hit. The subs did not start dropping until cata released and it sold over 3million copy's at its release.

    At the start of MOP "not counting release" MOP has already lost 400k subs there is a good chance now that threw the rest of mops life it will lose more subs.

    Personally I feel wow will have 8 million or less subs at the end of MOP if it keeps up this rate it will be a lot more.


    What I find funny is that people where blaming the sub drops at the end of CATA due to no new content for so long and yet this early in MOP's life when there is a decent amount of content and just recently released raids there is 50% drop to what cata had in 4.3

    People can over look it if they want but WOW has finally reached that point where they milked the MMORPG market and people are leaving.

    Now will WOW die I personally say no but it will get to a point "and it started in CATA" that where will lose subs until it lowers to a base number and sits around it for quite some time.

    "Before anymore comments about WOTLK WOTLK had the most high sub count in WOW history and even with ICC being out a year still got 500k subs at the end of it"

    The Difference in WOW then and NOW with subs is that any sub that left back then 2 took its place and now for every sub that mite come in 2 are leaving.


    To be clear once more there was no noticeable SUB lose in WOTLK it started with CATA.

    Don't believe me google the sub reports and see for yourself.
  1. dahorst's Avatar
    there has been a bigger decline in asia compared to eu/us?
    huh, that's surprising...seems like lol is spreading its reach even to wow players
  1. Immitis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    You know it kinda sucks that I didn't play from the beggining. The only dungeons I got to experience before LFD were Deadmines, Wailing Caverns and Scholomance.

    Yeah yeah I know some people say it was hard to do 523648726429 quests in order to get attuned but it makes you feel more unique that way. Not to mention now that CRZ is here the point of servers is gone. This is the exact same reason I moved to Silvermoon EU. My server was somewhat "dead" and with CRZ it felt alive again. There was a problem though. Those players were not from my realm and they could honestly not give a single fuck about me or anyone else outside their realm.

    So even though I never played before 3.3 at cap level, I really really want them to make Titan and never put LFD/LFR or CRZ.
    crz is probably going to be integral to titan however its to soon to assume it would even have dungeons at this point considering all we know about it is that its very casual and made to be a drop in drop out type of experience and might have ingame ads and be connected to facebook
  1. Tharkkun's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraksas View Post
    I think what he means is the 'Chinese farmers' who mostly have more than 1 account
    The China farmers don't buy accounts. They compromise idiots who don't secure their accounts/computers and use them to farm. Buying accounts is a losing game when they can find fully geared max level players to use.
  1. kojinshugi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    They have failed alot of their former players with very poor choises in the past 3 years. LFR for example is a total insult for ppl that want to do raiding - but are unable to spend 20-30 hours per week in normal raids.
    30 hours per week doing normals? Lol?

    Are you RP walking backwards from trash pull to trash pull?
  1. adrii021's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    Now subtract the gold farmers, bots, and multiboxing accounts... what's the number then?
    wait are they playing for free? are they not playing the game?

    stupid who cares what and when a subscription is a subscription its not rocket science. Even multiboxers pay x 40 or how many accounts you have stupid.

    Go back to your cave troll


    ITS OVER 9 MILLION!!!
  1. Zokten's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    everquest 2 also had a sub for a while too. i dont see how this is in anyway proving your point
    Beyond the fact they switched from saying "subscribers" to "people have played"

    Quote Originally Posted by kojinshugi View Post
    D3 is far from dead. It's not the game to end all games that people expected, but the vast majority of those 12 million buyers are not hardcore D2 veterans who are disappointed in an originally shallow endgame grind. It still has a healthy playerbase, and it sold 12 million copies.
    The numbers people have posted of people playing D3 don't look so hot though.
  1. Tharkkun's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zox2 View Post
    A lot of my friends actually came back to wow recently, so I feel a somewhat opposite trend. I do believe that MoP is the best expansion so far, it has waaaay more stuff to do than I actually have time for, and the content is pretty fun for me. They seem to be able to keep to their timetable so far, so things are looking pretty good from my perspective.
    I came back in January after nearly a year so I'm another +1.
  1. zox2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    no, thats just what alot of companies make as dlc because their greedy. dlc means downloadable content, expansion means an expansion of content. both mean the same thing just because some companies choose to charge you for new outfits doesnt mean thats all dlc is
    This is why I love the borderlands 2 season pass. It's priced as an expansion, but you get it in smaller chunks.
  1. Frozenshiva's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Love very often turns to hate. Many of the haters once loved the game and hate to see it in its current state.
    I find it hard to believe. People who actually LOVE something , learn to find a way to work the differences or at least try hard to make it work somehow.
    Most complaints don't look like love to me. They're infatuation at best. That never lasts.

    But then again, these days words are thrown around so easily, feelings, emotions, meanings... they mean nothing.

    As far as I'm concerned, its the love for games that define and shape gamers.
    Everyone else is just another person playing a game for any other reason but.

    Just like all those half-assed "pro-football players" back in school/college. How happy they were to brag with their pro-skills.... None of them became pro...

    I guess the moral of this story is..
    People have a bigger bark than they have bite. And i find it difficult to take them seriously as they are just setting themselves up for ruin.
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcanasm View Post
    Gee, maybe overtuned raids are the *wrong* thing to do...
    Send the nubs to LFR is not quite working ye.... Sadly BLizz has locked so many players out of normal raids based on difficulty thats its total disgrace. And their answer....? NERF the content AFTER 5.2....

    Less than 3% of the playerbase have finished NORMAL mode raid content. Thats how badly the game is overtuned and pointless atm.
  1. Mall Security's Avatar
    I thought it would be 2 million, so not nearly as bad as i thought, but the year just began and they dont have any more expansion just released to rely on. Next report i am guessing clost to 2 million drop, and probably 3 million by the end of the year left.
  1. kojinshugi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zokten View Post
    The numbers people have posted of people playing D3 don't look so hot though.
    What numbers are these? I'm quite sure Blizzard doesn't release subscriber numbers for D3, what with D3 not having subscription.

    All I know is that the economy is doing fine whenever I pop in and play. Things sell fast and there's plenty of stuff available.

    And for all its co-op stuff, D3 is not an MMO. It's a glorified single player game. It doesn't need to retain millions of active players years after its release. In fact, it's better for Blizzard not to have to deal with launch-level numbers for years.

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