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WoW Down to 9.6 Million Subscribers
Activision Blizzard's press release states that World of Warcraft is down to 9.6 million subscribers as of December 31, 2012. This is lower than the amount of subscribers from the "over 10 million" announced for Q3 2012. A few other interesting points:

  • Mists of Pandaria was the #3 best-selling PC game at retail.
  • Diablo III was the #1 best-selling PC game at retail, breaking PC-game sales records with more than 12 million copies sold worldwide through December 31, 2012.
This article was originally published in forum thread: WoW Down to 9.6 Million Subscribers started by chaud View original post
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  1. Archidamos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Getreuer View Post
    500k is a high number but the game is also getting "old" so it didnt really surprise me.
    You re right. WoW can afford losing another 500k for every single one of the next 15 quarters to reach the sub level of SWTOR at its highest peak! 15 Quarters is almost 4 years...
    Still alarming though, because you cannot guarantee that things will remain at those levels as things are set in motion.
  1. Chuckd's Avatar
    Not even going to get drawn in to "its a dying game" BS. Simple fact is that`s still, 9,599,999 other people for me to play with.
  1. Mauretto's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Darksoldierr View Post
    9,6M? This game is dead.
    Ahaha. You know, most people don't want to understand that a game like this (MMORPG) can be profitable with just 500k subscribers (I don't remember where I read this though). They have about 9.6 million of subscribers, sure, it's dying for real. Come on guys, let's stop the hate and enjoy the game(s). Gaming is having fun not insulting each other.
  1. Chuckd's Avatar
    But I agree about Blizzards stand point these days and there arrogance over dailys and this "we know best, despite outcry" BS.

    Dailys = un-fun

    HC`s = not hard enuff and no reward past jp lvl.

    JP = Useless to pointless to run 5mans

    Charms/Coins = Only from dailys? no from 5 mans aswell please

    No point having x rewards for x gameplay. I should be able to earn the same charms/coins/vp/jp etc no matter what i play be it 5mans/scens/dailys the only factor should be how you obtain them and the rate.

    Likewise if your going to stick us for all these fucking reps, give us the option of tabards, they need to show there able to let us play the way we want and not box us into to these grind fests to artificially lengthen a game that actually now doesnt need it.
  1. Tharkkun's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Myzou View Post
    It's going to continue dropping so long as they believe "they know best" when it comes to reputation and making it near impossible to play alts.
    You mean where you get revered on one character and buy a token which doubles that reputation on your current toon and all future alts? Takes about 1.5-2 weeks to hit revered.
  1. markdall's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dispirit View Post
    i'm more surprised that D3 sales continued to climb so high considering it's reputation.
    Yeah, I won't be buying any of their SC2 or D3 expansions. MOP has nearly managed to lose me from eight years of wow, but not quite.
  1. Mauretto's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Courierrawr View Post
    So what? A decline is a decline, WoW's "golden age" is long over, the game is going to keep losing players, will you still be using that defense when it's down to 3 million players?
    Hoping that this stupid hate will stop it's asking too much I think.
  1. mmines's Avatar
    I don't know how much of that has any correlation to the state of the game rather than long time players just quitting. Every one of the people I saw quit did so because all their friends were starting to quit and so a domino effect happened, saw an entire guild literally die because of this.
  1. Mauretto's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Assumi View Post
    God you fanboys never quit.
    So now liking a game is being a fanboy? I won't even comment further.
  1. markdall's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkkun View Post
    You mean where you get revered on one character and buy a token which doubles that reputation on your current toon and all future alts? Takes about 1.5-2 weeks to hit revered.
    Yeah I mean where I don't play my alts because of their bullshit reputation-gated VP gear. I do in fact mean that, yes. I have one level 90 alt that doesn't run dailies ever. I have 8 other level 85 characters. Well. Two of them are 88 but I've stopped playing them.

    Getting my one alt geared enough to run all the LFRs was hard, took me several weeks since I didn't have the rep to buy the VP gear for it. It was the opposite of fun. Running dailies for rep is not fun. I play this game to have fun. Weird, I know.
  1. stigz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckd View Post
    But I agree about Blizzards stand point these days and there arrogance over dailys and this "we know best, despite outcry" BS.

    Dailys = un-fun

    HC`s = not hard enuff and no reward past jp lvl.

    JP = Useless to pointless to run 5mans

    Charms/Coins = Only from dailys? no from 5 mans aswell please

    No point having x rewards for x gameplay. I should be able to earn the same charms/coins/vp/jp etc no matter what i play be it 5mans/scens/dailys the only factor should be how you obtain them and the rate.

    Likewise if your going to stick us for all these fucking reps, give us the option of tabards, they need to show there able to let us play the way we want and not box us into to these grind fests to artificially lengthen a game that actually now doesnt need it.
    You're an idiot.

    Infracted
  1. Furell's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Azax24 View Post
    500k loss? Looks like WoW is dead oh well goodbye all i will miss you ima go play rift now
    Lol see you in 3 years when Rift will be dead and WoW still has way more then 5 million subs.
  1. Verndroid's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by markdall View Post
    Yeah I mean where I don't play my alts because of their bullshit reputation-gated VP gear. I do in fact mean that, yes. I have one level 90 alt that doesn't run dailies ever. I have 8 other level 85 characters. Well. Two of them are 88 but I've stopped playing them.

    Getting my one alt geared enough to run all the LFRs was hard, took me several weeks since I didn't have the rep to buy the VP gear for it. It was the opposite of fun. Running dailies for rep is not fun. I play this game to have fun. Weird, I know.
    I hate to be "that guy" that always comes along to pat his own back with how great a player he is. But....

    Seriously. I am a very casual player and I still have 4 level 90'ies 3 of which can run the ToES. Getting to 460 ilevel to get into the first LFR is very easy indeed. Buy some 450 crafted gear. Spend an evening chaining heroics and you will get very close to 460 if not way over. In case you are missing just that little bit of ilevel then buy som 476 crafted gear. Quite cheap and easy to come by. With regards to rep you can be at least revered with klaxxi before hitting level 90 and getting honored with the other factions really doesn't take very long.

    Saying that it is hard to get gear for running LFR's is just plain wrong.
  1. glo's Avatar
    A 9 year old game losing small amounts of subscribers over the years. Shocking!

    For all of those attacking each other, shut up. It's an ancient game, people move on, it's to be expected. This isn't a huge revelation to anyone with half a brain.
  1. Hyve's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Deleth View Post
    Doesn't really matter, it's a huge loss of many of those are in Europe/US and will mean a whole less money for them. Grinding Dailys and stuff all day doesn't seem to have been that liked afterall, so people were right that the whole double rep for factions and other things were a saving throw by Blizzard.
    500,000 people don't like the current game model. 9.6 Million do. People quit for thousands of reasons, so I am certain that dailies are in there, but there could also be simple ones, such as work, money issues, bored because they've been playing to long, and many more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Assumi View Post
    God you fanboys never quit.
    Being rational and looking at the statistic for what they really show, is not being a fan boy. 9.6 Million active subscribers is a large number. World of Warcraft could drop down to 5 Million and still be the best game. Many of the people on these forums are critical of Blizzard, so I fail to see how we can be fan boys.
  1. Dingolicious's Avatar
    As someone who has quit a couple months back, I can see why 500k would be lost.

    1) Game doesn't seem as fun, or at least the focus shifting to dailies overload didn't make it fun for me.
    2) People are getting older and having less time for MMOs (Or grinding dailies)
  1. det's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckd View Post
    But I agree about Blizzards stand point these days and there arrogance over dailys and this "we know best, despite outcry" BS.

    Dailys = un-fun

    HC`s = not hard enuff and no reward past jp lvl.

    JP = Useless to pointless to run 5mans

    Charms/Coins = Only from dailys? no from 5 mans aswell please
    ..and you are looking at content (HM) that under 400 guilds could beat if you claim HMs are "too easy". In fact, barely 150 000 people even do HC. Barely 500 000 raid normal modes. The numbers are pretty much the same over the years. Yet 500 000 left the game.

    This cannot add add. THINK for a second and you see it has other reasons. It seems that indeed the only group that stays stable are....the RAIDERS.
  1. Ijanaak's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkkun View Post
    You mean where you get revered on one character and buy a token which doubles that reputation on your current toon and all future alts? Takes about 1.5-2 weeks to hit revered.
    Oh and "10 mans are what everyone wants to do" ... don't forget that lie.
  1. Farora's Avatar
    One upside, Wow is so much a singleplayer game now, that you won't notice less people playing.
  1. Dakara's Avatar
    9.6 is a decline, not a death, but I do agree the trend will continue unless they address certain issues the seem to ignore/be blind too. Regardless however, the game doesn't need X Millions players to be fun.

    My whole argument against the daily flaw (which Blizzard seem blind too) is that dailies aren't fun... they're a chore. Yes, they don't want us to receive all the rewards in one week, I get that, but guess what happens when you've finished all the rep grinds? Shock horror, it's Cata again and there's nothing to do. What's worse, is the dailies have left you feeling disgruntled like you're working a boring 9-5 job you hate, but tolerate simply to pay the bills.

    We can only hope that one day, Blizzard will introduce dynamic content/events to keep is interested. If not that, then perhaps a PvP system that's balanced and isn't so heavily based around what gear you have that more people participate. BG's have so much potential to keep us entertained in the lul between patches, but for most they fall short of the mark.

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