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Patch 5.2 - Preparing to Kill a King (Feb 26th)
It looks like we will see Patch 5.2 on in roughly two weeks, or February 26th, assuming that everything goes well.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
With 5.2 fast approaching I’ve been wanting to get my thoughts together on how I should be playing in the last couple weeks before the patch. Are there any reps I should catch up on; do I need to worry about spending currencies or upgrading items; and just in general what do I need to start doing now to maximize my play time before and after the patch releases? This isn’t going to be earth shattering info to anyone who has been following closely, but hopefully it’s a helpful reference.

So, It’s Like a Seat of Sound?
It’s probably most appropriate to start by talking about the new raid, the Throne of Thunder, as entering and clearing it is the goal for PvE progression. The raid is located on a new island, which can be reached by using a portal found in your faction’s Shado-pan camp on the west coast of Townlong Steppes. When 5.2 releases you’ll automatically receive a quest that will get you there, so no need to write that one down.

As the 5.2 raid Throne of Thunder is one continuous, sprawling dungeon, each difficulty will open in its entirety once unlocked. Normal difficulty will be available the first week, then Heroic the week after. LFR will, as usual, be broken up into sub-sections and those will be releasing over time, likely with the first section opening with Heroic in the second week, and a new section each week afterward. Of course we don’t tend to give out patch release dates ahead of time, because things can slip, but right now we’re targeting the last week of February.

To get into the LFR difficulty of Throne of Thunder you’ll need an item level of 480. A quick way to find your item level is to search for your character in the upper right search bar of WorldofWarcraft.com. Your item level is a big number in the upper right of your character’s profile. You can also see it in-game by expanding the advanced character stats.



The new LFR will require an average ilvl of 480, so get crackin'!

If you’re shy of 480 you’ve got some gearing up to do. There are a few different methods of finding and targeting upgrades. The in-game Dungeon Journal can filter by class and spec, showing you what each boss drops that’s good for you, and is actually a pretty easy and straightforward way to create a shopping list. The one downside is you’re not going to have lists of Valor-purchasable items with the Dungeon Journal to compare against. Likely the most popular strategy is to use item database sites and look for specific items (LFR / Valor / BoE), and arrange by ilvl or source. Askmrrobot.com offers an upgrade list too. I’ve also recently been using their new Find Upgrades feature, which has a bunch of useful options. It’s a premium feature so they do charge for it, but it’s free for the first week or so. If nothing else it can be a good option to just help you clear that 480 hurdle.

Upgrade 'Em While You Got 'Em
Like prior raid tiers we’re down-converting Valor to Justice with the patch. This means any Valor you have before the patch will become Justice, and any Justice over the cap will be converted to gold. There is a difference this time in that current Valor items are not being changed to cost Justice, and instead their cost is just being reduced (25-50%). That means you’re not going to benefit by waiting for the down-conversion to pick up any current Valor items. You’re going to want to strategize spending Valor beforehand, if there’s anything you want to buy with Justice (and there’s new Justice-bought heirlooms coming in 5.2), or maybe even if you want the gold. With both currencies at cap you could make around 1,400 gold with the conversion, so maybe that’s even a consideration. After the patch you’ll need to build Valor back up if you want any Valor items of course, but at a reduced cost it may be an option if you’re still looking to get over that 480 hurdle.

Personally I’m not really looking to pick up any Justice items, so my plan is to spend all of my Valor before the down-conversion, and the next section describes what I’m likely to spend the majority of it on.


You can keep your Valor Points, see this post for more information.

Later Space Mummy
Item upgrades won’t be available in 5.2, so getting those upgrades done before the patch hits is probably a good idea. Upgrades are likely coming back in 5.3 (at least for PvE), but spending the Valor now on upgrading pieces you don’t expect to replace quickly is pretty safe. Of course you could always get that lucky boss drop that completely demolishes your fully upgraded item, but those kinds of situations are par for the course.

This is one place where the Askmrrobot upgrade recommendation tool is pretty helpful for me. The rating on how best to spend Valor is quite useful. I’m over 480 so I’m personally just looking at spending Valor on upgrading my best items now.



Is that a mount!? Can it be a mount!? I want that to be a mount. GIMME DAT MOUNT

Be Less Charming Every Day
Throughout Mists of Pandaria we’ve all been working to collect Lesser Charms of Good Fortune. Once a week there’s a quest to exchange 90 Lesser Charms for 3 Elder Charms. The Elder Charms can then be used to get an additional chance at loot (bonus roll) from raid boss kills. In 5.2 the weekly quest to turn in the Lesser Charms changes, and will instead give you 3 Mogu Runes of Fate. The Mogu Runes of Fate can be used the same way, on bonus rolls, but only in the 5.2 Throne of Thunder raid and on the two new world bosses (Nalak and Oondasta). Elder Charms will still be available for the 5.0 raids, but they’ll instead be dropping from mobs in the new outdoor Thundering Isle zone.

There are a few different ways you can use this information depending on how well you’re geared, and how well geared you want to be before the patch. The new raid will require 480 item level for the LFR, and so if you’re at or above 480 you’re probably wise to just hold on to your Lesser Charms. If not, those bonus rolls may well be the quickest way to getting into the Throne of Thunder.

Personally I’m hanging on to mine. I think spending some Valor is probably the wiser course for getting over the hurdle. I do plan to still be doing dailies in 5.2, but I have enough reps at Exalted now that I don’t expect I’ll be coming across enough Lesser Charms to be overburdened and not working through my stack each week.



I'll just come back when you look like you're in a better mood...

Ketchup
As I briefly mentioned in the Currency Conversion section, 5.0 Valor items are seeing their prices reduced by 50%, and those added with the 5.1 factions (Operation Shieldwall and Dominance Offensive) will see their prices cut by 25%. In addition, the chance to get drops in the 5.0 LFR raids is being greatly increased, including the chance to get an item when using an Elder Charm for a bonus roll. All of this means gearing up alts will be a bit quicker, and if you’re not at that 480 requirement yet it should be pretty fruitful to run those raids for a few more weeks to get you there.

Sounds Like Heavy Metal
This isn’t really anything you can prepare for, but I think it’s at least worth mentioning here. In the Throne of Thunder, the Normal and Heroic raid bosses have a chance to drop an item with a new Thunderforged designation. (Normal / Heroic) Thunderforged items are 6 item levels higher than their standard counterparts. Bonus rolls can award a Thunderforged item (again, only in Normal and Heroic), so probably the only thing to plan for ahead of time is having Lesser Charms ready and waiting to exchange for Mogu Runes of Fate.



♫Said if you want to call me baby, just go ahead now♫ (Two Princes, get it? Ugh just keep reading...)

On Doomed Azeroth, Black Prince Choose You
As we’re all aware, Wrathion, the Black Prince, using his voodoo crystal ball of Black Dragonflight future-sight has determined Azeroth is headed for (more?) doom and despair. To help solve this problem he wants to give you a Legendary item, but only after you’ve gone around terrorizing the world and killing a bunch of people. Fishy. Over the course of each patch he gives you some tasks for new toys, ultimately leading to your very own Legendary item in (presumably) patch 5.4.

This is where things get a bit tricky because, up until this point, everyone has been working to obtain their Sha-Touched weapons, the gem to put into it, and adding a prismatic slot. But in 5.2 the reward veers left, no Sha-touched weapons will drop in the new raid, and the new Wrathion reward is a Legendary meta gem, which leaves your Sha-touched weapon and gem to be replaced by what will certainly be more powerful weapons in the Throne of Thunder. You will still be able to apply the prismatic slot upgrade to 5.2 raid weapons, though.

Considering the prismatic slot is usable on 5.2 raid weapons, my recommendation would be to try to catch up if you haven’t yet, but balance it against other priorities. You’d be pretty lucky to get a weapon drop your first time into the new raid, and if you’re running LFR the raid is broken up into smaller sections which open one at a time each week. So if you have more pressing matters, this is one thing you can continue to work on even after 5.2 releases and probably not be too far behind.



Well at least they don't have robots full of blood. Nevermind.


It's Not a Tabard!
In 5.2 you’ll be able to champion a Mists of Pandaria faction (except for Black Prince) by choosing a new option added to your reputation list (in the same list where you can show that rep as your XP bar). By championing a faction you can earn 750 reputation for the first Heroic dungeon each day, and 325 for the first Scenario. This allows you to augment (or avoid) daily quests with those factions to get to Exalted that much quicker.

In addition, if you have The Tillers at Exalted and all of your farm plots unlocked, you’ll be able to take on a work order each day from one of the various factions (except for Black Prince) which will reward you with additional rep.

The new reputation and quest hub in 5.2 is pretty cool; it unlocks and builds up via server progression a la Isle of Quel’danas. What will be a lot cooler for some of you though is that there are no Valor items associated with the rep. (Alliance / Horde) At least this time around, all the Valor items are tied to a raid reputation, which you can earn even through LFR. It will require boss kills though, so no ICC rep runs.

I know some people are already saying they’re going to stop doing dailies until then. I don’t know; I’m already playing more or less every day, doing a daily hub here and there isn’t going to break my time-bank, and I’m still going to be hitting Exalted quicker than if I was waiting. Up to you, but I’m hoping to have less and less 5.0 content to have to think about once 5.2 hits.

That'll Do, Tree
I think that about does it. You’ll of course want to look at mixing up food and elixirs, and gathering mats for crafted items. There’s also the new the world bosses, but that’s not content you really need to prepare for specifically, at least not to the same extent you need to gear up for a raid dungeon. It may be worth noting though that one of the world bosses, Oondasta, is intended to be crazy-difficult. If you’re not in an organized Heroic-level raid group and teaming up with other Heroic-level raid groups, you’re going to want to stick to the other world boss, Nalak; although, keep in mind Nalak unlocks with the island’s server progression, so it’s something to look forward to. Sha of Anger still has Tier-14 and Season-12 items, so that’s certainly something a lot of people will continue to hit up, and I expect it to stay pretty active even well into the new patch.

Let’s open it up to your comments! How are you planning and preparing for 5.2? Did I miss something? Any tips or tricks on how to maximize your time as you progress?

Thanks for reading, may all your bonus rolls be BiS, and I’ll see you in-game!

Micah “Bashiok” Whipple is a Community Manager for World of Warcraft and thinks you’re just the bees knees. It’s worth mentioning though that he’s deathly afraid of bees, as well as various types of pivotal hinges.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.2 - Preparing to Kill a King started by chaud View original post
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  1. mikencarly's Avatar
    nice info!
  1. Suzushiiro's Avatar
    I get that it'd be a little awkward to link a competing site directly, but it'd be nice if you had the common fucking decency to point out that you edited the post rather than present it as if that's what they originally said.
  1. chaud's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Isilbêth View Post
    I don't understand clearly what the new system is going to be after patch 5.2.
    Will VP continue to be given for daly quests on Pandaria (i.e. Lotus, Pandashan, and other factions) or will there be no VP points at all for any daliy quest (including quests in the new "a la Isle of Quel’danas") ?
    Yes, those quests and the new quests still give Valor.
  1. Asphyxiate9's Avatar
    if you think you have to raid normals to do the next LFR you are over reacting, i've hit 480 just fine without a single normal/heroic piece.
  1. Aberration's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by orangelemonrain View Post
    if you think you have to raid normals to do the next LFR you are over reacting, i've hit 480 just fine without a single normal/heroic piece.
    This. My monk is sitting at 486 and has never stepped foot into a normal or heroic. All LFR and Valor. got 496 legs off of Sha also.
  1. azurrei's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by atrixx View Post
    Keep in mind, the progression when discussing the 470ish ilvl is going to be LFR to LFR.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-11 at 10:36 PM ----------



    Yeah the higher ilvl from T15 LFR very well could be the big problem. I would have no issue scaling it back to equal or be just below Heroic T14 gear.
    What?

    Heroic MSV : 502
    Heroic HOF/ToES: 509

    T15 LFR already is equal to or just below T14 heroic gear...
  1. maniac2009's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by quikbunny View Post
    They really should consider upping the droprates of the T14 LFR gear this reset rather than in 5.2. I know a few players that are coming back in 5.2, but they are nowhere near the required ilvl for the new LFR, it would give them a reason to resub early.
    So you're saying they want to walk into content without putting in the effort? Sounds like they should remain unsubbed.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-12 at 03:21 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by KoolKidKaos View Post
    Ugh need more time to upgrade stuff! WTF Blizzard
    5-6 months wasn't long enough?

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-12 at 03:30 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by atrixx View Post
    I agree. It doesn't have to be a lot of rep, but on one of my characters I've had horrible luck with drop rates. I also refuse to do dailies on an alt. My options for upgrades are pretty limited and I have almost maxed valor with nothing to show for it (I'm not going to bother upgrading a bunch of blues - I'd rather take the gold payout). Would like to see some amount of rep earned per boss kill - say 250 to 500.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-11 at 07:22 PM ----------



    Note I said BC-like, not a BC clone. It is modified to be a blend of old BC and some newer styles. I think the biggest flaw with everything is ilvl. People see bigger ilvl and immediately go for it. However, if we look at the LFR layout. You still need ilvl 480 to get into T15 LFR. You aren't going to be able to hit that, in most cases, without doing some T14 raiding. That's no different than people having to gear up through Kara/Gruul/Mag before hitting SSC/TK. Heck a lot of people couldn't even beat Kael and Vashj before farming MH a bit.

    I think we still have the same "choose your own pace" currently that BC had. I think it is mainly in the player's mind that they have to rush through content and get to that next level or they aren't doing it right. I'm not sure if there is anything that can be done to stop that outside of going back to attunements. So I don't agree that T14 is instantly invalid. If you are in a guild that has no problem carrying a person through that never bothered to get T15 Raiding appropriate gear, that is obviously not playing as intended. That is like taking a new person into BT when it came out as soon as they hit 70 just to gear them out. When most people would at least hit up T4 and some T5 content (not to mention nasty badge gear which arrived around then too).

    Any guild who is choosing to stick to the progression and not bail on T14 and going on to T15 is playing at their own pace, not playing stupid. Not everyone is in the race to the end. Today's society of instant gratification is so annoying. You also see that though with the younger crowd moving into this game replacing those of us that are getting older that have been around since the beginning of time. It still comes down to player choice.
    I prefer the BC model far more than anything else they've come up with since. It was most of an entire expansion thought out and planned well with a progress at your own pace progression model. I disagree with the badge gear being 'ugly'. It was nearing the end of the expansion so it was good place to have a way to catch up on gear.

    It does seem there's a little more old-school feel to their 5.2 ideas but it won't please everyone. I'm glad they aren't converting valor to justice for once. At least this keeps the existing raid content reasonably relevant until 5.3 when they will possibly have a dungeon catch-up (guessing).
  1. RedMosquito's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bullshot View Post
    It's kinda hilarious that you replaced Wowhead with Wowdb in the post.
    If by "hilarious" you mean "unethical," then I agree.

    A simple disclaimer stating why they can't link to wowhead would have sufficed. Changing and saying nothing at all is just low.
  1. Pacster's Avatar
    I'd love to see a nice summary which bosses will drop what and which bosses will be released first. So we get an idea which items we should upgrade cause we won't get a chance to see any new LFR-stuff in certain slots for quite some weeks.
    It would be crap if you can choose between two possible items to upgrade and then figure out that the first boss in 5.2 already drops better things in the slot you chose.
  1. JajaBongs's Avatar
    I have heard there will not be heroic testing to become more challenging

    also, this patch sounds absolutely fantastic
  1. robotsdontcry's Avatar
    Are some people seriously bitching that the time between content patches is too short?
  1. voskopoula's Avatar
    seriously? we spent so much time on the sha-touched weapons, most of us were hoping to evole that weapon to legendary and you will force us too replace it with 5.2 epic weapon? Seriously? what is going on? i remember a blue post saying that sha-touched weapons would be on a legendary chain and they would evolve on each patch. Am i right guys?
  1. Quilzar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by voskopoula View Post
    seriously? we spent so much time on the sha-touched weapons, most of us were hoping to evole that weapon to legendary and you will force us too replace it with 5.2 epic weapon? Seriously? what is going on? i remember a blue post saying that sha-touched weapons would be on a legendary chain and they would evolve on each patch. Am i right guys?
    All I read was there was a legendary quest that would continue throughout all of MoP that everyone would be able to participate in.

    So we get exactly that and still people moan whine and bitch that it is not exactly what they where expecting.

    Big shock there I guess.
  1. Jinna's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by RedMosquito View Post
    If by "hilarious" you mean "unethical," then I agree.

    A simple disclaimer stating why they can't link to wowhead would have sufficed. Changing and saying nothing at all is just low.
    I strongly agree with this. Misquoting someone like this drives web traffic away from the source site and sends it to your own. I could quite easily equate this with a form of theft/fraud, considering Wowhead survives on its advert-generated income.

    The best form of protest I can make is to remove mmo-champ from my adblock white list.
  1. Bantokar's Avatar
    Damn I find it strange with no Sha touched weapons. You really need a good weapon to make up for the loss of 500 main stat
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    To those complaining about the replacing of links, Bashiok has already joked around with it on Twitter and doesn't really seem to care much.
  1. Jinna's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaeed Massani View Post
    To those complaining about the replacing of links, Bashiok has already joked around with it on Twitter and doesn't really seem to care much.
    I'll wait until I hear the administrators of wowhead's opinion on redirecting traffic before I let all this blow over. They are the ones wronged the most here.
  1. Kilmir's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bantokar View Post
    Damn I find it strange with no Sha touched weapons. You really need a good weapon to make up for the loss of 500 main stat
    Even in current content the Heroic Elite Regail's Crackling Dagger without Sha gem is better then Loshan, Terror Incarnate for casters (or at least Warlocks). And that's only 7 ilvl.
    Considering the new raid will up the ilvl across the board it will be easy to find better weapons then Sha-Touched.

    I for one am happy I won't have to shell out 10k for a new gem with every weapon upgrade.
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jinna View Post
    I'll wait until I hear the administrators of wowhead's opinion on redirecting traffic before I let all this blow over. They are the ones wronged the most here.
    Did they pay Bashiok for putting those links in there?
  1. Jinna's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaeed Massani View Post
    Did they pay Bashiok for putting those links in there?
    It is irrelevant. If they paid or not doesn't change the fact that MMO-Champion should not have censored a quote to promote their own site over the one in the original article. This is your typical "why is Chewbacca living on Endor with Ewoks, you can't explain that" kind of comment. You bring something into the discussion that has no relevancy in order to change the argument.

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