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Patch 5.2 - Preparing to Kill a King (Feb 26th)
It looks like we will see Patch 5.2 on in roughly two weeks, or February 26th, assuming that everything goes well.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
With 5.2 fast approaching I’ve been wanting to get my thoughts together on how I should be playing in the last couple weeks before the patch. Are there any reps I should catch up on; do I need to worry about spending currencies or upgrading items; and just in general what do I need to start doing now to maximize my play time before and after the patch releases? This isn’t going to be earth shattering info to anyone who has been following closely, but hopefully it’s a helpful reference.

So, It’s Like a Seat of Sound?
It’s probably most appropriate to start by talking about the new raid, the Throne of Thunder, as entering and clearing it is the goal for PvE progression. The raid is located on a new island, which can be reached by using a portal found in your faction’s Shado-pan camp on the west coast of Townlong Steppes. When 5.2 releases you’ll automatically receive a quest that will get you there, so no need to write that one down.

As the 5.2 raid Throne of Thunder is one continuous, sprawling dungeon, each difficulty will open in its entirety once unlocked. Normal difficulty will be available the first week, then Heroic the week after. LFR will, as usual, be broken up into sub-sections and those will be releasing over time, likely with the first section opening with Heroic in the second week, and a new section each week afterward. Of course we don’t tend to give out patch release dates ahead of time, because things can slip, but right now we’re targeting the last week of February.

To get into the LFR difficulty of Throne of Thunder you’ll need an item level of 480. A quick way to find your item level is to search for your character in the upper right search bar of WorldofWarcraft.com. Your item level is a big number in the upper right of your character’s profile. You can also see it in-game by expanding the advanced character stats.



The new LFR will require an average ilvl of 480, so get crackin'!

If you’re shy of 480 you’ve got some gearing up to do. There are a few different methods of finding and targeting upgrades. The in-game Dungeon Journal can filter by class and spec, showing you what each boss drops that’s good for you, and is actually a pretty easy and straightforward way to create a shopping list. The one downside is you’re not going to have lists of Valor-purchasable items with the Dungeon Journal to compare against. Likely the most popular strategy is to use item database sites and look for specific items (LFR / Valor / BoE), and arrange by ilvl or source. Askmrrobot.com offers an upgrade list too. I’ve also recently been using their new Find Upgrades feature, which has a bunch of useful options. It’s a premium feature so they do charge for it, but it’s free for the first week or so. If nothing else it can be a good option to just help you clear that 480 hurdle.

Upgrade 'Em While You Got 'Em
Like prior raid tiers we’re down-converting Valor to Justice with the patch. This means any Valor you have before the patch will become Justice, and any Justice over the cap will be converted to gold. There is a difference this time in that current Valor items are not being changed to cost Justice, and instead their cost is just being reduced (25-50%). That means you’re not going to benefit by waiting for the down-conversion to pick up any current Valor items. You’re going to want to strategize spending Valor beforehand, if there’s anything you want to buy with Justice (and there’s new Justice-bought heirlooms coming in 5.2), or maybe even if you want the gold. With both currencies at cap you could make around 1,400 gold with the conversion, so maybe that’s even a consideration. After the patch you’ll need to build Valor back up if you want any Valor items of course, but at a reduced cost it may be an option if you’re still looking to get over that 480 hurdle.

Personally I’m not really looking to pick up any Justice items, so my plan is to spend all of my Valor before the down-conversion, and the next section describes what I’m likely to spend the majority of it on.


You can keep your Valor Points, see this post for more information.

Later Space Mummy
Item upgrades won’t be available in 5.2, so getting those upgrades done before the patch hits is probably a good idea. Upgrades are likely coming back in 5.3 (at least for PvE), but spending the Valor now on upgrading pieces you don’t expect to replace quickly is pretty safe. Of course you could always get that lucky boss drop that completely demolishes your fully upgraded item, but those kinds of situations are par for the course.

This is one place where the Askmrrobot upgrade recommendation tool is pretty helpful for me. The rating on how best to spend Valor is quite useful. I’m over 480 so I’m personally just looking at spending Valor on upgrading my best items now.



Is that a mount!? Can it be a mount!? I want that to be a mount. GIMME DAT MOUNT

Be Less Charming Every Day
Throughout Mists of Pandaria we’ve all been working to collect Lesser Charms of Good Fortune. Once a week there’s a quest to exchange 90 Lesser Charms for 3 Elder Charms. The Elder Charms can then be used to get an additional chance at loot (bonus roll) from raid boss kills. In 5.2 the weekly quest to turn in the Lesser Charms changes, and will instead give you 3 Mogu Runes of Fate. The Mogu Runes of Fate can be used the same way, on bonus rolls, but only in the 5.2 Throne of Thunder raid and on the two new world bosses (Nalak and Oondasta). Elder Charms will still be available for the 5.0 raids, but they’ll instead be dropping from mobs in the new outdoor Thundering Isle zone.

There are a few different ways you can use this information depending on how well you’re geared, and how well geared you want to be before the patch. The new raid will require 480 item level for the LFR, and so if you’re at or above 480 you’re probably wise to just hold on to your Lesser Charms. If not, those bonus rolls may well be the quickest way to getting into the Throne of Thunder.

Personally I’m hanging on to mine. I think spending some Valor is probably the wiser course for getting over the hurdle. I do plan to still be doing dailies in 5.2, but I have enough reps at Exalted now that I don’t expect I’ll be coming across enough Lesser Charms to be overburdened and not working through my stack each week.



I'll just come back when you look like you're in a better mood...

Ketchup
As I briefly mentioned in the Currency Conversion section, 5.0 Valor items are seeing their prices reduced by 50%, and those added with the 5.1 factions (Operation Shieldwall and Dominance Offensive) will see their prices cut by 25%. In addition, the chance to get drops in the 5.0 LFR raids is being greatly increased, including the chance to get an item when using an Elder Charm for a bonus roll. All of this means gearing up alts will be a bit quicker, and if you’re not at that 480 requirement yet it should be pretty fruitful to run those raids for a few more weeks to get you there.

Sounds Like Heavy Metal
This isn’t really anything you can prepare for, but I think it’s at least worth mentioning here. In the Throne of Thunder, the Normal and Heroic raid bosses have a chance to drop an item with a new Thunderforged designation. (Normal / Heroic) Thunderforged items are 6 item levels higher than their standard counterparts. Bonus rolls can award a Thunderforged item (again, only in Normal and Heroic), so probably the only thing to plan for ahead of time is having Lesser Charms ready and waiting to exchange for Mogu Runes of Fate.



♫Said if you want to call me baby, just go ahead now♫ (Two Princes, get it? Ugh just keep reading...)

On Doomed Azeroth, Black Prince Choose You
As we’re all aware, Wrathion, the Black Prince, using his voodoo crystal ball of Black Dragonflight future-sight has determined Azeroth is headed for (more?) doom and despair. To help solve this problem he wants to give you a Legendary item, but only after you’ve gone around terrorizing the world and killing a bunch of people. Fishy. Over the course of each patch he gives you some tasks for new toys, ultimately leading to your very own Legendary item in (presumably) patch 5.4.

This is where things get a bit tricky because, up until this point, everyone has been working to obtain their Sha-Touched weapons, the gem to put into it, and adding a prismatic slot. But in 5.2 the reward veers left, no Sha-touched weapons will drop in the new raid, and the new Wrathion reward is a Legendary meta gem, which leaves your Sha-touched weapon and gem to be replaced by what will certainly be more powerful weapons in the Throne of Thunder. You will still be able to apply the prismatic slot upgrade to 5.2 raid weapons, though.

Considering the prismatic slot is usable on 5.2 raid weapons, my recommendation would be to try to catch up if you haven’t yet, but balance it against other priorities. You’d be pretty lucky to get a weapon drop your first time into the new raid, and if you’re running LFR the raid is broken up into smaller sections which open one at a time each week. So if you have more pressing matters, this is one thing you can continue to work on even after 5.2 releases and probably not be too far behind.



Well at least they don't have robots full of blood. Nevermind.


It's Not a Tabard!
In 5.2 you’ll be able to champion a Mists of Pandaria faction (except for Black Prince) by choosing a new option added to your reputation list (in the same list where you can show that rep as your XP bar). By championing a faction you can earn 750 reputation for the first Heroic dungeon each day, and 325 for the first Scenario. This allows you to augment (or avoid) daily quests with those factions to get to Exalted that much quicker.

In addition, if you have The Tillers at Exalted and all of your farm plots unlocked, you’ll be able to take on a work order each day from one of the various factions (except for Black Prince) which will reward you with additional rep.

The new reputation and quest hub in 5.2 is pretty cool; it unlocks and builds up via server progression a la Isle of Quel’danas. What will be a lot cooler for some of you though is that there are no Valor items associated with the rep. (Alliance / Horde) At least this time around, all the Valor items are tied to a raid reputation, which you can earn even through LFR. It will require boss kills though, so no ICC rep runs.

I know some people are already saying they’re going to stop doing dailies until then. I don’t know; I’m already playing more or less every day, doing a daily hub here and there isn’t going to break my time-bank, and I’m still going to be hitting Exalted quicker than if I was waiting. Up to you, but I’m hoping to have less and less 5.0 content to have to think about once 5.2 hits.

That'll Do, Tree
I think that about does it. You’ll of course want to look at mixing up food and elixirs, and gathering mats for crafted items. There’s also the new the world bosses, but that’s not content you really need to prepare for specifically, at least not to the same extent you need to gear up for a raid dungeon. It may be worth noting though that one of the world bosses, Oondasta, is intended to be crazy-difficult. If you’re not in an organized Heroic-level raid group and teaming up with other Heroic-level raid groups, you’re going to want to stick to the other world boss, Nalak; although, keep in mind Nalak unlocks with the island’s server progression, so it’s something to look forward to. Sha of Anger still has Tier-14 and Season-12 items, so that’s certainly something a lot of people will continue to hit up, and I expect it to stay pretty active even well into the new patch.

Let’s open it up to your comments! How are you planning and preparing for 5.2? Did I miss something? Any tips or tricks on how to maximize your time as you progress?

Thanks for reading, may all your bonus rolls be BiS, and I’ll see you in-game!

Micah “Bashiok” Whipple is a Community Manager for World of Warcraft and thinks you’re just the bees knees. It’s worth mentioning though that he’s deathly afraid of bees, as well as various types of pivotal hinges.
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  1. Pann's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrathius View Post
    Valor wipe without changing valor items to justice is still a terrible idea.
    Agreed, coupled with no additional ways to catch up, I am already bored of the current LFR content and I cannot see myself running this content on alts in 4 or 5 months time, I think they are really shooting themselves in the foot.
  1. penguinsane's Avatar
    I'm actually kind of sad that there's no rep from the raid trash. They could make it from trash in normal/heroic, and then bosses only with LFR. People will then invariably create trash-runs, which imo are a good way to network on your own realm.
  1. Mintie's Avatar
    It's kinda hilarious that you replaced Wowhead with Wowdb in the post.
  1. Arbs's Avatar
    People forget they been developing this patch with 5.1 after MoP launched. I rather they don't allow guild to test HM fights.
  1. atrixx's Avatar
    People claiming too soon need to relax. It is obvious they are following a BC-like raiding model. However, in BC we had Tier 4 and Tier 5 raids released at the same time. In this case they gave us a few months in between. To get into the Tier 15 raids you are going to have to be geared through Tier 14 in most cases. There isn't anymore of this "new tier is out, forget the old" for new characters. You are still going to have to progress to get gear up to an appropriate level so your performance is adequate. It is time we get back to where new characters need to go through the previous tiers in order to get to end game content.
  1. Wowalixi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by atrixx View Post
    People claiming too soon need to relax. It is obvious they are following a BC-like raiding model. However, in BC we had Tier 4 and Tier 5 raids released at the same time. In this case they gave us a few months in between. To get into the Tier 15 raids you are going to have to be geared through Tier 14 in most cases. There isn't anymore of this "new tier is out, forget the old" for new characters. You are still going to have to progress to get gear up to an appropriate level so your performance is adequate. It is time we get back to where new characters need to go through the previous tiers in order to get to end game content.
    I raided in BC with a fairly progressed guild and this is nothing like that. Back in BC, they released Tier 4&5, along with Mount Hyjal at the same time, with BT coming out a few months later, and that was it until Sunwell a year or so later. It was a "Choose your own pace" style of progression, where if you were a small time guild you could slowly work your way through each tier, and if you were a hardcore guild you could plow through it in a few months. This style of progression we have now gives you no choice. You work your way through Tier 14, and once Tier 15 comes out, Tier 14 is instantly made invalid since Tier 15 drops better loot and is considered "current" content. Your point would stand if Tier 14 and 15 were released at the same time and offered anywhere near the same ilvl, but they weren't, and they don't. Any guild who doesn't raid Tier 15 is not choosing the smartest avenue of progression.
  1. atrixx's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by penguinsane View Post
    I'm actually kind of sad that there's no rep from the raid trash. They could make it from trash in normal/heroic, and then bosses only with LFR. People will then invariably create trash-runs, which imo are a good way to network on your own realm.
    I agree. It doesn't have to be a lot of rep, but on one of my characters I've had horrible luck with drop rates. I also refuse to do dailies on an alt. My options for upgrades are pretty limited and I have almost maxed valor with nothing to show for it (I'm not going to bother upgrading a bunch of blues - I'd rather take the gold payout). Would like to see some amount of rep earned per boss kill - say 250 to 500.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-11 at 07:22 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Wowalixi View Post
    I raided in BC with a fairly progressed guild and this is nothing like that. Back in BC, they released Tier 4&5, along with Mount Hyjal at the same time, with BT coming out a few months later, and that was it until Sunwell a year or so later. It was a "Choose your own pace" style of progression, where if you were a small time guild you could slowly work your way through each tier, and if you were a hardcore guild you could plow through it in a few months. This style of progression we have now gives you no choice. You work your way through Tier 14, and once Tier 15 comes out, Tier 14 is instantly made invalid since Tier 15 drops better loot and is considered "current" content. Your point would stand if Tier 14 and 15 were released at the same time and offered anywhere near the same ilvl, but they weren't, and they don't. Any guild who doesn't raid Tier 15 is not choosing the smartest avenue of progression.
    Note I said BC-like, not a BC clone. It is modified to be a blend of old BC and some newer styles. I think the biggest flaw with everything is ilvl. People see bigger ilvl and immediately go for it. However, if we look at the LFR layout. You still need ilvl 480 to get into T15 LFR. You aren't going to be able to hit that, in most cases, without doing some T14 raiding. That's no different than people having to gear up through Kara/Gruul/Mag before hitting SSC/TK. Heck a lot of people couldn't even beat Kael and Vashj before farming MH a bit.

    I think we still have the same "choose your own pace" currently that BC had. I think it is mainly in the player's mind that they have to rush through content and get to that next level or they aren't doing it right. I'm not sure if there is anything that can be done to stop that outside of going back to attunements. So I don't agree that T14 is instantly invalid. If you are in a guild that has no problem carrying a person through that never bothered to get T15 Raiding appropriate gear, that is obviously not playing as intended. That is like taking a new person into BT when it came out as soon as they hit 70 just to gear them out. When most people would at least hit up T4 and some T5 content (not to mention nasty badge gear which arrived around then too).

    Any guild who is choosing to stick to the progression and not bail on T14 and going on to T15 is playing at their own pace, not playing stupid. Not everyone is in the race to the end. Today's society of instant gratification is so annoying. You also see that though with the younger crowd moving into this game replacing those of us that are getting older that have been around since the beginning of time. It still comes down to player choice.
  1. arantes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thebdc View Post
    Understandable, but still bad practice to do so silently. If that part of the blue post quote is... optimized... to fit Curse's liking, what other parts? And what parts of past and future blue quotes?
    Yeah, when you quote someone you inform the people you're writing for if you edited anything out, otherwise you're misrepresenting what they said AND who knows what else you might have edited?

    It should just be common practice.
  1. Wowalixi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by atrixx View Post
    Note I said BC-like, not a BC clone. It is modified to be a blend of old BC and some newer styles. I think the biggest flaw with everything is ilvl. People see bigger ilvl and immediately go for it. However, if we look at the LFR layout. You still need ilvl 480 to get into T15 LFR. You aren't going to be able to hit that, in most cases, without doing some T14 raiding. That's no different than people having to gear up through Kara/Gruul/Mag before hitting SSC/TK. Heck a lot of people couldn't even beat Kael and Vashj before farming MH a bit.

    I think we still have the same "choose your own pace" currently that BC had. I think it is mainly in the player's mind that they have to rush through content and get to that next level or they aren't doing it right. I'm not sure if there is anything that can be done to stop that outside of going back to attunements. So I don't agree that T14 is instantly invalid. If you are in a guild that has no problem carrying a person through that never bothered to get T15 Raiding appropriate gear, that is obviously not playing as intended. That is like taking a new person into BT when it came out as soon as they hit 70 just to gear them out. When most people would at least hit up T4 and some T5 content (not to mention nasty badge gear which arrived around then too).

    Any guild who is choosing to stick to the progression and not bail on T14 and going on to T15 is playing at their own pace, not playing stupid. Not everyone is in the race to the end. Today's society of instant gratification is so annoying. You also see that though with the younger crowd moving into this game replacing those of us that are getting older that have been around since the beginning of time. It still comes down to player choice.
    I think the problem here is LFR dropping 502 loot. If it dropped 496 loot you'd have a point, and I'm almost positive my guild would continue working on heroic T14, at least part of the time. But since LFR drops better loot, my guild will just expect people to be 502 ilvl quickly, and we'll pop into T15, at least farming the first 4 bosses or so until we can make more progress.

    Plus you forget that for the good part of BC, Mount Hyjal had an attunement and you couldn't farm gear from there until you killed Kael'thas and Vashj. It's the reason why so many guilds went 3/5 and 4/9 the week after they downed Kael'thas. Not saying that method was better, just saying that Blizzard had artificial walls keeping people in their "proper" tier until they had the skill and dedication to move on. There are no such walls in this expansion, only new LFRs that provide better gear, and new tiers that make old ones pointless.
  1. Vargur's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by atrixx View Post
    I agree. It doesn't have to be a lot of rep, but on one of my characters I've had horrible luck with drop rates. I also refuse to do dailies on an alt. My options for upgrades are pretty limited and I have almost maxed valor with nothing to show for it (I'm not going to bother upgrading a bunch of blues - I'd rather take the gold payout). Would like to see some amount of rep earned per boss kill - say 250 to 500.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-11 at 07:22 PM ----------



    Note I said BC-like, not a BC clone. It is modified to be a blend of old BC and some newer styles. I think the biggest flaw with everything is ilvl. People see bigger ilvl and immediately go for it. However, if we look at the LFR layout. You still need ilvl 480 to get into T15 LFR. You aren't going to be able to hit that, in most cases, without doing some T14 raiding. That's no different than people having to gear up through Kara/Gruul/Mag before hitting SSC/TK. Heck a lot of people couldn't even beat Kael and Vashj before farming MH a bit.

    I think we still have the same "choose your own pace" currently that BC had. I think it is mainly in the player's mind that they have to rush through content and get to that next level or they aren't doing it right. I'm not sure if there is anything that can be done to stop that outside of going back to attunements. So I don't agree that T14 is instantly invalid. If you are in a guild that has no problem carrying a person through that never bothered to get T15 Raiding appropriate gear, that is obviously not playing as intended. That is like taking a new person into BT when it came out as soon as they hit 70 just to gear them out. When most people would at least hit up T4 and some T5 content (not to mention nasty badge gear which arrived around then too).

    Any guild who is choosing to stick to the progression and not bail on T14 and going on to T15 is playing at their own pace, not playing stupid. Not everyone is in the race to the end. Today's society of instant gratification is so annoying. You also see that though with the younger crowd moving into this game replacing those of us that are getting older that have been around since the beginning of time. It still comes down to player choice.
    I'd like to see you try ToT normal in 470's average raid ilvl.
  1. Simca's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by arantes View Post
    Yeah, when you quote someone you inform the people you're writing for if you edited anything out, otherwise you're misrepresenting what they said AND who knows what else you might have edited?

    It should just be common practice.
    The news posters here always bold things differently than the original and add new links to the text - the point of the site is to help summarize and aggregate information. Now, that wasn't the point of this particular swap, but it was done at the same time as like 20 other changes (look at the other links and bolding that aren't in the original - added to help summarize). He probably didn't think twice about the change.

    In retrospect, I'm pretty sure he would have added a footnote.
  1. arantes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    The news posters here always bold things differently than the original and add new links to the text - the point of the site is to help summarize and aggregate information. Now, that wasn't the point of this particular swap, but it was done at the same time as like 20 other changes (look at the other links and bolding that aren't in the original - added to help summarize). He probably didn't think twice about the change.

    In retrospect, I'm pretty sure he would have added a footnote.
    I'm pretty sure he still can. I don't assume motive (although I realize some people do). I just pointed out it's misrepresentation to edit quotes without representing that something was edited.
  1. Berri's Avatar
    Too soon for my tastes :<
  1. Ruak's Avatar
    Am I the only one who thinks that Bashiok's writing style in this article is for 12 year old brain-damaged freaks?
  1. Zergal's Avatar
    I agree with others saying too soon too, some consistency would just be nice, this is an actually good tier and people are enjoying it, why make it only last a few months when you forced us to deal with the garbage that was DS for over 10 months? It seems like they push good patches always too fast.

    Ulduar ended very quickly -> we were stuck with ICC forever
    T11 ended fairly quikcly -> we were stuck with FL and DS forever
    T14 ends quickly -> inc garbage T16 raid for 10 months?
  1. KClovesGaming's Avatar
    People always wanted content faster, so Blizzard is listening. Now a lot of people are saying too soon? They. Just. Can't. Win. lol. Yeesh.
  1. Zergal's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by sTyLnK View Post
    People always wanted content faster, so Blizzard is listening. Now a lot of people are saying too soon? They. Just. Can't. Win. lol. Yeesh.
    Its all about context. they are pushing away quality content way too fast, versus not pushing off shitty content fast enough. I don't think anybody would had complain if DS lasted 5 months and this one 10. At least it would had been far less damageable to the game.
  1. Nasher04's Avatar
    "Well at least they don't have robots full of blood. Nevermind."

    Mass effect ftw?
  1. Hardeen's Avatar
    So it is intended for us to replace our sha-touched weapons with legendary/prismatic gems sockets with the next tier of weapons with the prismatic, I guess I assumed we'd keep the sha-touched throughout continuing to make it better until it turned into the legendary like so many other legendary chains in the past.
  1. relentless92's Avatar
    Blizzard is doing perfect work since 5.0. With every move.

    Stop complaining about the fact that you have to raid t14 with your alts before getting to t15. That's how it's supposed to be played lorewise and, for my taste, gameplaywise. I hated that catch up mechanisms from LK and Cata, where every [snip] could get that items from the ENDBOSS of the Expansion even if he just hits 80/85 3 or 4 weeks before that.

    WoW is to be played with a character you are really bound with and where you can invest all of your effort. And thats why I love MoP so far - who cares about alts?

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