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Item Upgrades in Patch 5.3
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As you’re probably aware we introduced a new system in 5.1 which allowed you to upgrade some gear a few items levels at a time by paying with the PvE (Valor/Justice) and PvP (Conquest/Honor) currencies. In 5.2 the Voidbinders (NPCs who perform item upgrades) took a break to let people focus on just acquiring new items with their points. It also gave us time to evaluate the system, and decide how we want to continue supporting it.

PvE Item Upgrades in 5.3:
  • Voidbinders will return to their places in capital cities and shrines.
  • Items upgradable by Valor now require 250 Valor to upgrade per 4 item levels, for a total of 500 Valor for 8 item levels per item.
    • This is retroactive to all items that use Valor.
  • 5.2 Justice items now require 750 Justice to upgrade per 8 item levels, for a total of 750 Justice for 8 item levels per item.
    • This is retroactive to all items that use Justice.
    • This is higher than Valor to account for the increased acquisition rate of Justice since patch 5.2.

We still like the upgrade system for PvE as a way to make steady progression against bosses you can’t quite kill yet. You very predictably earn Valor every day, and use that Valor toward increasing your character’s power and overcoming an obstacle. It’s also good that Valor always has a use; it’s a currency we always want to be valuable regardless of where you are in progression.

The thing we didn’t like about item upgrades previously was that it created these rather brutal decisions where you were essentially betting against yourself, or having to offload large sums of Valor to keep from capping. If you just got a belt, but next week you’re going up against a Heroic boss that drops a best-in-slot belt for you, you might bet that you’ll get that belt and so you’d wait to upgrade it. But that’s complicated by the issue of being Valor capped and needing to spend some. So you dump Valor on upgrading a different slot and just hope you don’t replace that one instead.

In 5.3 the costs are dramatically cut to the point that these decisions are far less brutal, and you can pretty easily upgrade every slot instead of hedging bets against specific slots being replaced or not. In the example above you could go ahead and fully upgrade that new belt for only 500 Valor, as opposed to the 1500 it would have cost you before.

PvP Item Upgrades in 5.3:
  • Malevolent Gladiator’s Conquest (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
  • Dreadful Gladiator’s Honor (Season 12) items that have upgrades available are still upgradable at their original costs.
  • No other PvP items are upgradable, and no new PvP items for the foreseeable future will use the upgrade system.

It shouldn’t be too surprising, given that we’ve already come out and said it some weeks ago, that item upgrades are essentially not coming back for PvP. It’s something a lot of PvPers asked that we remove, it’s something we didn’t feel worked out too well, and so unsurprisingly the result is that it isn’t coming back. We’re still probably going to allow the Season 12 items that had previous upgradability to remain upgradable, as noted in the bullets above, but it’s not something we’re absolutely certain about at this moment. We’ll let you know if that changes.

Because gearing in PvP is based almost entirely on currency purchases, Conquest and Honor already always have a use, and we ask players to amass a lot of them to continue gearing. Honestly it was fairly unanimous that balancing the means of gear acquisition against upgrades just didn’t make good sense, at least with the current systems.

Let us know what you think in the comments, or on Twitter @Warcraft.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Item Upgrades in Patch 5.3 started by chaud View original post
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  1. Kuja's Avatar
    WoW CCG Game?

    As in World of Warcraft Card Card Game Game?
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    So... Upgrades were removed because people had to make difficult decisions?! Oh the humanity!
    Item pimpage = new disguise of the stacking raid debuff.
    Obv. they don't want that to be in right away.

    Will be interesting to see how the new numbers feel.

    WoW CCG Game?
    Cyber Card Game maybe?
  1. madrox's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Propane View Post
    I hate being forced to run dailies or 5 mans if I want to keep being competitive gear wise in raids.

    I was considering quitting until it was announced that gear upgrades were out, now I'm considering quitting again.
    "Forced" to earn VP by doing raids so you can keep you gear competitive for doing. ahem,raids. You're right that you should quit if you feel forced doing the content that you would be doing.
  1. Sandrox's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by madrox View Post
    "Forced" to earn VP by doing raids so you can keep you gear competitive for doing. ahem,raids. You're right that you should quit if you feel forced doing the content that you would be doing.
    If you capped from raiding it wouldnt be an issue, but you dont even get halfway to cap right now. Its a terrible system that forces you to do dungeons/lfr/dailies to cap. They need to make it so you cap valor for clearing the current raid.
  1. madrox's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandrox View Post
    If you capped from raiding it wouldnt be an issue, but you dont even get halfway to cap right now. Its a terrible system that forces you to do dungeons/lfr/dailies to cap. They need to make it so you cap valor for clearing the current raid.
    You can almost half your cap by doing last tier's LFR. I'm not suggesting that it's an ideal solution, but for someone who likes raiding to moan about being forced to do dungeons and dailys it strikes me as disingenuous that it wouldn't at least explore these options before the dreaded daily quest options. Challenge dungeons with a few guildies earn quite a good rate of VP, and okay so they are still technically dungeons but at least they are with guildies instead of randoms. of all things to complain about in this xpac, and there are a few, VP acquisition is not one of them in my book. The whole upgrade thing as a concept, now that's a different matter but enough people seem to like it for Blizzard to bring it back so meh.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by madrox View Post
    You can almost half your cap by doing last tier's LFR. I'm not suggesting that it's an ideal solution, but for someone who likes raiding to moan about being forced to do dungeons and dailys it strikes me as disingenuous that it wouldn't at least explore these options before the dreaded daily quest options. Challenge dungeons with a few guildies earn quite a good rate of VP, and okay so they are still technically dungeons but at least they are with guildies instead of randoms. of all things to complain about in this xpac, and there are a few, VP acquisition is not one of them in my book. The whole upgrade thing as a concept, now that's a different matter but enough people seem to like it for Blizzard to bring it back so meh.
    Easiest version:

    Raid
    Faceroll a normal 5man for 80VP/day
    Do dailies for your charms.

    Depending on progress you might need a few additional points, I recommend Mogu shan LFR. These are relatively quick and worry free.
  1. Sandrox's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by madrox View Post
    You can almost half your cap by doing last tier's LFR. I'm not suggesting that it's an ideal solution, but for someone who likes raiding to moan about being forced to do dungeons and dailys it strikes me as disingenuous that it wouldn't at least explore these options before the dreaded daily quest options. Challenge dungeons with a few guildies earn quite a good rate of VP, and okay so they are still technically dungeons but at least they are with guildies instead of randoms. of all things to complain about in this xpac, and there are a few, VP acquisition is not one of them in my book. The whole upgrade thing as a concept, now that's a different matter but enough people seem to like it for Blizzard to bring it back so meh.

    I like raiding current content. I dont like doing things ive already done just for valor. I shouldnt have to go back and do old content to stay competitive in current content.
  1. Highlord Qais's Avatar
    Early April Fools ?
  1. Mr.Pineapple's Avatar
    does anyone know what is meant by Retroactive?
  1. Wayne25uk's Avatar
    I think it means to all the stuff that was upgradeable before,so anything that could be upgraded in previous patches will be able to be so this patch...
  1. Perfectdark's Avatar
    I'm never going to see a guild where I can actually get an item that's BiS,....LOL what the fuck are they talking about.
  1. Sugarpixie's Avatar
    Glad to see the upgrade system won't return to PvP. Happy to see it return to PvE.
  1. Netheria's Avatar
    Can't wait
  1. kos1085's Avatar
    I like these price way better.
  1. Cookie's Avatar
    I think it's a great addition for pve (and it was retarded for pvp:P). My only real worry that remains regarding the upgrade system is that the (upgraded) items from the previous patch potentially remains BiS, yet can't be gotten anymore, once the next content patch hits (e.g. some 2/2 sets and trinkets from t14) if it's removed. Hopefully blizzard keeps this in mind for 5.4, possibly by allowing the previous tiers items to remain upgradable?
  1. KoolKidKaos's Avatar
    I approve of this change, it means we will have to get capped every week but not for the WHOLE tier, we will get done inside 2 months. Awesome change
  1. superdx's Avatar
    I liked it better when the upgrade thing was removed. Yes my character is less powerful but man did it make loot easier to actually put on.
  1. carebear's Avatar
    The way the Faerie Fire dragon changes colour is just amazeballs. Seriously it's the best mount I've seen in a while! I hope it actually does it in-game and it's not just a preview.
  1. Rorcanna's Avatar
    I LOVE THAT DRAGON!! THAT should have been the 200 mount reward!!
  1. Duped's Avatar
    Wonder how soon 5.3 will hit.

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