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PTR 1.0.8 Patch Notes

Bugged Ra-Den Kill
It seems a group in China was able to defeat Ra-Den today due to a bug in the encounter, which may have been addressed by tonight's hotfixes. This did confirm that Ra-den does not die at the end of the encounter, which we assumed from the sound files.





Patch 5.2 Hotfixes: April 8
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
Creatures
  • Zandalari Beast Handler is now properly seated in a saddle while riding a Direhorrn.

Raids, Dungeons, and Scenarios
  • Throne of Thunder
    • Giorgio's Caduceus of Pure Moods is no longer being awarded to Elemental and Restoration Shamans on Raid Finder difficulty or via bonus rolls.
    • Primordius
      • During the Primordius encounter, spells which dispel a single harmful effect (Sear Magic, Single Magic, or Mass Dispel) will no longer work if any of the positive effects are active on the target (Improved Synapses, Keen Eyesight, Thick Bones, Clear Mind, or Fully Mutated).
    • Ra-den
      • Fixed an issue that could prevent Ra-den from absorbing Essences of Anima/Vita as intended.
      • Engaging Ra-den now resets the cooldown on Reincarnation for Shamans.

Bug Fixes

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
WoW Subscriber Numbers and Content Release Speed
You're point? WoW is still doing well compared to it's aclaimed "killers" GW2, Tera and SWTOR all which went F2P except for GW2 which already was. I'm not seeing a single point in this whole OP.

Other than lost jobs? Or are they still employing the same amount of people that they did when they had 12 million?

The WoW development team has more members now than ever before!

You're seeing less time between content cycles as we continue to grow and essentially restructure our production pipeline, so that some designers within each WoW development team can focus on alternating patches. Mind you, there's no black-and-white divide in the team -- everyone's contributing in some way to each patch and expansion -- but we can have members from each team focused sharply on 5.3, while others are already working hard on 5.4 and beyond.(Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

WoW Changes Over Time
I think any new player who has been exposed to more than a couple of hours of online gaming would feel insulted by how stupidly easy it is. The only challenge is not falling asleep within 10 minutes of starting a session.
Any new player would probably try to understand what's going on, what is he/she supposed to do, how that particular class plays, familiarize himself/herself with the area where he/she's playing...

Generalizations like this one aren't really helpful in these discussions.

You mean about 1 afternoons work for a new intern? There have been literally dozens of constructive posts on how to do this. One very easy way of beginning to reimplement challenge to the levelling process is to re-introduce orange/red quests.
Changing anything in a game is not as simple as going in and changing numbers. It's easy to pull numbers out of thin air to make an argument look stronger, but the fact is, at the end of the day it's just made up numbers. (And there's also the underlying discussion if the leveling experience should be challenging for newcomers and veteran players alike, and so on).

Orange quests still exist. But keep in mind the color of the quest is only an indicator of how hard that quest will be based on your character level. If your character is level 40, and the quest you want to do is for level 44, it'll be displayed orange. While, if the quest is for level 30, it'll be grey.

Back in Vanilla WoW, if you were in, say, Eastern Plaguelands, at level 50, maybe you'd be able to take quests for levels 52 and 59, while one would be yellow, the other one would be displayed red. Now, since Eastern Plaguelands is a level 40-45 zone, you'll get quests within that level range.

I would have to dedicate myself to do challenge mode dungeons, as I would have to be online together with four other people. PvP is not challenging, only part of that which is challenging is high end arena and what do you know, you need time and dedication to get there. Soloing raids... is that really all that is left? In Rift you find challenge in almost everything you do, from zone events to normal dungeons.
You can also do the Brawler's Guild content, which is quite challenging (particularly at Rank 7 and above).

for example, once upon a time you had to play a class to really understand how to play it, all the little nuances
now, i honestly believe i could roll a lvl90 (insert class ive never played) and excel at it within minutes.

The game does a much better job these days to tell you the basic things about your class (such as the most important abilities of the talent spec you pick), if you pair that with the amount of online resources available, I wouldn't be surprised if someone can excel at a particular class in a short amount of time after playing with it.

On the other hand, shouldn't the fun of playing the game be at overcoming challenges rather than making the game be obscure at things like not telling you what Hit or Critical strike chance are for? In fact, do you think the raid content would be as difficult as it is these days (mechanic wise) if people were still trying to figure out obscure class mechanics?

Just curious to see what do you mean when you talk about challenges in the game. There's the artificial challenge (understanding what your character does because the game just isn't telling you) or killing an innately difficult raid boss (for which the argument of not having enough time doesn't really work, since you could argue that finding the time required to kill a heroic boss should be, in fact, considered part of that challenge you crave for). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
What's the point of vengeance Why not just make tank abilities scale better with AP in tank spec with high threat modifier?
High threat modifiers were often invisible and confusing. We want tanks to care about damage not just spamming threat. (Source)
DPS specs scale with many stats (such as haste and crit). Tank damage (for the most part) scales from just Strength or Agi. (Source)
Prob with veng is tank swaps. Taunt not updated from vanilla. Gives prior tank's threat, but not his vengeance.
Because we want your attacks to matter, not just coasting on what the previous tank did. (Source)
I think what Oatz means is that Tank 1 has to stop attacking so he doesn't pull back from Tank 2 which just taunted.
Understand that we're not trying to make threat no longer a thing. We just don't want it to throttle the DPS. (Source)
Threat does matter. Tanks care about it+dmg. We don't like stopping attacks on switches, especially with high Veng.
You get half Vengeance from taunting. We think it's fine. (Source)

any chance of bringing back vengeance for pvp tanks?
Generally when tanks are having fun in PvP, nobody else is. (Source)

Do u believe that players now have to push to many buttons to effectively play their class? More buttons = less fun. Thoughts?
A rotation with say 4-5 core buttons and 1-2 cooldowns is ideal. It's the situational buttons that complicate things. (Source)
Consider that these days the expectation is for a different AE rotation than single-target. (Source)

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Vanilla class (Warrior) outshined in every area it excels by a (newer) DK class. WTG Guys.
So monks must be outshining DKs then? (Source)
DK's can dps all day long in Blood. Warriors? No. One or the other has to change, so maybe monks will shine more down the road
We don't like Unholy DKs sitting in Blood Presence. Frost generally could not afford to. (Source)
Does that mean you'll be adjusting Unholy DKs but not Frost?
That's the plan. Something like Sudden Doom requires Unholy Presence. Switch to Blood if you need the defenses. (Source)

DW frost CAN NOT dps in blood presence. I say it again: The changes made to DW and 2h frost in MOP, IS STUPID!
As I said, Frost can't sit in Blood Presence. Unholy can, and it's a concern for PvP. (Source)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
any chance on removing some hunter ability bloat in 6.0?(maybe before?) seems too many buttons since MoP
We tried to remove some before but still get "Bring back Eyes of the Beast!" requests. We'll try again. (Source)
If you don't want to use EOTB you don't have to, but having readiness means the class has to use it for bestDPS
Sure, but we could buff every shot to compensate and call it a day. Hunters have plenty of ways to demonstrate skill these days. (Source)
We think the core rotation buttons are fine. There are a LOT of situational hunter buttons though. (Source)
when I complain about bloat, I mean abilities that are part of my dps rotation, like Glaive, DireBeast, Crows, Stampede.
You have a passive option to Dire Beast. We could add one to the Crows row. Rapid Fire and Readiness could probably be pruned. (Source)
any change you make, you'll have a portion of the hunter base complaining, I wouldn't want to be on you shoes.
Yup. All the hunters happy with the number of buttons (or specific ones) won't say much until they are gone. (Source)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
If mass dispel's defensive utility is too powerful, then increase the mana cost significantly.
We considered that, but if you make it expensive enough to really hurt, it does affect Shadow utility in PvE. (Source)

Old Mass Dispel glyph (cast time) is baked in for Holy and Disc. (Source)
Way overnerfing shadow. You said yourself that you didn't want to weaken shadow's raid utility.
We tried not to. Glyph of Mass Dispel isn't super popular with Shadow PvE and you rarely need to Void Shift on short cooldowns. (Source)
Raid utility? Mass dispel nerf is slap on the face for ARENA utility. Something you didn't want to touch.
Shadow has plenty of PvP utility and really high damage to boot. (Source)

How about you give Shadows a replacement spell instead of Voidshift? It's hardly worth the level 87 slot.
Shadow can still use VS for occasional PvE utility. It was causing problems in PvP giving the rest of the Shadow arsenal. (Source)

whats the reasoning for doubling the cool down practically on Shadow Void Shift? It's now just a worse vers of LoH but same CD
We have to balance around the whole package, not individual spells. (Source)

I've played disc forever and I do not spam one spell. I utilize just about all of my spells.
Good priests do. The concern is more that bad priests can still be pretty effective with a lot less effort. (Source)

Is atonement really that OP?
Yes. It should trade off healing for some DPS. Didn't feel like it was much of a healing loss. (Source)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Does Glyph of Unleashed Lightning being changed mean LB can be cast on the move baseline now?
Yes. (Source)
Will it be castable on the move for other specs too?
Not sure yet. Might be okay, but Resto for one doesn't need any kind of PvP buff. (Source)

The game needs less cast while moving.. atleast for pvp.
Agreed in general, but it's a benefit Elemental already had and doesn't seem like a big balance risk. It's also not instant. (Source)

Old Unleashed Lightning glyph benefit is baked in for Elemental. Cast time penalty just goes away. (Anything can change before 5.3 launch.) (Source)
So buff for Ele which is doing pretty well and an extra glyph Enhance has to try to make room for when already bloated?
Giving you a potentially useful glyph is a nerf? Is removing a useful glyph a buff? (Source)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Careful what you wish for.. remove the word clunky and ppl use "bad design".On topic, 34sec CD tremor needs a look at
What they usually mean is "I don't like" which then at least can get into why they don't like something. Clunky conveys nothing. (Source)

I know its story yet untold but, is there any reason why this quest is not obtainable?
Originally the warlock quest continued but we feared what came later would not be able to compete with the awesome of BT. (Source)

Why don't we have the option to help Akama in the warlock quest? The ring reward seems to be in game at least, glitch?
We removed the choice because we felt like there would generally be a right answer and folks would have to stop and wiki it. (Source)

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
I'm still wondering why the heck you changed the Rage system for Warriors. I preferred Cata Style.
For the most part, the Cata style was that rage didn't matter and you just hit buttons as fast as you could. (Source)
I like the new rage system, but HS/Slam don't feel as integral to dumping rage as before for Arms.
If rage isn't unbounded, then there will be less HS use almost by definition. (Source)

PvP: Execute Melee/Needs Rage(issue) 30k noncrit : Shadowburn Ranged/mana(nonissue) 130k noncrit, can you explain?
We try not to design abilities to be mirror images of each other. (Source)

Blizzard Acquires IGN Pro League Assets
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
As an important next step in its ongoing efforts to provide world-class entertainment, Blizzard has purchased IGN Pro League technology and assets from IGN. Along with this purchase, Blizzard is bringing onboard members of the IPL staff as the foundation for a new team based in San Francisco whose primary focus will be on creating high-quality web and mobile content in support of Blizzard games, while some IPL staff have joined Blizzard's existing eSports team.

“This new team will help us to further develop the rich media experiences that extend the fun and engagement of our games online,” said Itzik Ben-Bassat, Blizzard’s executive vice president of publishing. “This is a team of passionate gamers with a proven track record, and we’re looking forward to now leveraging their expertise and technology to support a variety of online efforts.”

Regarding the transaction, Peer Schneider, executive vice president of IGN, stated, “With the continuing evolution of the eSports space and the renewed focus on our core media brand, we made the decision to sell the IGN Pro League technology and assets and become agnostic in our competitive gaming coverage. Following Blizzard’s acquisition of IPL assets, IGN will partner with multiple organizations and cover their events.”

Fan Art Update
The World of Warcraft Fan Art Section has been updated with three new pieces of fan artwork.

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  1. Freia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Wrath of the Lich King and Cataclysm were both substantially delayed, but starting with Mists of Pandaria they went worldwide simultaneous content releases.

    They also started giving them double lockouts to catch up.
  1. shadesof6's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Skylark View Post
    This. I'm lucky that I got it yesterday before the hotfix. I'm sure that the staff will be an upgrade for many elemental/resto shamans. If shamans shouldn't use staffs, why can we equip them?
    ^ this.

    i'm hoping bliz gives a reason for this.
  1. Brytallica's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by subanark View Post
    Even though they planned to wipe... normally you wouldn't burn an attempt "just for fun".
    Disagree here. My guild does this quite a bit actually. There are many times where we pull a boss just for the sake of testing someone's idea. We've also pulled bosses with 8-9 (and in the past 20-24) people just to see if we could kill it.
  1. Ealyssa's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin47xx View Post
    Either way your trying to contort the truth the simple fact is that its a game that you pay to own and then don't pay monthly for. Which is commonly known as free to play.
    Actually the definition of F2P is pretty clear : FREE TO PLAY aka you don't HAVE to pay to play that kind of games, but you can if you want (better weapon, more XP, new heroes, more slots, whatever)

    100% of GW2 players have paid to play it, thus making it clearly a non F2P game (it is often called B2P, buy to play, for online games who just require the initial price, like classic offline games).
  1. Freia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Brytallica View Post
    Disagree here. My guild does this quite a bit actually. There are many times where we pull a boss just for the sake of testing someone's idea. We've also pulled bosses with 8-9 (and in the past 20-24) people just to see if we could kill it.
    You are talking about bosses that do not have a limit on the number of attempts you can make. Ra-den has a limit on the amount of attempts (30) you can make each week.
  1. Multiabuse's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by naturetauren View Post
    PvP: Execute Melee/Needs Rage(issue) 30k noncrit : Shadowburn Ranged/mana(nonissue) 130k noncrit, can you explain?
    We try not to design abilities to be mirror images of each other. (Source)

    Hahahhaha this is going to my sig.
    for the misconception that Shadowburn costs mana?

    8~10 GCDs/Shadowburn to do more damage than 1 execute warrants explanation!

    The execute numbers used also sound like prot warrior numbers.
  1. andgeres's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by naturetauren View Post
    PvP: Execute Melee/Needs Rage(issue) 30k noncrit : Shadowburn Ranged/mana(nonissue) 130k noncrit, can you explain?
    We try not to design abilities to be mirror images of each other. (Source)

    Hahahhaha this is going to my sig.
    Shadowburn requires a burning ember, not mana. Which is quite an issue as well. Other points still stand though. On the other hand, I'm not sure that comparing executes has a lot of meaning for PvP.
  1. Schaden's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Multiabuse View Post
    for the misconception that Shadowburn costs mana?

    8~10 GCDs/Shadowburn to do more damage than 1 execute warrants explanation!

    The execute numbers used also sound like prot warrior numbers.
    With vengeance, prot warriors will be hitting a lot harder. Sounds like a blue-geared, fresh 90.
  1. Freia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Schaden View Post
    With vengeance, prot warriors will be hitting a lot harder. Sounds like a blue-geared, fresh 90.
    The discussion is about pvp where vengeance is not even a factor.
  1. Whitemist's Avatar
    Throne of Thunder
    Giorgio's Caduceus of Pure Moods is no longer being awarded to Elemental and Restoration Shamans on Raid Finder difficulty or via bonus rolls.
    And why is that? (@.o)
  1. Rustweaver's Avatar
    Strange that they would remove a caster staff from Shamans but I suspect it has something to do with 'traditional' design of one-hand and shield. That said, I wonder if they'll also remove Invocation of the Dawn from being rolled which I have been lucky enough to receive in LFR.
  1. jpleveille's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tokoyo View Post
    And why is that? (@.o)
    Wondering the same. Got mine on the first week it was available in LFR, and on a bonus roll must I add.

    It seems the bonus roll won't award it even in normal (or heroic), even though we can equip this weapon, which means elem/resto are strictly limited to the fist weapon on council or Durumu's dagger when it comes to bonus rolls or Jerthud's rare drop for the first 7-8 encounters (in normal).
  1. Eiffeltower's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SanderZammy View Post
    It doesn't really work the same for Europe and Asia actually. On Asian servers, 10 and 25 man have seperate lockouts, 25 drops better gear, and 10 is significantly easier, some bosses even have less abilities. This article doesn't seem to mention that the bug was only possible because of the lockouts - they somehow switched to 10 man while keeping 25 people in the group. Killing it within hours of the Asia first Lei Shen kill should be enough proof of *something* being wrong. EU/US guilds, who were good enough to kill Lei Shen 2/3 weeks earlier didn't kill Ra-den in those 2/3 weeks.
    Why are you stating totally obvious things everyone knows ?

    The point is :
    1. It is world first kill, since its the first in the world (granted, world first doesnt really mean anything nowadays with the mixing of EU / Asia + 10 and 25, which are all different games)
    2. No one should give a damn what Ion Krisofnsdikjbfnisjkoss says (regarding removing them the kill) if he can't design an encounter correctly.
    3. The encounter was released on live, therefore Blizz was happy with its testing (internally), therefore it is part of the race, and the first guild to kill it gets world first (or Asia first 25).
    4. If Blizzard / Ion Krisfjnidrejtnnjosss messed up the encounter, it is down to them, and the first guild to kill it should not loose their title / prestige / whatever.

    We play everyday with bugs, major or minor. Some bugs in this game have not been resolved for years, and we still play and compete with them.
    Everything you can achieve in this game is legitimate, for the simple reason that Blizzard released the content, and therefore it is ready to be competed on.
  1. slx's Avatar
    haha was listening to the ra-den sounds in the back ground and the fight sounds made me think about those sunday noons after a night out
  1. Freia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    Why are you stating totally obvious things everyone knows ?

    The point is :
    1. It is world first kill, since its the first in the world (granted, world first doesnt really mean anything nowadays with the mixing of EU / Asia + 10 and 25, which are all different games)
    2. No one should give a damn what Ion Krisofnsdikjbfnisjkoss says (regarding removing them the kill) if he can't design an encounter correctly.
    3. The encounter was released on live, therefore Blizz was happy with its testing (internally), therefore it is part of the race, and the first guild to kill it gets world first (or Asia first 25).
    4. If Blizzard / Ion Krisfjnidrejtnnjosss messed up the encounter, it is down to them, and the first guild to kill it should not loose their title / prestige / whatever.

    We play everyday with bugs, major or minor. Some bugs in this game have not been resolved for years, and we still play and compete with them.
    Everything you can achieve in this game is legitimate, for the simple reason that Blizzard released the content, and therefore it is ready to be competed on.
    Probably because a lot of people still don't know it works differently in Asia. Notice they are saying things like, "NA/US had the same bugs". Do they know that? No they don't. There indeed could be a bug that resulted from their different lockout system.

    And by your definition Ensidia got World First Lich King kill. They bugged it, killed it and got suspended for it. Blizzard released it live with the bugs though.

    Blizzard rolled back the World First level 90 as well. The arena and rbg rating exploits from last season resulted in bans and ratings/achievements being taken away. Guess achievements aren't always considered "legitimate" just because Blizzard released the content bugged or exploitable.

    Hate to break it to you. This will not in any way count as World First.
  1. ProfessorTjc's Avatar
    Why does Ra-den sound like he is taking a giant deuce?
  1. Nightanthem's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SanderZammy View Post
    It doesn't really work the same for Europe and Asia actually. On Asian servers, 10 and 25 man have seperate lockouts, 25 drops better gear, and 10 is significantly easier, some bosses even have less abilities. This article doesn't seem to mention that the bug was only possible because of the lockouts - they somehow switched to 10 man while keeping 25 people in the group. Killing it within hours of the Asia first Lei Shen kill should be enough proof of *something* being wrong. EU/US guilds, who were good enough to kill Lei Shen 2/3 weeks earlier didn't kill Ra-den in those 2/3 weeks.
    Wonder how u conclude that Asia 10m is easier. The fact is, Asia 10m is definitely at the same level of difficulty as US and EU, and their 25m bosses have 10% more damage and health than US and EU's 25m. Although they have better gear, the battle difficulty for them is quite harder than US and EU. I think the only benefit for them is the double lockout, which may prove to be useless during the progression at the beginning at 5.2, because most guild have more than one team to harvest their gear for best raiders during progression.

    Asia guild dose not have world best ilvl team, and the time for Chinese guild to compete first kill is one week less than US and EU. So it's not easy for them to even kill heroic Lei Shen in the same week as US and EU.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freia View Post
    Probably because a lot of people still don't know it works differently in Asia. Notice they are saying things like, "NA/US had the same bugs". Do they know that? No they don't. There indeed could be a bug that resulted from their different lockout system.

    And by your definition Ensidia got World First Lich King kill. They bugged it, killed it and got suspended for it. Blizzard released it live with the bugs though.

    Blizzard rolled back the World First level 90 as well. The arena and rbg rating exploits from last season resulted in bans and ratings/achievements being taken away. Guess achievements aren't always considered "legitimate" just because Blizzard released the content bugged or exploitable.

    Hate to break it to you. This will not in any way count as World First.
    It's not a bug related to lockout. It's a bug about the mechanism of the fight. BLZ just fixed it worldwide. U can see it in last hotfix notes.
    Again they were not using 25 man to defeat a 10m boss. It's totally made up.
  1. crazy8's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightanthem View Post
    Wonder how u conclude that Asia 10m is easier. The fact is, Asia 10m is definitely at the same level of difficulty as US and EU, and their 25m bosses have 10% more damage and health than US and EU's 25m. Although they have better gear, the battle difficulty for them is quite harder than US and EU. I think the only benefit for them is the double lockout, which may prove to be useless during the progression at the beginning at 5.2, because most guild have more than one team to harvest their gear for best raiders during progression.

    Asia guild dose not have world best ilvl team, and the time for Chinese guild to compete first kill is one week less than US and EU. So it's not easy for them to even kill heroic Lei Shen in the same week as US and EU.


    ---------- Post added 2013-04-10 at 09:23 AM ----------


    It's not a bug related to lockout. It's a bug about the mechanism of the fight. BLZ just fixed it worldwide. U can see it in last hotfix notes.
    Again they were not using 25 man to defeat a 10m boss. It's totally made up.
    Why do you continue to try and legitimize this, at best they were the first to find a bug in the encounter and took advantage of it, but probably because it was from China and to be politically correct they will not suspend them.

    Sure they "beat" the fight, but not in how the encounter was intended so until someone defeats the encounter as it was intended there is no world first.

    Just for the very fact that 25 man drops higher item level gear and they have SEPERATE lockouts in China is more than enough reason for me to give any defeat an asterisk beside their name.
  1. therayeffect's Avatar
    It was confirmed bugged and they reported it so it's not a kill. They'll probably get everything taken away from them. Honestly has to suck too for them because they probably REALLY want to kill it.

    As everyone has stated though, since they have higher 25man ilvl and double lockouts, they're going to be world first in these kinds of kills. They just have too much of an advantage in this specific instance.
  1. Millie's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TrollShaman View Post
    Also, why is the Giorgio staff no longer allowed for Resto/Ele Shaman to obtain outside of normal/heroic drops?
    Because LFR was dropping the heroic version. Lucky bastards who managed to get one.

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