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Heroic Garrosh Defeated
The 10 player Heroic Garrosh encounter has been defeated in Asia by 天 啟. The group had a 573+ item level, compared to the top US and EU guilds that currently have a 565 item level.



Siege of Orgrimmar Heroic Progression
Method, Blood Legion, and Exorsus are leading progress with 13/14 bosses down now, followed by five other guilds at 12/14. Over in the 10 player column, Paragon and Depraved are leading with 13/14 bosses down.



Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Class Balance Discussion
For discussion: How to solve the problem that most class discussions happen in sequestered class forums, which tend to have an echo chamber? (Source)
must ask whats good bout discussion? Just lots of opinons?maybe in game sticky so anyone can say what they likehate bout class
Discussions tend to dismantle weak arguments and let stronger ones rise to the top. Discussions are like lists + evolution. (Source)
Doesn't stop many common opinions in the community that have been dismantled time and time again.
I agree with that, though I think that's a function of online discussion forums typically having rapid turnover. (Source)

change the format. and both use formats which generate a lot of traction. Forums are becoming antiquated.
Videos take too long to watch (esp with ads). I don't get the appeal. I like Reddit though. (Source)

..and that brings it back to my initial problem. The echo chamber argument is pretty weak....
I agree with Lhivera. The echo chamber effect resists debates and encourages brofisting. (Source)
Sounds harsh and elitist, but their progress and experience tells the same story 95% of the time.
But aren't you essentially arguing that the players are usually right? That is by far not the case. They are right... sometimes. (Source)

Arguments for a real problem and for a bogus problem will look very similar in a brofisting context.
Think of it from our POV, where there are always far more demands from players than the game really needs. (Source)
Separating good arguments from bad is non-trivial, so seeing a healthy debate w/ many POVs can help us make that distinction. (Source)

also enforces groupthink around "my class sucks".
And anyone who intrudes to disagree either "doesn't understand our issues" or is accused of trolling. (Source)
I'll say it again: You will never get as good feedback as you will get from the class specific forums. Ever.
Not from where I sit. Now it's possible to have healthy debate in class forums, but I rarely see it, and I read a lot of forums. (Source)

I think that would just move the echo chamber somewhere else. Vidcast discussion panels with top players/TCs.
It's interesting that panels and podcasts tend to invite dissenting opinions (w/in reason). (Source)
I think they understand that (softly) competitive structure yields more interesting & informed discussions. (Source)
I disagree that it's the format - more the interaction. If there's more from blues I believe you'd see more healthy discussion
The problem is the developers themselves are very busy and can't afford to spend hours per day in forums. (Twitter is fast.) (Source)

Why is the echo chamber a problem? Not trying to be sarcastic; trying to understand what alternate state is desired.
We're not saying there aren't class problems, but when everything is portrayed as a crisis, it's hard to know really needs fixing. (Source)
The echo chamber effect can also cause thought leaders or eloquent posters to create mountains out of molehills. (Source)
It's nice to get a "um your DPS is fine" dissenting opinion, but those "trolls" get chased out of class-specific threads. (Source)
you're guilty of this sort over tweets. 'We like where xx is at'. Some weeks later hotfix or minor patch and buffs appear
That is ultimately the system working though. Sometimes players convince us a change is necessary. Other times data prove us wrong. (Source)

Legitimate contributors are discouraged from posting because of toxic abusive posters. Remove problems, contributors return?
I used to subscribe to that more, but over moderation can also create fear and resentment. (Source)
It's also something we can't enforce on websites other than our own, but conversations certainly take place there. (Source)

Bold idea: remove class forums. No echo. "Answers/Advice For New Players" can be its own forum instead.
It's not strictly a "class subforum" problem. Even general forums spawn class-specific threads. (Source)

And to be clear, I do think that blues should always be very careful when they decide to post in a class forum.
I don't personally post in class forums anymore (or rarely anywhere). It caused more QQ than it solved IMO. (Source)
Even today you see Why didn't we get posts / as many posts / as many substantial posts / more posts b/c our issues are worse? (Source)

Reputation / Questing
I should clarify... levelling ONE char was fun. Levelling more in MoP was not.
That's fair criticism. We hoped that choices like Four Winds vs. Krasarang would help the second time around. (Source)

I'm wondering, how do you guys consider MOP levelling? A success, failure / could be better? I find it rather boring.
We think it was probably a little slow overall. At launch, you did a bunch of quests and saw the XP bar grow only a little. (Source)
We buffed the leveling speed a patch or two ago. It feels better now IMO. (Source)

can we get option to show rep gain in quest dialog?
We explored this, but many quests offer rep for multiple factions (like e.g. all Alliance cities) and it was really spammy. (Source)

So you'd rather people get burnt out on gearing, than actually participate because it's fun?
We find most players won't participate in any activity without motivation from rewards that improve power. (Source)
In fact the opposite can also be true: if we're not careful, players will engage in unfun things just for the power rewards. (Source)
You mean daily quests?
Or chain running Mechanar. Or farming Sunwell trash. The list goes on. (Source)

I hate to sound like an echo chamber, but dailies feeling required are why I'm not playing Mists.
I think your information might be fairly old. The new patch has virtually no dailies. It still has a lot to do. (Source)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
New GPUs from AMD are on the way, so if you are only upgrading your GPU it might be worth it to wait a month or two.

The current SSD prices are stable, with most SSDs under $1 per gigabyte when on sale. RAM prices are continuing to climb.

The Haswell CPUs from Intel are here and they run a little bit on the warmer side. Depending on how much you want to overclock, you may need to spend a bit more for a better CPU cooler like the NH-D14 or H90.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 4770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in Folding@home, take a look in our team's thread.


Peripherals/Monitors
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorAsus VE228H 21.5-Inch Monitor - $127ASUS VS248H-P 24-Inch Monitor - $160
KeyboardKensington Pro Fit Media Keyboard - $18Cyborg V.5 - $48
MouseLogitech G400s - $44Razer Deathadder - $48
SpeakersCreative A220 2.1 Speaker System - $26Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $35
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorAsus VE258Q 25-Inch Monitor - $216HP ZR2440W 24-inch - $367
KeyboardLogitech G510 - $79Razer BlackWidow (Backlit)- $70 ($120)
MouseLogitech G500 - $52Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $70
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $55Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $66


Puppy and Dolphin
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Puppy and Dolphin.
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT Source 210 - $36NZXT Source 210 - $36
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $45XFX Core Edition PRO 550W - $61
CPUAMD FX-6300 - $120AMD FX-8320 - $154
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $18Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $33
MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2.0 - $103ASUS M5A99FX PRO - $115
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $418GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $79
Graphics CardXFX 7770 - $95Gigabyte 7870 2 GB or Gigabyte GTX 660 OC - $190 / $180
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $56Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $85
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$536$765 - $775


Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Corsair Air 540 (Special Layout) - $140
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX V2 - $87Corsair 750HX - $110
CPUIntel i5-4670K - $241Intel i7-4770K - $340
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $56Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $77
MotherboardASUS Z87-A - $140ASUS Z87-PLUS - $155
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $7916GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $153
Graphics CardMSI 7950 OR MSI N760 TF - $265 / $260Gigabyte 7970 - $280
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85
SSDSAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $95
OR
Plextor 128 GB M5 Pro (Review) - $116
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (Review) - $125
OR
SAMSUNG 840 Pro 128GB (Review) - $133
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$1125 - $1151$1457 - $1495


Heroes of the Storm Trademark
The Heroes of the Storm trademark from last week appears to have been applied for in the US database now as well. Keep in mind that nothing is confirmed until trademarks are granted.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Heroic Garrosh Defeated, SoO Heroic Progression, Blue Tweets, Setup of the Month started by chaud View original post
Comments 246 Comments
  1. maxchum's Avatar
    There is no fair game in WF at all.
    For example, normal raid progressing at the beginning of the patch US guilds stars earlier, and pretty much finishes whole thing before EU guilds even have a chance to log in.
    So yea, those asian dudes killed it first, and yes, they used all those advantages they had. Why shouldn't they? It's not like US guilds waiting for EU guilds in a race.
    Whole thing is stupid and should be treated as region/raid size specific. But I guess butthurt feelings cloud all judgement.
  1. Darkpixel's Avatar
    Grats on World first!
  1. Kagon's Avatar
    That kill of H Garrosh doesnt count. Thats essentially 4 weeks down the road for top end guilds.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by maxchum View Post
    There is no fair game in WF at all.
    For example, normal raid progressing at the beginning of the patch US guilds stars earlier, and pretty much finishes whole thing before EU guilds even have a chance to log in.
    So yea, those asian dudes killed it first, and yes, they used all those advantages they had. Why shouldn't they? It's not like US guilds waiting for EU guilds in a race.
    Whole thing is stupid and should be treated as region/raid size specific. But I guess butthurt feelings cloud all judgement.
    US vs EU start times are taken into consideration with the race. BL also did not raid on Wednesday, the day that EU started, so technically US did wait.
    Asia allows 2 different lock outs, 10 man vs 25 man are diff ilvls, and scale as such. Having a 573 ilvl for a fight that is tuned to 560 is pretty much the definition of cheesing a fight. Go do some heroic ToT at 565 and see how easy things feels.
  1. Asmodeas's Avatar
    It may sound rude, but since Asia has such a great advantage, isn't it a bit much to post it on the front page? Again, I don't want to be rude, but those guys are almost playing a different game.
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodeas View Post
    It may sound rude, but since Asia has such a great advantage, isn't it a bit much to post it on the front page? Again, I don't want to be rude, but those guys are almost playing a different game.
    A first kill is a first kill, no matter how it came to be. They did nothing that would warrant further scrutiny, it's a legit kill. While it might be under different circumstances than the West raids under, it's still totally legit.
  1. Youarefired's Avatar
    First is first. After all, Asia is a part of planet Earth.

  1. Zmago's Avatar
    Hmmm so basicly the hearoic end of the Garrosh fight is uncannon?
  1. Xeroz123's Avatar
    If you look at their raiders on the Armory, it looks like they SKIPPED Paragons of the Klaxxi HC. They did it on normal.

    This is not what the EU and US guilds are doing. So yeh, does it still count?
  1. Gilian's Avatar
    Why doesn't it show on wowprogress that they killed him?

    http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/asia


    You "first is first" people are really just big trolls aren't you?
    They are playing a different version of the game so they only got world first on their version. Wowprogress doesn't seperate West/Asia and 25 man/10 man to make their website look better. It also counts the other way around when US/EU gets the kill first they only got it on their version of the game and Asia has nothing to do with that.
  1. necrobear's Avatar
    The kill counts, grats to them. Anyone who doesn't agree is just a sore loser. Calm down.
  1. DesoPL's Avatar
    I told you guys... Turalyon and Alleria are back! I sure, that Heroes Of The Storm, is next expansion to WoW... Remember interview with Chris Metzen? He mentioned, that Turalyon and Alleria story will continue, after events in Pandaria.

    MY BODY IS READY!
  1. drhovertop's Avatar
    "buh-buh-buh it doesn't cooooooooooooouuuuunnnnnnt..."
  1. Miuku's Avatar
    Looking at the registration dates of some of the commenter's here, it's amazing how many dupe troll accounts seem to be floating around.

    I guess one ban wasn't enough to get the point across.
  1. Kolz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chaos View Post
    You cannot say for 100% if 10 is harder than 25 or if they have it more hard or easy than EU/US
    You can say 100% that this is easier than it is for the west when they have the equivalent of minimum 3 weeks of extra resets worth of gear to do the exact same boss rofl.

    I don't think most people realise how big gear is when pushing heroic progression kills right when a new tier comes out. The vast majority of people who kill these fights do it while heavily overgearing them, the difference it makes is astounding.
  1. Wyand1337's Avatar
    Well, imho their kill should just be called World First and Method, Blood Legion and Exorcus are still in for the West First kill? Because that's just what it is.

    Wether or not somebody wants to call a West First more "worthy" than the World First is up to his decision then.
  1. Getreuer's Avatar
    I bet my money on that Heroes of the Storm is the new expansion.
  1. Nakkimon's Avatar
    There is:

    - 10man world first (eu/usa)
    - 25man world first (eu/usa)
    - world first lower itemlvl version (eu/usa)
    - 10man world first (asia)
    - 25man world first (asia)
    - world first higher itemlvl version (asia)
  1. Terridon's Avatar
    Grats to them.
    Still find it funny how even mmo don't distinguish between 25/10man.
    It's only that 25mans that have arund 565. 10man is around 7-8 ilvl below that, which it isn't balanced around. Just like nothing is balanced around the cloak.
    Better loot-distr, and far more warforged gear matters a lot.

    Most that complains about asia having higher ilvl should in the same sentence agree that 25man is flawed because they have those 6-8 ilvls higher than 10man. To me it's a fair worlds first, just as well as any other world first.
    I don't care about either. Just want an EU guild to down it before an US guild. I'm even more happy if paragon kills them before any 25man.
  1. Feliclandelo's Avatar
    So many hypocrites just trying to feed the discussion with trolling. In reality, it is worlds first on a different client/game. So it has nothing to do with the EU/US race, since they litterally do not play the same game. It's like comparing 2 different games to eachother, there is no point.

    If someone goes and achieves a kill on the PTR or a private client where you suddenly have a 1shot button, would you people claiming "worlds first is worlds first" still be claiming it? The scenario is the same.

    Different game =//= Different worlds first (Asian client)
  1. Wyand1337's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Feliclandelo View Post
    So many hypocrites just trying to feed the discussion with trolling. In reality, it is worlds first on a different client/game. So it has nothing to do with the EU/US race, since they litterally do not play the same game. It's like comparing 2 different games to eachother, there is no point.

    If someone goes and achieves a kill on the PTR or a private client where you suddenly have a 1shot button, would you people claiming "worlds first is worlds first" still be claiming it? The scenario is the same.

    Different game =//= Different worlds first (Asian client)
    What you are really trying to say: The asians got the world first, but you care about the EU/US first more

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