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Heroic Garrosh Defeated
The 10 player Heroic Garrosh encounter has been defeated in Asia by 天 啟. The group had a 573+ item level, compared to the top US and EU guilds that currently have a 565 item level.



Siege of Orgrimmar Heroic Progression
Method, Blood Legion, and Exorsus are leading progress with 13/14 bosses down now, followed by five other guilds at 12/14. Over in the 10 player column, Paragon and Depraved are leading with 13/14 bosses down.



Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Class Balance Discussion
For discussion: How to solve the problem that most class discussions happen in sequestered class forums, which tend to have an echo chamber? (Source)
must ask whats good bout discussion? Just lots of opinons?maybe in game sticky so anyone can say what they likehate bout class
Discussions tend to dismantle weak arguments and let stronger ones rise to the top. Discussions are like lists + evolution. (Source)
Doesn't stop many common opinions in the community that have been dismantled time and time again.
I agree with that, though I think that's a function of online discussion forums typically having rapid turnover. (Source)

change the format. and both use formats which generate a lot of traction. Forums are becoming antiquated.
Videos take too long to watch (esp with ads). I don't get the appeal. I like Reddit though. (Source)

..and that brings it back to my initial problem. The echo chamber argument is pretty weak....
I agree with Lhivera. The echo chamber effect resists debates and encourages brofisting. (Source)
Sounds harsh and elitist, but their progress and experience tells the same story 95% of the time.
But aren't you essentially arguing that the players are usually right? That is by far not the case. They are right... sometimes. (Source)

Arguments for a real problem and for a bogus problem will look very similar in a brofisting context.
Think of it from our POV, where there are always far more demands from players than the game really needs. (Source)
Separating good arguments from bad is non-trivial, so seeing a healthy debate w/ many POVs can help us make that distinction. (Source)

also enforces groupthink around "my class sucks".
And anyone who intrudes to disagree either "doesn't understand our issues" or is accused of trolling. (Source)
I'll say it again: You will never get as good feedback as you will get from the class specific forums. Ever.
Not from where I sit. Now it's possible to have healthy debate in class forums, but I rarely see it, and I read a lot of forums. (Source)

I think that would just move the echo chamber somewhere else. Vidcast discussion panels with top players/TCs.
It's interesting that panels and podcasts tend to invite dissenting opinions (w/in reason). (Source)
I think they understand that (softly) competitive structure yields more interesting & informed discussions. (Source)
I disagree that it's the format - more the interaction. If there's more from blues I believe you'd see more healthy discussion
The problem is the developers themselves are very busy and can't afford to spend hours per day in forums. (Twitter is fast.) (Source)

Why is the echo chamber a problem? Not trying to be sarcastic; trying to understand what alternate state is desired.
We're not saying there aren't class problems, but when everything is portrayed as a crisis, it's hard to know really needs fixing. (Source)
The echo chamber effect can also cause thought leaders or eloquent posters to create mountains out of molehills. (Source)
It's nice to get a "um your DPS is fine" dissenting opinion, but those "trolls" get chased out of class-specific threads. (Source)
you're guilty of this sort over tweets. 'We like where xx is at'. Some weeks later hotfix or minor patch and buffs appear
That is ultimately the system working though. Sometimes players convince us a change is necessary. Other times data prove us wrong. (Source)

Legitimate contributors are discouraged from posting because of toxic abusive posters. Remove problems, contributors return?
I used to subscribe to that more, but over moderation can also create fear and resentment. (Source)
It's also something we can't enforce on websites other than our own, but conversations certainly take place there. (Source)

Bold idea: remove class forums. No echo. "Answers/Advice For New Players" can be its own forum instead.
It's not strictly a "class subforum" problem. Even general forums spawn class-specific threads. (Source)

And to be clear, I do think that blues should always be very careful when they decide to post in a class forum.
I don't personally post in class forums anymore (or rarely anywhere). It caused more QQ than it solved IMO. (Source)
Even today you see Why didn't we get posts / as many posts / as many substantial posts / more posts b/c our issues are worse? (Source)

Reputation / Questing
I should clarify... levelling ONE char was fun. Levelling more in MoP was not.
That's fair criticism. We hoped that choices like Four Winds vs. Krasarang would help the second time around. (Source)

I'm wondering, how do you guys consider MOP levelling? A success, failure / could be better? I find it rather boring.
We think it was probably a little slow overall. At launch, you did a bunch of quests and saw the XP bar grow only a little. (Source)
We buffed the leveling speed a patch or two ago. It feels better now IMO. (Source)

can we get option to show rep gain in quest dialog?
We explored this, but many quests offer rep for multiple factions (like e.g. all Alliance cities) and it was really spammy. (Source)

So you'd rather people get burnt out on gearing, than actually participate because it's fun?
We find most players won't participate in any activity without motivation from rewards that improve power. (Source)
In fact the opposite can also be true: if we're not careful, players will engage in unfun things just for the power rewards. (Source)
You mean daily quests?
Or chain running Mechanar. Or farming Sunwell trash. The list goes on. (Source)

I hate to sound like an echo chamber, but dailies feeling required are why I'm not playing Mists.
I think your information might be fairly old. The new patch has virtually no dailies. It still has a lot to do. (Source)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
New GPUs from AMD are on the way, so if you are only upgrading your GPU it might be worth it to wait a month or two.

The current SSD prices are stable, with most SSDs under $1 per gigabyte when on sale. RAM prices are continuing to climb.

The Haswell CPUs from Intel are here and they run a little bit on the warmer side. Depending on how much you want to overclock, you may need to spend a bit more for a better CPU cooler like the NH-D14 or H90.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 4770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in Folding@home, take a look in our team's thread.


Peripherals/Monitors
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorAsus VE228H 21.5-Inch Monitor - $127ASUS VS248H-P 24-Inch Monitor - $160
KeyboardKensington Pro Fit Media Keyboard - $18Cyborg V.5 - $48
MouseLogitech G400s - $44Razer Deathadder - $48
SpeakersCreative A220 2.1 Speaker System - $26Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $35
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorAsus VE258Q 25-Inch Monitor - $216HP ZR2440W 24-inch - $367
KeyboardLogitech G510 - $79Razer BlackWidow (Backlit)- $70 ($120)
MouseLogitech G500 - $52Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $70
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $55Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $66


Puppy and Dolphin
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Puppy and Dolphin.
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT Source 210 - $36NZXT Source 210 - $36
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $45XFX Core Edition PRO 550W - $61
CPUAMD FX-6300 - $120AMD FX-8320 - $154
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $18Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $33
MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2.0 - $103ASUS M5A99FX PRO - $115
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $418GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $79
Graphics CardXFX 7770 - $95Gigabyte 7870 2 GB or Gigabyte GTX 660 OC - $190 / $180
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $56Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $85
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$536$765 - $775


Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Corsair Air 540 (Special Layout) - $140
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX V2 - $87Corsair 750HX - $110
CPUIntel i5-4670K - $241Intel i7-4770K - $340
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $56Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $77
MotherboardASUS Z87-A - $140ASUS Z87-PLUS - $155
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $7916GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $153
Graphics CardMSI 7950 OR MSI N760 TF - $265 / $260Gigabyte 7970 - $280
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85
SSDSAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $95
OR
Plextor 128 GB M5 Pro (Review) - $116
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (Review) - $125
OR
SAMSUNG 840 Pro 128GB (Review) - $133
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$1125 - $1151$1457 - $1495


Heroes of the Storm Trademark
The Heroes of the Storm trademark from last week appears to have been applied for in the US database now as well. Keep in mind that nothing is confirmed until trademarks are granted.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Heroic Garrosh Defeated, SoO Heroic Progression, Blue Tweets, Setup of the Month started by chaud View original post
Comments 246 Comments
  1. Arkizne's Avatar
    By all means gratz too them but as anyone with a brain knows, this means nothing in the actual world first race.. It's all Method and BL (inb4 some nerd trys to say 10man is relevant.)
  1. mikencarly's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Path View Post
    Too bad they couldn't do it on a level playing field though.

    World First* heroic Garrosh kill. Too bad that asterisk will always be a blemish on their achievement.

    We all know that the true World First is more important.
    http://www.loyogou.com/game/wow/ladd...ldLadders.html your right good thing they got TRUE WORLD FIRST!!!!
  1. Yumisara's Avatar
    Until Asia isn't apart of the world, it's still a World First. IMO.
    Stop complaining people.
  1. vendizritz's Avatar
    Yea really everyone needs to deal with it Asia kill garrosh first in the world paragon blood legion and method will not be getting world first for it they will only be getting their region first
  1. mikencarly's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by vendizritz View Post
    Yea really everyone needs to deal with it Asia kill garrosh first in the world paragon blood legion and method will not be getting world first for it they will only be getting their region first
    yep 100% correct inless asia is on a different planet now its world first period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkizne View Post
    By all means gratz too them but as anyone with a brain knows, this means nothing in the actual world first race.. It's all Method and BL (inb4 some nerd trys to say 10man is relevant.)
    Killing Herioc garrosh first is relevant no matter the region or raid size they did it first http://www.loyogou.com/game/wow/ladd...ldLadders.html
  1. Nienor's Avatar
    Well in that case Garrosh world first belongs to me. On the private server i ve been playing, the night of the release i solo cleared the whole SoO in less than 30 mins. Yes i changed my paladin's stats just a little bit so what. it's the same game being played on the same planet as everyone else......
  1. Mekh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nienor View Post
    Well in that case Garrosh world first belongs to me. On the private server i ve been playing, the night of the release i solo cleared the whole SoO in less than 30 mins. Yes i changed my paladin's stats just a little bit so what. it's the same game being played on the same planet as everyone else......
    Kudos! (You know, he's right.)
  1. flambookey's Avatar
    Lol this is so amusing.

    I get where people are coming from, that they have major advantages, but first is first... The got snubbed in the post with no world first in front
  1. mitre27's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrathbaby View Post
    While EU/US cries for casual content (LFR LOL) Asia calls for Hardcore content (Harder bosses, but drop higher ilvl loot)
    It's hilarious you don't recognize them for beating EU/US in the world first race. People on mmo champ SMH
    Why would we? They took their higher ilevel loot from 25mans and used them to beat 10mans, which is tuned exactly the same way as on EU and US, they have a large gear advantage thanks to their double lockouts and higher ilevel drops in 25man.
  1. Blasphemie's Avatar
    People seem to forget the fact that with those gear level, THE BOSS DOES SCALE UP 10% HIGHER than the boss on EU/NA server as well.

    It's a 10m World first kill. And they got it before Paragon.

    Get over it.
  1. Conjor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blasphemie View Post
    People seem to forget the fact that with those gear level, THE BOSS DOES SCALE UP 10% HIGHER than the boss on EU/NA server as well.

    It's a 10m World first kill. And they got it before Paragon.

    Get over it.
    It's a 10 man Asia world first. Nothing more. They are in a different league apart from NA / EU. It will be the same when someone kills it in NA / EU: it will be a world fist NA / EU kill.
  1. Spazzeh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blasphemie View Post
    People seem to forget the fact that with those gear level, THE BOSS DOES SCALE UP 10% HIGHER than the boss on EU/NA server as well.

    It's a 10m World first kill. And they got it before Paragon.

    Get over it.

    You seem to have forgotten that Asia's 10man difficulty isn't different than Western's 10 man. Only 25man is more difficult in Asia compared to West.

    Wait, no. I'm pretty sure you were just 100% ignorant of that fact.

    "A" for effort, I guess.

    Edit: originally quoted wrong person. Stupid phone...
  1. Special K's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blasphemie View Post
    People seem to forget the fact that with those gear level, THE BOSS DOES SCALE UP 10% HIGHER than the boss on EU/NA server as well.

    It's a 10m World first kill. And they got it before Paragon.

    Get over it.
    Incorrect. 25 Normal/Heroic scale higher (and drop higher gear accordingly). 10 Normal/Heroic does not scale higher (and does not drop higher gear). Additionally, they have separate lockouts for 10H/25H (just like ICC).
  1. Ardourdan's Avatar
    It's true that it is a world first, but the first NA/EU kill will be more impressive.
  1. Kagon's Avatar
    Asian servers were removed from the world first races bc of how their fights scale. There fights on 10 man are slightly easier than ours (Think Wrath 10/25). Also they can upgrade items 4 times. They also get 2 resets a week. 25 and 10 man don't share lockouts. So imagine in 1 week having done 4(!) weeks of siege. In 2 weeks it's 8 weeks. If a us or eu guild hasn't downed garrosh by 8 weeks then they can talk. Their gear is also 8 ilvls above ours at BiS levels. The avg ilvl of the raid group that killed the boss was 573. Compare this to 561 from blood legion and method. 12 ilvls. A complete tier. Get to 565 and go do tot heroic and watch bosses melt. It's a joke when you out gear the fight by that much.
  1. Lilfrier's Avatar
    Personally, I would vote strongly AGAINST the G500. I've got one myself, and it's caused more problems than any other mouse I've owned. The cable on the mouse is rather thin, so it breaks more easily. To combat this, they wrap the thing in mesh, which sucks. After a few months, the cable started developing numerous kinks. That caused the mesh wrap to split partially, which creates more kinks (unless you cut the mesh the rest of the way, which I did, on one occasion). The thin wrap of the mouse cable then splits, wires get exposed, and the mouse stops working.

    I think that whole process took about 6 months to occur, but the mouse luckily comes with a 3-year warranty. I sent it in, got another, but the whole process has almost run its course a second time now (about 5 months since the first replacement). Logitech's pretty receptive to replacements though (they didn't even bother to ask for the broken mouse back), so that's a plus, but the G500's cable is just a big pain in the butt.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    Oh, did Mana Flask also rail against the fact that Asian realms get the patch days later than US/EU? Does Mana Flask know that Asian guilds do not get access to PTR and learn the boss fights beforehand like US/EU guilds? They should learn not to spout anything "competitive" as it's just laughable.
    I think it's adorable all the "asia doesn't count" trolls are conveniently ignoring this post.
  1. Simca's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    Oh, did Mana Flask also rail against the fact that Asian realms get the patch days later than US/EU? Does Mana Flask know that Asian guilds do not get access to PTR and learn the boss fights beforehand like US/EU guilds? They should learn not to spout anything "competitive" as it's just laughable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I think it's adorable all the "asia doesn't count" trolls are conveniently ignoring this post.
    First, as a moderator: Don't call people trolls.

    Now, as a user:

    A. Asia hasn't counted since the 10/25 split. 4x upgrades, 2x resets, and other factors make the region not comparable to other regions. Is it the world first Garrosh kill? Yes, by definition. However, most people won't consider the boss 'dead' until it is killed on its intended difficulty (without inflated itemlevels).

    B. Every single part of that post is wrong. Korea and Taiwan patch on Wednesdays, like EU. I do not know the patch date for China, but they're wrong on "Asian guilds" for sure. PTR access is available easily, at least for Korean players. They even have their own KR PTR realm.

    Lots of comments going around with people who don't know what they're talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nienor View Post
    Well in that case Garrosh world first belongs to me. On the private server i ve been playing, the night of the release i solo cleared the whole SoO in less than 30 mins. Yes i changed my paladin's stats just a little bit so what. it's the same game being played on the same planet as everyone else......
    Perfect post. Proves that the 'world first' is first people have to quality their statement with 'official servers', which means that they also require qualifications and aren't looking for 'pure first' like they claim.
  1. siafu's Avatar
    actually only the 25 man version scales up therefore they killed the same version as eu/us 10 man. but they did with cleaning 10 man and 25 man with higher ilvl gear than us/eu, cause the lockouts are separated they get twice the loot per week and with double upgrades included. take a guess and figure out how many weeks of gear advantage they have on a guild like paragon...
  1. Gescom's Avatar
    What is the mount that most of the players are riding on?

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