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Heroic Garrosh Defeated
The 10 player Heroic Garrosh encounter has been defeated in Asia by 天 啟. The group had a 573+ item level, compared to the top US and EU guilds that currently have a 565 item level.

Siege of Orgrimmar Heroic Progression
Method, Blood Legion, and Exorsus are leading progress with 13/14 bosses down now, followed by five other guilds at 12/14. Over in the 10 player column, Paragon and Depraved are leading with 13/14 bosses down.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Class Balance Discussion
For discussion: How to solve the problem that most class discussions happen in sequestered class forums, which tend to have an echo chamber? (Source)
must ask whats good bout discussion? Just lots of opinons?maybe in game sticky so anyone can say what they likehate bout class
Discussions tend to dismantle weak arguments and let stronger ones rise to the top. Discussions are like lists + evolution. (Source)
Doesn't stop many common opinions in the community that have been dismantled time and time again.
I agree with that, though I think that's a function of online discussion forums typically having rapid turnover. (Source)

change the format. and both use formats which generate a lot of traction. Forums are becoming antiquated.
Videos take too long to watch (esp with ads). I don't get the appeal. I like Reddit though. (Source)

..and that brings it back to my initial problem. The echo chamber argument is pretty weak....
I agree with Lhivera. The echo chamber effect resists debates and encourages brofisting. (Source)
Sounds harsh and elitist, but their progress and experience tells the same story 95% of the time.
But aren't you essentially arguing that the players are usually right? That is by far not the case. They are right... sometimes. (Source)

Arguments for a real problem and for a bogus problem will look very similar in a brofisting context.
Think of it from our POV, where there are always far more demands from players than the game really needs. (Source)
Separating good arguments from bad is non-trivial, so seeing a healthy debate w/ many POVs can help us make that distinction. (Source)

also enforces groupthink around "my class sucks".
And anyone who intrudes to disagree either "doesn't understand our issues" or is accused of trolling. (Source)
I'll say it again: You will never get as good feedback as you will get from the class specific forums. Ever.
Not from where I sit. Now it's possible to have healthy debate in class forums, but I rarely see it, and I read a lot of forums. (Source)

I think that would just move the echo chamber somewhere else. Vidcast discussion panels with top players/TCs.
It's interesting that panels and podcasts tend to invite dissenting opinions (w/in reason). (Source)
I think they understand that (softly) competitive structure yields more interesting & informed discussions. (Source)
I disagree that it's the format - more the interaction. If there's more from blues I believe you'd see more healthy discussion
The problem is the developers themselves are very busy and can't afford to spend hours per day in forums. (Twitter is fast.) (Source)

Why is the echo chamber a problem? Not trying to be sarcastic; trying to understand what alternate state is desired.
We're not saying there aren't class problems, but when everything is portrayed as a crisis, it's hard to know really needs fixing. (Source)
The echo chamber effect can also cause thought leaders or eloquent posters to create mountains out of molehills. (Source)
It's nice to get a "um your DPS is fine" dissenting opinion, but those "trolls" get chased out of class-specific threads. (Source)
you're guilty of this sort over tweets. 'We like where xx is at'. Some weeks later hotfix or minor patch and buffs appear
That is ultimately the system working though. Sometimes players convince us a change is necessary. Other times data prove us wrong. (Source)

Legitimate contributors are discouraged from posting because of toxic abusive posters. Remove problems, contributors return?
I used to subscribe to that more, but over moderation can also create fear and resentment. (Source)
It's also something we can't enforce on websites other than our own, but conversations certainly take place there. (Source)

Bold idea: remove class forums. No echo. "Answers/Advice For New Players" can be its own forum instead.
It's not strictly a "class subforum" problem. Even general forums spawn class-specific threads. (Source)

And to be clear, I do think that blues should always be very careful when they decide to post in a class forum.
I don't personally post in class forums anymore (or rarely anywhere). It caused more QQ than it solved IMO. (Source)
Even today you see Why didn't we get posts / as many posts / as many substantial posts / more posts b/c our issues are worse? (Source)

Reputation / Questing
I should clarify... levelling ONE char was fun. Levelling more in MoP was not.
That's fair criticism. We hoped that choices like Four Winds vs. Krasarang would help the second time around. (Source)

I'm wondering, how do you guys consider MOP levelling? A success, failure / could be better? I find it rather boring.
We think it was probably a little slow overall. At launch, you did a bunch of quests and saw the XP bar grow only a little. (Source)
We buffed the leveling speed a patch or two ago. It feels better now IMO. (Source)

can we get option to show rep gain in quest dialog?
We explored this, but many quests offer rep for multiple factions (like e.g. all Alliance cities) and it was really spammy. (Source)

So you'd rather people get burnt out on gearing, than actually participate because it's fun?
We find most players won't participate in any activity without motivation from rewards that improve power. (Source)
In fact the opposite can also be true: if we're not careful, players will engage in unfun things just for the power rewards. (Source)
You mean daily quests?
Or chain running Mechanar. Or farming Sunwell trash. The list goes on. (Source)

I hate to sound like an echo chamber, but dailies feeling required are why I'm not playing Mists.
I think your information might be fairly old. The new patch has virtually no dailies. It still has a lot to do. (Source)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
New GPUs from AMD are on the way, so if you are only upgrading your GPU it might be worth it to wait a month or two.

The current SSD prices are stable, with most SSDs under $1 per gigabyte when on sale. RAM prices are continuing to climb.

The Haswell CPUs from Intel are here and they run a little bit on the warmer side. Depending on how much you want to overclock, you may need to spend a bit more for a better CPU cooler like the NH-D14 or H90.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 4770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in [email protected], take a look in our team's thread.

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MonitorAsus VE228H 21.5-Inch Monitor - $127ASUS VS248H-P 24-Inch Monitor - $160
KeyboardKensington Pro Fit Media Keyboard - $18Cyborg V.5 - $48
MouseLogitech G400s - $44Razer Deathadder - $48
SpeakersCreative A220 2.1 Speaker System - $26Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $35
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorAsus VE258Q 25-Inch Monitor - $216HP ZR2440W 24-inch - $367
KeyboardLogitech G510 - $79Razer BlackWidow (Backlit)- $70 ($120)
MouseLogitech G500 - $52Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $70
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $55Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $66

Puppy and Dolphin
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ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT Source 210 - $36NZXT Source 210 - $36
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $45XFX Core Edition PRO 550W - $61
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MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2.0 - $103ASUS M5A99FX PRO - $115
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $418GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $79
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Narwhal and Unicorn
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CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Corsair Air 540 (Special Layout) - $140
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CPUIntel i5-4670K - $241Intel i7-4770K - $340
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $56Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $77
MotherboardASUS Z87-A - $140ASUS Z87-PLUS - $155
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $7916GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $153
Graphics CardMSI 7950 OR MSI N760 TF - $265 / $260Gigabyte 7970 - $280
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85
SSDSAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $95
Plextor 128 GB M5 Pro (Review) - $116
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (Review) - $125
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Heroes of the Storm Trademark
The Heroes of the Storm trademark from last week appears to have been applied for in the US database now as well. Keep in mind that nothing is confirmed until trademarks are granted.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Heroic Garrosh Defeated, SoO Heroic Progression, Blue Tweets, Setup of the Month started by chaud View original post
Comments 246 Comments
  1. ZenX's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalanos View Post
    Correction, Warlock with ilvl 588:


    So they farmed 25 and killed him in 10m, don't know how this really counts in as the WF considering the cheesing of every logistics there is, still gratz on the kill.
  1. Glaziola's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntaer View Post
    That shit doesn't count, asia has more ilvl than the "normal" people >.>
    Get over it they had higher ilvl and they killed Garrosh on heroic mode for the first time in the whole world. Thats all that matters. It doesnt mean that they are better than EU/US guilds though they just had gear advantage.
  1. Redtuzk's Avatar
    "World's first".
  1. Kazuchika's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Abbzow View Post
    Worlds first is worlds first....

    Even thought this is like putting 2 football players in a game while one of them is on steroids and the other one clean.

    Grats to them still, i believe.
    Oh so it's like real football?

    (sorry that one was too easy)
  1. Eazy's Avatar
    The group had a 573+ item level, compared to the top US and EU guilds that currently have a 565 item level.
    Haha, that's funny. It's still WORLD FIRST.
  1. Mystch's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by elnimrod View Post
    Congratulations to them.

    How they are able to achieve a higher iLvl?
    as you can see from their armory (http://www.battlenet.com.cn/wow/zh/c...AD%90/advanced) lock that was during the HC kill. They are able to upgrade their items 4 times, while we can do it only 2.
  1. .Nensec's Avatar
    It's a world first by title, but certainly not by glory.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntaer View Post
    That shit doesn't count, asia has more ilvl than the "normal" people >.>
    Asia is on the planet, so yes it does count. Grats to them on the world first.
  1. SinR's Avatar
    Congratulations to the Asians for sneaking in with the kill while EU/US bicker back and forth.

    world first is still world first.
  1. xray's Avatar
    grats to their world first!
  1. CosmicGuitars's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    Haha, that's funny. It's still WORLD FIRST.
    It may be the first kill, but it certainly won't be acknowledged as the first, considering the circumstances of them achieving the kill.
  1. Miuku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    Haha, that's funny. It's still WORLD FIRST.
    No, not really. They play with a different set of rules than the rest of the world.
  1. ImpTaimer's Avatar
    Asians are playing a completely different client than the rest of the world. I don't understand what entitles them to higher compensation and a completely different client.

    (Then again, if it was that much of a cheese, what aren't US/EU guilds taking advantage of it?)
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Murderdoll View Post
    Asia does not count to the official race. They may have killed it first, but it may as well be null and void in regards to Method and Blood Legion racing.

    They get extra lockouts and faster access to gear.
    That's like saying if Blood Legion gets world first it doesn't count because they had an extra day head start every week. Sorry, but they play World of Warcraft on the planet earth therefore it is world first. No amount of Method/Paragon/Blood Legion fanboys can change that fact.
  1. vipers's Avatar
    where is the world first achievment picture
  1. Maconi's Avatar
    If I was a US/EU raider and had people giving Asia the "World First" title even though they have an unfair advantage I would just say "fuck it". Why bother competing when another region has an unfair advantage? It's not much of a competition if everyone isn't on equal footing.
  1. Xisa's Avatar
    The guild that downed him isn't even the best guild in China. That would be STARS.

    Chinese 25 man is on a different lockout. As a result, they get different gear. STARS is working on the REAL progression. If they down Garrosh before Method/Blood Legion, I'll give them all the credit in the world.

    This guild however borderline cheated. No recognition for a handicap achievement.
  1. kindomroll's Avatar
    abit late, this was new earlier on
  1. mikencarly's Avatar
    true world first kill well done apocalypse!
  1. Dazzy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xisa View Post
    The guild that downed him isn't even the best guild in China. That would be STARS.
    This guild however borderline cheated. No recognition for a handicap achievement.
    Clearly stars is best since they killed him first. Oh wait....

    Cheated how exactly? They are playing the game blizzard gave them. They didn't cheese it by using bombs or 15 druids etc.

    By definition, this is a world first kill. No matter how much haters try to deny it. It was the first time in the world he was killed in heroic. Period.

    Grats to them

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