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Heroic Garrosh Defeated
The 10 player Heroic Garrosh encounter has been defeated in Asia by 天 啟. The group had a 573+ item level, compared to the top US and EU guilds that currently have a 565 item level.



Siege of Orgrimmar Heroic Progression
Method, Blood Legion, and Exorsus are leading progress with 13/14 bosses down now, followed by five other guilds at 12/14. Over in the 10 player column, Paragon and Depraved are leading with 13/14 bosses down.



Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Class Balance Discussion
For discussion: How to solve the problem that most class discussions happen in sequestered class forums, which tend to have an echo chamber? (Source)
must ask whats good bout discussion? Just lots of opinons?maybe in game sticky so anyone can say what they likehate bout class
Discussions tend to dismantle weak arguments and let stronger ones rise to the top. Discussions are like lists + evolution. (Source)
Doesn't stop many common opinions in the community that have been dismantled time and time again.
I agree with that, though I think that's a function of online discussion forums typically having rapid turnover. (Source)

change the format. and both use formats which generate a lot of traction. Forums are becoming antiquated.
Videos take too long to watch (esp with ads). I don't get the appeal. I like Reddit though. (Source)

..and that brings it back to my initial problem. The echo chamber argument is pretty weak....
I agree with Lhivera. The echo chamber effect resists debates and encourages brofisting. (Source)
Sounds harsh and elitist, but their progress and experience tells the same story 95% of the time.
But aren't you essentially arguing that the players are usually right? That is by far not the case. They are right... sometimes. (Source)

Arguments for a real problem and for a bogus problem will look very similar in a brofisting context.
Think of it from our POV, where there are always far more demands from players than the game really needs. (Source)
Separating good arguments from bad is non-trivial, so seeing a healthy debate w/ many POVs can help us make that distinction. (Source)

also enforces groupthink around "my class sucks".
And anyone who intrudes to disagree either "doesn't understand our issues" or is accused of trolling. (Source)
I'll say it again: You will never get as good feedback as you will get from the class specific forums. Ever.
Not from where I sit. Now it's possible to have healthy debate in class forums, but I rarely see it, and I read a lot of forums. (Source)

I think that would just move the echo chamber somewhere else. Vidcast discussion panels with top players/TCs.
It's interesting that panels and podcasts tend to invite dissenting opinions (w/in reason). (Source)
I think they understand that (softly) competitive structure yields more interesting & informed discussions. (Source)
I disagree that it's the format - more the interaction. If there's more from blues I believe you'd see more healthy discussion
The problem is the developers themselves are very busy and can't afford to spend hours per day in forums. (Twitter is fast.) (Source)

Why is the echo chamber a problem? Not trying to be sarcastic; trying to understand what alternate state is desired.
We're not saying there aren't class problems, but when everything is portrayed as a crisis, it's hard to know really needs fixing. (Source)
The echo chamber effect can also cause thought leaders or eloquent posters to create mountains out of molehills. (Source)
It's nice to get a "um your DPS is fine" dissenting opinion, but those "trolls" get chased out of class-specific threads. (Source)
you're guilty of this sort over tweets. 'We like where xx is at'. Some weeks later hotfix or minor patch and buffs appear
That is ultimately the system working though. Sometimes players convince us a change is necessary. Other times data prove us wrong. (Source)

Legitimate contributors are discouraged from posting because of toxic abusive posters. Remove problems, contributors return?
I used to subscribe to that more, but over moderation can also create fear and resentment. (Source)
It's also something we can't enforce on websites other than our own, but conversations certainly take place there. (Source)

Bold idea: remove class forums. No echo. "Answers/Advice For New Players" can be its own forum instead.
It's not strictly a "class subforum" problem. Even general forums spawn class-specific threads. (Source)

And to be clear, I do think that blues should always be very careful when they decide to post in a class forum.
I don't personally post in class forums anymore (or rarely anywhere). It caused more QQ than it solved IMO. (Source)
Even today you see Why didn't we get posts / as many posts / as many substantial posts / more posts b/c our issues are worse? (Source)

Reputation / Questing
I should clarify... levelling ONE char was fun. Levelling more in MoP was not.
That's fair criticism. We hoped that choices like Four Winds vs. Krasarang would help the second time around. (Source)

I'm wondering, how do you guys consider MOP levelling? A success, failure / could be better? I find it rather boring.
We think it was probably a little slow overall. At launch, you did a bunch of quests and saw the XP bar grow only a little. (Source)
We buffed the leveling speed a patch or two ago. It feels better now IMO. (Source)

can we get option to show rep gain in quest dialog?
We explored this, but many quests offer rep for multiple factions (like e.g. all Alliance cities) and it was really spammy. (Source)

So you'd rather people get burnt out on gearing, than actually participate because it's fun?
We find most players won't participate in any activity without motivation from rewards that improve power. (Source)
In fact the opposite can also be true: if we're not careful, players will engage in unfun things just for the power rewards. (Source)
You mean daily quests?
Or chain running Mechanar. Or farming Sunwell trash. The list goes on. (Source)

I hate to sound like an echo chamber, but dailies feeling required are why I'm not playing Mists.
I think your information might be fairly old. The new patch has virtually no dailies. It still has a lot to do. (Source)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
New GPUs from AMD are on the way, so if you are only upgrading your GPU it might be worth it to wait a month or two.

The current SSD prices are stable, with most SSDs under $1 per gigabyte when on sale. RAM prices are continuing to climb.

The Haswell CPUs from Intel are here and they run a little bit on the warmer side. Depending on how much you want to overclock, you may need to spend a bit more for a better CPU cooler like the NH-D14 or H90.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 4770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in Folding@home, take a look in our team's thread.


Peripherals/Monitors
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorAsus VE228H 21.5-Inch Monitor - $127ASUS VS248H-P 24-Inch Monitor - $160
KeyboardKensington Pro Fit Media Keyboard - $18Cyborg V.5 - $48
MouseLogitech G400s - $44Razer Deathadder - $48
SpeakersCreative A220 2.1 Speaker System - $26Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $35
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorAsus VE258Q 25-Inch Monitor - $216HP ZR2440W 24-inch - $367
KeyboardLogitech G510 - $79Razer BlackWidow (Backlit)- $70 ($120)
MouseLogitech G500 - $52Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $70
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $55Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $66


Puppy and Dolphin
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Puppy and Dolphin.
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT Source 210 - $36NZXT Source 210 - $36
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $45XFX Core Edition PRO 550W - $61
CPUAMD FX-6300 - $120AMD FX-8320 - $154
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $18Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $33
MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2.0 - $103ASUS M5A99FX PRO - $115
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $418GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $79
Graphics CardXFX 7770 - $95Gigabyte 7870 2 GB or Gigabyte GTX 660 OC - $190 / $180
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $56Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $85
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$536$765 - $775


Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Corsair Air 540 (Special Layout) - $140
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX V2 - $87Corsair 750HX - $110
CPUIntel i5-4670K - $241Intel i7-4770K - $340
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $56Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $77
MotherboardASUS Z87-A - $140ASUS Z87-PLUS - $155
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $7916GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $153
Graphics CardMSI 7950 OR MSI N760 TF - $265 / $260Gigabyte 7970 - $280
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85
SSDSAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $95
OR
Plextor 128 GB M5 Pro (Review) - $116
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (Review) - $125
OR
SAMSUNG 840 Pro 128GB (Review) - $133
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$1125 - $1151$1457 - $1495


Heroes of the Storm Trademark
The Heroes of the Storm trademark from last week appears to have been applied for in the US database now as well. Keep in mind that nothing is confirmed until trademarks are granted.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Heroic Garrosh Defeated, SoO Heroic Progression, Blue Tweets, Setup of the Month started by chaud View original post
Comments 246 Comments
  1. Kornstyle's Avatar
    Congratz to Them for World First... If you have a problem because asians get better gear and have seperate lockouts, then watch your fking face on the mirror and complain to blizzard for making the game like that..... As someone else said before, using 25 man "upgraded" gear for 10 man hrc is clever use of game mechanics...No cheat not exploitation.
  1. Zequill's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mikencarly View Post
    To late already happened.they got world first wow is wow no matter what region.
    What next, killing H. Boss on a private server will count too? Because you know, a kill is a kill, no matter if the game have different set of rule right?
  1. LCD's Avatar
    I love how the world first Heroic Garrosh kill was taken on ultra low quality settings lol
  1. inkberry's Avatar
    Congratulations on the world first.

    It' so amusing to watch everyone bicker over their silly wow competitions.

    Back to daycare please.
  1. Communism's Avatar
    Asia.
    Doesn't count.
  1. Murderdoll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    That's like saying if Blood Legion gets world first it doesn't count because they had an extra day head start every week. Sorry, but they play World of Warcraft on the planet earth therefore it is world first. No amount of Method/Paragon/Blood Legion fanboys can change that fact.
    So youre saying if US servers had 3 weeks headstart on the EU servers for example, that would be fine?

    Because thats essentially what this is. Asia has had 3 weeks of extra lock outs. Thats 3 weeks of extra gear.

    At these levels gear makes a HUGE difference. Its the difference between hitting the enrage timer, dropping a heals for a DPS etc.

    Sure, world first, with a massive asterisk next to it. Theres a reason why Asia has their own world first race and they arent included in any of the proper rankings.
  1. Moondance's Avatar
    Finally the asians triumph over the self-righteous westerners!
  1. Arcrin's Avatar
    Grats to them but i dont think its counts towards the world first race because:

    -they have 10/25 seperate lockouts
    -higher ilvl which 25m is tuned for but not 10man making it the same difficulty as in EU/US
  1. Karnige's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kornstyle View Post
    Congratz to Them for World First... If you have a problem because asians get better gear and have seperate lockouts, then watch your fking face on the mirror and complain to blizzard for making the game like that..... As someone else said before, using 25 man "upgraded" gear for 10 man hrc is clever use of game mechanics...No cheat not exploitation.
    nope don't care its not a world 1st. that simple
  1. Ateista's Avatar
    for those of you who keep saying "world first is still world first". wrong. asia wow plays by a whole different rule set than the rest of the world. they don't get serperate lockouts, and are able to gear up faster than the normal guilds. (eu/us)

    so, as far as i'm concerned, and yes they killed the boss, but since the difference in acquiring loot, it's not in a world first setting.

    the real world first is still up for grabs from US or EU. although we all know it will be paragon.
  1. shaurus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kornstyle View Post
    Congratz to Them for World First... If you have a problem because asians get better gear and have seperate lockouts, then watch your fking face on the mirror and complain to blizzard for making the game like that..... As someone else said before, using 25 man "upgraded" gear for 10 man hrc is clever use of game mechanics...No cheat not exploitation.
    Yes, thats why Lance Armstrong won Tour de France 7 times in row..he was allowed to have better gear then others...oh snap he didnt..

    You can't call something world first when you got and huge advantage..calm down sailor!
  1. Murderdoll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kornstyle View Post
    Congratz to Them for World First... If you have a problem because asians get better gear and have seperate lockouts, then watch your fking face on the mirror and complain to blizzard for making the game like that..... As someone else said before, using 25 man "upgraded" gear for 10 man hrc is clever use of game mechanics...No cheat not exploitation.
    Noone said its a cheat or exploit, nor is it a clever use of game mechanics because its exactly how the system worked in ICC.

    They are given that playstyle because of their gaming culture. Thats fine.

    It just means because their game style is so different and gives a distinct advantage over regular servers, it doesn't count towards the "official" race.

    Its widely accepted by pretty much any ranking website that they are not included. It would be absolutely stupid to include them. It would be like including private servers on the official world first race.
  1. JainaIsAMan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Murderdoll View Post
    So youre saying if US servers had 3 weeks headstart on the EU servers for example, that would be fine?

    Because thats essentially what this is. Asia has had 3 weeks of extra lock outs. Thats 3 weeks of extra gear.

    At these levels gear makes a HUGE difference. Its the difference between hitting the enrage timer, dropping a heals for a DPS etc.

    Sure, world first, with a massive asterisk next to it. Theres a reason why Asia has their own world first race and they arent included in any of the proper rankings.
    "3 weeks of extra gear"

    You didn't take the 25 man gearing into account. 9 weeks of extra, better gear.
  1. Divine Path's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Moondance View Post
    Finally the asians triumph over the self-righteous westerners!
    Too bad they couldn't do it on a level playing field though.

    World First* heroic Garrosh kill. Too bad that asterisk will always be a blemish on their achievement.

    We all know that the true World First is more important.
  1. Zantos's Avatar
    Glad to see the front page even shows that this doesn't count. Im hoping someone comes in from behind and beats method and blood legion to a True World First. I would have considered this a true world first had they stayed in 25man where that extra gear didn't help them beat a under tuned fight. I mean, come on! Anyone thinking this is far is just plain dumb. The fact of the matter is most raiders in the EU/US can't even get to that ilevel unless they are pretty close to being full Heroic Warforged 2/2upgraded gear. You can't even compare a 473average ilevel to EU/US since they won't be able to get anyone that ilevel until very late in the expansion.
  1. phelioz's Avatar
    They are and forever will be the World first guild to kill Garrosh on Heroic... Nothing can change that...

    The race is for Western's First now :P
  1. Baltasar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Communism View Post
    Asia.
    Doesn't count.
    This so much
  1. Quakefan's Avatar
    Heroes of the Storm, next WoW patch name?? :P
  1. shadycharacter1's Avatar
    Might as well just spawn him on a private server and pretend it's an actual kill.
  1. Sacrelis's Avatar
    It seems some people, including that rotten guild, have forgotten about the spirit of competition.

    Everyone can declare themselves the winner of the Olympics if they want to, or any competition in fact, but they will be missing the point of competition. A winner in a competition is only the winner if his competitors are convinced he is the better man. I can go on the streets and declare myself best 100m sprinter in the world if I want, but I doubt many (or even ANY) will acknowledge that title unless I beat Bolt's record, on the same terms as how Bolt achieved it.

    Pathetic, everyone of them, to give up on H25 to chase a title via such hollow and questionable means only speaks volumes of their unscrupulous character. The only positive I can see is that there are still logical and sensible players in China criticizing their actions on China forums.

    Regardless, the true main culprit here is Blizzard, for not foreseeing this event unfolding and make proper official brackets.

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