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Will this also lower absorbs?
It affects absorbs as well, yes.

This change HEAVILY favors double DPS.
We disagree. Matches with double DPS comps rarely (if ever) last long enough for either The Crowd Chose You or the new Dampening mechanic to even become a factor. It'll take a full 10 minutes before Dampening even begins to stack.

Necrotic Strike + Dampening = GG...
Necrotic Strike's healing absorption effect will be reduced at the same rate.

How does this address the double Blood DK issue again?
This change isn't targeted specifically at Blood. As I mentioned before, one of our goals with the changes in 5.4 was to avoid heavily influencing player behavior. The Crowd Chose You has a strong affect on Arena gameplay in all brackets, across a wide spectrum of compositions, not just Blood DK in 2v2. We're going to fix Blood (and we're discussing how exactly to do that), but we don't want to balance the entire Arena system around it.

That's why it favors Double DPS.
I'm not sure I follow. Looking specifically at the 2v2 bracket, matches where either team is running double DPS typically end before the 5 minute mark. They sometimes go longer, but almost never to 10 minutes. The games that do involve Blood DK's, which as I mentioned a few moments ago, we're looking to make additional changes to.

So, under normal circumstances, the only matches that will realistically be affected by this are Healer/DPS vs Healer/DPS, in which case both healers are being affected equally. Matches between double DPS and Healer/DPS or another double DPS team are completely unaffected.

How is that fair to Unholy DKS? Necro strikes are their main source of killing in arnea. So you're going to nerf their main source of DMG cause of a healing debuff?
Only the absorption affect will be reduced, not the damage output.

How doesn't this favor classes that already have a MS like warriors?
Mortal Strike (and similar effects) are applied multiplicatively. That means they don't become any more (or less) effective as Dampening begins to stack.

Here's a quick, if mathy, example: Say you cast a heal that, unmodified, would heal for 100k. If Mortal Strike is active, that heal is reduced by 25%, for a final amount of 75k (and a loss of 25k healing).

Now, say Dampening is at 10%. Your 100k heal would then land for 90k. Mortal Strike would only affect the remaining 90k healing, putting the final amount healed at 67.5k. The heal was still 25% less effective than it would have been if Mortal Strike wasn't active, but was only reduced by 22.5K -- which, you may notice, is 10% less than the previous example, keeping it in line with the effects of Dampening.

TL;DR: Mortal Strike (and similar effects) are not made any more or less desirable by Dampening.

How will this effect Warriors and Warlocks? and other dps classes which have some sort of shield or similar damange migration ability, and how about damage reducing ability's like Hand of Sacrifice?
Self-healing, shielding as well as other abilities and spells like Necrotic Strikes absorption effectiveness will also be weakened by Dampening, it will not just affect healing.

At first, as a pure healer, this seems very bad. And very bias towards dps and hybrids.
We don't think that this change will diminish the value of healers or make them less desirable than they already are. Matches that lack healers, or even matches where only one team has a healer rarely last long enough for Dampening to kick in.

The tactic would to be, to have a triple dps combo with powerful enough offhealing, cc's/esacpe abliltys to avoid the majority of the fight for 10 mins, and the just pop all damage cd's and kill off a dps, while the healer is just watching.
That's a legitimate concern, however Dampening will hit the triple DPS team just as hard, if not harder than the opposing team, because their off-healing is already fairly weak and will just get weaker making a double DPS/healer team able to take them out as well. The main point to be made here is that this will affect both teams at an equal rate, so no individual team should be able to gain a greater advantage from it than the other.

Do remember that this feature is still under development and changes may occur to it, so please let us know what you think.

Does that mean that priests who relay on shileds will be incarnation of god itself in arena?
As was mentioned earlier in the thread, shields will also have their effectiveness reduced by Dampening. So things such as "Power Word: Shield" should not give any particular classes an advantage.

Lame, once again we're back to where we started where disc priests can decide to be a douche and take the game to a draw even when their teammate is dead.. great
Why do you feel that Disc priests are going to be so strong? If it's because you think absorbs will not be included, please see my comment above.

Will it affect the health return component of mage food (and bandages)?
That's actually a really good question that I will endeavor to find an answer for.

Well, the new design is certainly better than what we have now at least. Thoguh personally I think it should start affecting damage instead rather than healing.
So you feel it would be better for damage to increase by X% per Y seconds instead of reducing healing? Can you give a little more information as to why you think this would work better than the current Dampening effect?

I'm still extremely worried about Blood DK's. They can easily survive for the first 15 minutes or so and then, with a 25% healing debuff, spam NS with all their cooldowns up and try to finish the healer. This strategy may turn out to be so efficient that Blood DK's are still going to be a huge problem here.
This change isn't intended to address Blood DK's in 2's and we also don't want to be designing the way the Arena system works around an individual spec. We agree that double Blood DK's in Arena are too strong at the moment and we're looking into some other changes in that regard.

Also, while you're here, I'd like to ask why it was decided that Necrotic Strike should be affected by the healing debuff? It means a DK will effectively lose his prime damage component over time.
Because the absorption effect of Necrotic strike effectively becomes more and more powerful as healing gets reduced. This would mean that teams which have this mechanic at their disposal would be at a great advantage once Dampening starts to kick in. The damage component of Necrotic Strike remains the same, however.

How would Polymorph work in conjunction with Dampening?
Another great question that I will look into.

What about teams that will save their major damage cooldowns for after the 10 minute mark?
At that point of the match, you're in just as much danger as the other team. Not only that, it's a gradual increase and not a sudden one; this means that the 10 minute mark is still the same as the 5 minute mark.

How will this effect Anti-Magic Shell? Does it go away once 1 damage is taken?
Absorption effects are affected in the same manner as healing in regards to Dampening. So it should absorb 1% less every 10 seconds after the 10 minute mark.

How would this change effect a DoT cleave, especially in combination with a Gateway. I can see teams kiting for a long amount with almost no risks/downsides.
Can you elaborate further on how you see this style of comp changing its play style to adapt to the new system?

If anyone else sees an issue with this system where particular classes or compositions will change their gameplay to take advantage of this system, please let us know.

And if necrotic is affected, how about mortal strike effects?
Mortal Strike effects are percentage based, while Necrotic Strike is based off of the Death Knights Attack Power. While Mortal Strike effects scale along with the heals because they are based on percentage, the healing shield effect from Necrotic Strike would get exponentially stronger the more Dampening kicks in. This is the reason that Necrotic Strikes healing shield is getting reduced at the same rate as healing, but Mortal Strike effects are not.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Stormwind (City) Denizens – a Query
Hello denizens of Stormwind – jewel of Human civilization. I have a query for you. When you look over the city and think of it ever so fondly, what feature do you think of most? What is your favorite aspect of the city and do you have any favorite NPCs there? (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Region-Wide Arena Queue Times
We're aware players are reporting that they're experiencing longer queues than normal for Arena. We're currently looking into this and when we have more information on the matter, we'll get back to you. For the time being, please discuss this matter in the active thread here: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8380918087 (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Arena Participation
Warrior participation has definitely increased, but the ratings seem to be looking normal right now. We'll be keeping an eye on things though, sometimes it’s hard to tell if there’s really a need for a quick hotfix from the very beginning of a new season and/or patch.

Players are also starting to get new weapons right now, and that can result in players experiencing sudden changes, especially on the apparent damage output of classes that scale particularly well with weapons.

I know that everyone expects devs to always react immediately to everything but sometimes things should be allowed to go on for a while in order to be able to increase the level of confidence before making any changes, if we don’t, we risk having to keep reverting changes all the time or keep making adjustments if the changes are too conservative. In my opinion that’s worse than waiting a bit before a well thought out hotfix is applied, too many changes tend to detach players from the game. It’s true that sometimes this has backfired, but more often than not, time reveals that the changes aren’t actually necessary or that they didn’t need to be as strong as initially thought out. Sometimes there’s just an initial entropy that stabilizes over-time (because WoW is not an isolated system). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Hearthstone Innkeeper's Invitational
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

BlizzCon draws ever-closer, and we have an exciting Hearthstone announcement to share with you all today!

Some dedicated members of the Hearthstone community have been bestowed the honor of showing you just a taste of what competitive card-slinging is all about in our featured one-time Hearthstone BlizzCon exhibition tournament: The Innkeeper’s Invitational!

The idea behind the Invitational is simple: Take some of Hearthstone’s most passionate players and pit them against each other in a no-holds-barred deathmatch . . . er, pit them against each other live on stage at BlizzCon with three of their best constructed decks at their side. Each player must bring three decks with three different classes and they will battle each other in a set of best-of-five matches. If one of their chosen decks loses, it's out for good! The losing player will then have to choose one of their remaining decks to battle with, and if they run out of decks, that's the end of their run: Time to pay your tab and don't forget to tip the innkeeper.

As our invitees duel down to the last card and bounce each other out the doors of the tavern (more formally called “being eliminated”) in this tournament, only one player will remain standing and be named "Grandmaster of the Hearth", receiving a fitting trophy for their impressive efforts.

Who have we chosen to step into the tavern? Open the doors yourself and take look!

Top Bracket
  • Day[9] Vs. Reckful
  • Hafu Vs. Kripparrian

Bottom Bracket
  • Trump Vs. Husky
  • Noxious Vs. Artosis

This is a great opportunity to see some of your favorite Hearthstone players in action and to watch a few fun, casual, and friendly games of Hearthstone, live at BlizzCon! Not heading to BlizzCon this year? Don't miss any of the action from the comfort of your own home by watching the semi-finals and finals via http://www.blizzcon.com or our World of Warcraft Twitch channel.

Don't want miss a second of all the exciting BlizzCon action? Watch the full event, which includes exciting Blizzard developer panels and other featurettes, by purchasing a Virtual Ticket today. Sign up now and you’ll also receive a Mystery Minion to add to your Hearthstone collection!

Fan Art
More art for the WoW Tribute book!

This article was originally published in forum thread: The Crowd Chose You Hotfix Feedback, Blue Posts, Hearthstone Invitational, Fan Art started by chaud View original post
Comments 32 Comments
  1. F-Minus's Avatar
    They should just make a sudden death scenario when timelimit is hit, reset all debuffs on all players, reset the back to the start points, lower their health to 100k and go fight, without any reductions to abilities.
  1. Bawk's Avatar
    So they invited players for Hearthstone in a closed-beta environment, leaving people who are VERY interested in the game in the dust. I'm sure the list would be different if other, passionate TCG players hit the RNG lottery with the invites. The beta should've opened up a lot quicker.

    Ah well. I sure the matches will be interesting, either way.
  1. Shauni's Avatar
    If you received a beta invite, it means you were interested enough to ask for the invitation in the first place, no ?
  1. Haidaes's Avatar
    Oh the whining .. lol.

    They should just make a new arena mode where no healing specs are allowed, you know like an actual arena, and let the people just brawl to death. No tedious, boring ass 10-40 minute matches, because of impossible to kill healers. Then they can make the current arena for tanks and healers only where they can enjoy beating on one another for hours on end with out ever getting shit done.

    Edit: The necrotic strike whining is even worse. The thing already hits like a wet noodle, the healing reduction is there to compensate for that. Making the healing reduction worse is like making everyone else do less dmg or making it negativly scale with resilence.
  1. Walterpayton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shauni View Post
    If you received a beta invite, it means you were interested enough to ask for the invitation in the first place, no ?
    Lots of people who asked for/signed up for beta didn't get keys though
  1. Ealyssa's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by F-Minus View Post
    They should just make a sudden death scenario when timelimit is hit, reset all debuffs on all players, reset the back to the start points, lower their health to 100k and go fight, without any reductions to abilities.
    That would HEAVILY favor burst comp... Terribad idea imo.
  1. balatro's Avatar
    Blizz is getting ready to destroy another part of Stormwind!

    The Alliance, suffering so the Horde doesn't have to.™
  1. markdall's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by balatro View Post
    Blizz is getting ready to destroy another part of Stormwind!

    The Alliance, suffering so the Horde doesn't have to.™
    Yeah that was my first thought. I still check in on my abandoned main and alts on my abandoned PVP server once in a while, and I really miss Stormwind - it's really nice looking. My favorite part is the main bank near the front of the town, but I also love the trees outside of the PVP building. I also miss the tram.
  1. Rush2803's Avatar
    Yay YouTube douchebags play Heartstone live!

    Can't wait to skip that.
  1. Zarnax's Avatar
    seriously ? whining about a DK's necro getting nerfed ? it's a bout time, priests & hunters had their mana drains removed , & dk remains the only class with healing absorb ? Bullshit, give em healing reduce like any other class, at least u guys need some skills then
  1. ShimmerSwirl's Avatar
    I'm not sure I follow. Looking specifically at the 2v2 bracket, matches where either team is running double DPS typically end before the 5 minute mark. They sometimes go longer, but almost never to 10 minutes. The games that do involve Blood DK's, which as I mentioned a few moments ago, we're looking to make additional changes to.
    If I had any lingering doubt about Blizzard's design incompetence, this comment removes it. They truly are clueless. Of course most matches ended quickly in the past, because it is in the dps' best interest to do so. And now its in their best interest to drag matches out to the 10 min mark, and trust me everyone will try. Stealth, kiting, running around on mounts...they'll do whatever it takes to get to that 10 minute mark and then simply destroy any team with a healer. We are going to see healer teams dwindle to zero before Blizzard realizes what a awful idea this is.
  1. Bigsilly's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Frakchaw View Post
    Yay YouTube douchebags play Heartstone live!

    Can't wait to skip that.
    We all know Swifty is going to win somehow, with his super top secret macro that he will tell everyone about.

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