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Patch 5.4.2 - Karazhan Cleanup
You might have noticed the addition of a new phase, "Karazhan Restoration" in the latest PTR build. It is unclear what that phase will be used for, but the regular version of Karazhan has seen some cleanup in 5.4.2. Most of the spiderwebs, skeletons, and overturned chairs have been removed. All other signs of abandonment and age remain untouched.




Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Warlords of Draenor Beta
Yes, No or IDK interview question time! Will we see WoD Beta before the end of February?
IDK (Source)

Warlords' preview looked great but pretty raw compared to how polished everything was for the Pandaria announcement.
That's odd. Feels like we are farther along for WoD than we were for MoP. (Source)

Classes
Will tank dps be looked at for WoD, It's just not right that they are top on so many encounters. They should NEVER be
We are planning on changing Vengeance to only affect defenses and just making tank abilities hit harder. (Source)
That should let tank DPS be relevant, without it being absurd. They may still win meters on big AE fights. (Source)

DoT snapshotting existed before MoP and it's a skill differentiator. The balance issue is Pandemic.
The real issue is temp stat boosts. We just can't do them in class CDs, trinkets etc. when snapshotting is so prominent (Source)

Spirit won't matter as long as you have varied regen mechanics, mindbender vs innervate? rofl. 600kmana/9min vs 180k/9min...
You can't compare spells in a vacuum. Who runs out of mana first, the Holy priest or Resto druid? (Source)

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Hey.. speaking of the new character models.. will druid forms get some love aswell?
I doubt it. They were redone fairly recently in the grand scheme of things. (Source)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
You say you want hunters to fill the role of mobile ranged, then give us Snipe. I don't get it. (1of2)
The intent is someone who is willing to deal with the challenge of non 100% movement can perhaps benefit from DPS. It's optional. (Source)

Mage (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Will fire mages get a revamp in 6.0? You remarked before they need work but was not essential in 5.4.
in what way do you think that combustion is hard to understand?
It's not hard to understand per se it's the insane decision tree that Combustion + Alter Time creates & the penalty for failing (Source)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Is slice and dice deleted for Warlords of draenor (for sub and combat)?
Not at the moment. We just want to distinguish rotations a bit more by not having all rogues have to manage it. (Source)

Warlords of Draenor Flying
I was wondering if Blizzard was planning to cut flying altogether from WoD? The forums can be a scary place sometimes. :|
No. We like no flying when content is relevant. In 6.1 the Draenor zones won't be current, but there will be a new no-fly zone. (Source)

No Flying till 6.1 = Awesome. Will we have FelReaver-esque SAVAGE things to look out for and remember for years to come?
Yes. It is a world of giants. There are gronn and even larger things stomping about. (Source)

We have to quest to fly in 6.1? Why is Blizzard so in love with grinds? I just want to pvp.
The soul of the game is progression. You overcome challenges to earn things. Rewards for free don't feel like rewards. (Source)

Put a compelling, interesting, or fun activity in that encourages people not to fly. Don’t force it
Is there anything fun or compelling about raid trash? Repair costs? Earning lesser charms? Yet those still have value... (Source)

Name one thing that barring flight gives you that you couldn't do with a little bit of ingenuity without barring flight.
Swoop down, kill quest target, fly away without fighting anything else. (Source)
It seems a lot of the dislike for flying is from pvp? Would I be correct in that assumption?
A small part of it, but we also hate the way folks quest with flying mounts. Swoop down, unlock prison cage, swoop away. (Source)
Questing is boring and tedious as hell at this point. I'd rather just be done with it ASAP.
We don't want it to be an endless slog, but we do view questing as a core component of the experience. (Source)

Can’t wait to see the end of WoD when “No flying” is written off as a mistake after all your defending. Same as dailies were
It's always possible, but we were happy with no flying until 90 and no flying on Timeless Isle or Isle of Thunder. (Source)

PvE
Quick question: what's your favourite class/spec & raid boss? I know you work in a lot of those, but pick one of each
It wouldn't be prudent to answer the first. For the second, tie between new Ragnaros and Lei Shen. (Source)
Lich King was amazing (fav by miles), rag was sick too though. Lei Shen has been one of the best balanced bosses tho
I liked LK a lot, but if I'm being honest, too much of the fight was burning adds or Defile lightning reflexes. Still great. (Source)

can we please have CD reset on ICD effects on boss pull?
We are going to work very hard to make lining up everything on the pull less of a thing. It causes bad gameplay overall. (Source)

Are we supposed to clear Normal *and* Heroic before getting to Mythic?
Just heroic. If you are a mythic prone guild (mythic curious?) then normal is probably too easy and unrewarding for you. (Source)

Delay the start of raiding in WoD for 1 ~ 2 weeks please! Nice to be able to level without having to rush.
We think that worked out well for MoP. (Source)

Plus, the word Mythic sounds pretty awesome, in my opinion. That matters to people, right?
But everyone at Blizzcon called it MYSTIC. (Source)
Avoid the Mythic/Mystic confusion. Use a word you already use. Legendary Raid!
When we debated that, the fear was the immediate assumption that it dropped all orange loot. (Source)

While there are more 10h than 25h raiders, both groups are still very small. We support heroic raiding, but let's keep the in perspective. (Source)
This is going to be like 5.0 dailies. Wrong solution to the right problem. The ICC system is preferable to a single size.
The problem with ICC is the 10-player raiders felt like second class citizens since the ilevels were lower. (Source)
So how does returning ten mans to second class status make sense now? That is where they are going back to.
Ten player raiding is extremely popular and we are going to continue to support it. Ten player heroic raiding is much less popular. (Source)

For the much larger population of 10n players, flex in 6.0 will only help them. (Source)
The problem with flex is, people stop at 13-14 players because mechanics switch to 25m mode. People dont want to fill up.
There are some break points today, but we've fixed most of those for 6.0. (Source)

Will Mythic mode have to be unlocked by completing Heroic mode? Much like going from Normal mode > Heroic mode is now.
Not sure yet, but it will definitely unlock a week later like it does today. (Source)
but we can start in heroic mode right?Two clears before we can "start" would kinda kill the excitement IMO
Current plan (could change) is N and H on week two, Mythic on week three (if you've beaten H) and LFR after that. (Source)

It looks like it's an RL option, like today it's just another option on the list.
Correct. In LFR it's always personal. Else, raid leader can choose. You can argue he or she should go personal in a pug. (Source)
Can you tell if the groups made from the new Browsing Raid will be able to change Loot Specialization middle raid?
Sure. We'll likely still have bonus rolls, and those are always personal even if your loot system is not. (Source)
Would you consider keeping all mount/pet drops as personal even if loot system is not?
I'd worry that some groups like to decide who gets the mount. (Source)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
New GPUs from AMD are on the way, so if you are only upgrading your GPU it might be worth it to wait a month or two.

The current SSD prices are stable, with most SSDs under $1 per gigabyte when on sale. RAM prices are remaining high.

The Haswell CPUs run a little bit on the warmer side. Depending on how much you want to overclock, you may need to spend a bit more for a better CPU cooler like the NH-D14 or H90.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 4770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in Folding@home, take a look in our team's thread.


Peripherals/Monitors
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorAsus VE228H 21.5-Inch Monitor - $126ASUS VS248H-P 24-Inch Monitor - $160
KeyboardKensington Pro Fit Media Keyboard - $18Cyborg V.5 - $45
MouseLogitech G400s - $45Razer Deathadder - $47
SpeakersCreative A220 2.1 Speaker System - $28Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $35
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorAsus VE258Q 25-Inch Monitor - $213HP ZR2440W 24-inch - $333
KeyboardLogitech G510s - $82CM Storm QuickFire XT - $95
MouseLogitech G500 - $62Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $70
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $53Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $65


Puppy and Dolphin
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Puppy and Dolphin.
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT Source 210 - $35NZXT Source 210 - $35
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $50XFX Core Edition PRO 550W - $60
CPUAMD FX-6300 - $119AMD FX-8320 - $160
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $25Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $33
MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2.0 - $95ASUS M5A99FX PRO - $118
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $408GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $80
Graphics CardMSI 7790 OC - $100Gigabyte R9 270X or Gigabyte GTX 660 - $207 / $170
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $56Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $87
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$542$765 - $802


Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Corsair Air 540 (Special Layout) - $150
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX V2 - $90Corsair 750HX - $110
CPUIntel i5-4670K - $235Intel i7-4770K - $339
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $56Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $78
MotherboardASUS Z87-A - $144ASUS Z87-PLUS - $160
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $8016GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $162
Graphics CardXFX 7950 OR MSI N760 TF - $250 / $250Gigabyte R9 280X OR ASUS GTX 770 - $300 / $315
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $87Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $87
SSDSAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $120
OR
Plextor 128 GB M5 Pro (Review) - $113
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (Review) - $130
OR
SAMSUNG 840 Pro 128GB (Review) - $132
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$1137 - $1156$1521 - $1555


Blizzcon Cosplay Video
Blizzcon had some very nice cosplay this year!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.4.2 - Karazhan Cleanup, Blue Tweets, Setup of the Month, Blizzcon Cosplay started by chaud View original post
Comments 145 Comments
  1. Venziir's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Korthas View Post
    We have to quest to fly in 6.1? Why is Blizzard so in love with grinds? I just want to pvp.
    The soul of the game is progression. You overcome challenges to earn things. Rewards for free don't feel like rewards.

    FLYING IS NOT A REWARD! We have already had flying for years. You are taking it away and then trying to make it a reward again. I don't mind having to wait til max level to get flying back, but making it a stupid quest line to get back is simply stupid.

    Lich King has done it best so far. No flying until max level and then a BoA journal to give it to your alts earlier.
    Actually, you could fly at lvl 77, and the BoA tome wasn't added until later.
  1. Fleugen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Korthas View Post
    We have to quest to fly in 6.1? Why is Blizzard so in love with grinds? I just want to pvp.
    The soul of the game is progression. You overcome challenges to earn things. Rewards for free don't feel like rewards.

    FLYING IS NOT A REWARD! We have already had flying for years. You are taking it away and then trying to make it a reward again. I don't mind having to wait til max level to get flying back, but making it a stupid quest line to get back is simply stupid.

    Lich King has done it best so far. No flying until max level and then a BoA journal to give it to your alts earlier.
    People treating flying as anything more than a perk they've allowed you to have is silly. That's all it is, and all it's ever been.

    It IS a reward, and I'm glad they're sticking to their guns this time.
  1. Sleepy Time Gamer's Avatar
    I am so pumped for 5.4.2...

    So my attack power will stop being in bright red.
  1. ihyln's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    People treating flying as anything more than a perk they've allowed you to have is silly. That's all it is, and all it's ever been.

    It IS a reward, and I'm glad they're sticking to their guns this time.
    I think we'll all have a good laugh when we look back at this thread one quarter after WoD is released after a nice dip in subs they will backtrack this whole "not let people fly" thing. Just like with dailies, just like with difficult dungeons in cata, and every other inane thing they do at the beginning of each expansion
  1. Fleugen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ihyln View Post
    I think we'll all have a good laugh when we look back at this thread one quarter after WoD is released after a nice dip in subs they will backtrack this whole "not let people fly" thing. Just like with dailies, just like with difficult dungeons in cata, and every other inane thing they do at the beginning of each expansion
    There is no 'backtrack' unless they backtrack before they implement it. They're holding it back for one patch. If one patch is too much for people to wait, then that's their problem; I'd prefer the game lose those subs and get better than continue to cater to the whiny bastards who can't stand to actually play the game, and would rather rush to the end so they can complain about nothing to do in the end.
  1. Sykol's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    There is no 'backtrack' unless they backtrack before they implement it. They're holding it back for one patch. If one patch is too much for people to wait, then that's their problem; I'd prefer the game lose those subs and get better than continue to cater to the whiny bastards who can't stand to actually play the game, and would rather rush to the end so they can complain about nothing to do in the end.
    No matter what you think, end game in WoW is about all that matters. People are still gonna rush regardless of flying or not, and the only thing restricting flight does is limit the amount of people solo leveling through the world to 100, instead forcing groups to grind certain mobs for max XP, or causing that sweet "AFK in SW and dungeon queue spam" we're all such fans of. It isn't going to bring back WPVP or entice people to "slooooow down" and enjoy the zones, just like Pandaria didn't.
  1. Guenhwyvaria's Avatar
    Flying was a bad idea in the first place. Its basically noclip with a mount model.
  1. Fleugen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sykol View Post
    No matter what you think, end game in WoW is about all that matters. People are still gonna rush regardless of flying or not, and the only thing restricting flight does is limit the amount of people solo leveling through the world to 100, instead forcing groups to grind certain mobs for max XP, or causing that sweet "AFK in SW and dungeon queue spam" we're all such fans of. It isn't going to bring back WPVP or entice people to "slooooow down" and enjoy the zones, just like Pandaria didn't.
    I don't care for PvP, world or not. And it is more than enough reason for me to slow down and enjoy myself because there isn't a nagging feeling in the back of my head telling me I'm going slower than I could be, simply because I'm not riding a flying mount that skips over the twists and turns in the road. People seem to ignore that flying trivializes the world so much that there might as well not be a world to explore. People would still go out into the old world when there wasn't flying, people will still go out into the new world when there isn't flying.

    And, just like LFR's ques, it will keep people seeing the world the Devs work hard to create for us for just a bit longer. Until they're sick of it, specifically. And regardless of flying or not, people will get sick of the new world just like all the others, and the world will return to que's from (insert new major city here) while riding (insert favorite mount here).
  1. Magistrate's Avatar
    How can you take away something that someone didn't have in the first place?

    Blizzard isn't "taking away" anyone's flying in Draenor because you can't fly there yet. You could say that if they were, say, removing flying in Northrend.

    This really isn't a big deal. I'm pretty sure while I was watching the live stream or subsequent interviews that it was said that they were at least thinking about removing the gold sink for it and just making it a quest chain. I'd rather spend a couple days doing non-repetitive quests with some lore attached to them than spending weeks saving up gold (per alt) to purchase it.

    However, even if I'm wrong on that (admittedly rather vague) memory, I'd still rather have content to drive game mechanics than just mechanics (gold and a level cap) to drive mechanics.

    Also, they've done account-bound quest chains before. Most recently, the pet quest chains are all account-bound. It's not like it's impossible.
  1. Tenjen's Avatar
    Jessica Nigri, awesome as always

    also i for one enjoy revisiting places i've been to see how they have progressed and changed since i was last there. What effects my char caused on the area after ingame years
  1. Crucious's Avatar
    Sweet new content...oh wait. So this is the way Blizz does things now. Make a raid in org so we dont have to do much artwork, rehash Kara for the same reason. It's unbelievably painful to watch as Blizz spouts this "new content" and people worship it.

    You fail blizz
  1. Kerchunk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrate View Post
    How can you take away something that someone didn't have in the first place?

    Blizzard isn't "taking away" anyone's flying in Draenor because you can't fly there yet. You could say that if they were, say, removing flying in Northrend.
    Sorry, but what a ridiculous thing to say. I can't do *anything* in Draenor yet so by your logic they could basically delete my character and they "wouldn't be taking anything away" from me since my character doesn't yet exist in Draenor.

    Whether or not you support no-fly content, it's beyond tragically hilarious that they are trying to make it about "rewards." You can't make something feel rewarding by removing it and making people re-earn it. That's not a reward. Especially when we know it's just going to be taken away again at the next content patch.
  1. Tripz's Avatar
    Mere Speculation, but wouldn't it be fucking awesome if Garrosh is released, and goes to Karazhan to try and find the equipment he needs to dimension travel while we chase him only to watch him make it? That is why I think the clean up is taking place. Or they are preparing Kara for WoD.
  1. Skorpionss's Avatar
    my wish for kara is that they make it a guild hall... you start up with cleaning it, then you refurbish it and put boss heads/loot on walls and unlock different upgrades for it, including profession trainers and new profession NPCs that let you use the professions without learning them once per day each.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerchunk View Post
    Sorry, but what a ridiculous thing to say. I can't do *anything* in Draenor yet so by your logic they could basically delete my character and they "wouldn't be taking anything away" from me since my character doesn't yet exist in Draenor.

    Whether or not you support no-fly content, it's beyond tragically hilarious that they are trying to make it about "rewards." You can't make something feel rewarding by removing it and making people re-earn it. That's not a reward. Especially when we know it's just going to be taken away again at the next content patch.
    you don't logic much do you?
  1. Harazi's Avatar
    Why are people assuming Medivh will be the villain for WoD? You guys *are* aware his spirit convinced the races to come together to battle the Legion at Mt Hyjal? After that, I believe he basically allowed his soul to fade away into the nether. He practically doesn't exist in any form anymore.
  1. Aevyn's Avatar
    Can someone explain me: Blizzard wants to release content faster, but wants us to SLOWLY enjoy it and TAKE OUR TIME.
    We can't play all day so thus not see all content, EXCEPT if the content is not as much as "the usual" so they can actually fill expansions with less content, but release it faster and make it LOOK like they do more.
    An example; you don't get flying in WoD, so you run to your places slower, so it takes more time to get somewhere, to complete an objective, thus either; not complete all objectives since it takes more time, or you do complete it but at a slower phase = shows it's less content since you can complete it in the same amount of time as before...
  1. Kerchunk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Skorpionss View Post

    you don't logic much do you?
    It requires dizzying heights of narcissism to call someone who disagrees with you "illogical."

    It is not a matter of "logic" whether you think that "reward" is an apporpriate way to describe something that you give something, take away, and then return at a later date once they've "earned it."

    If the "soul of the game," as the say, is progression then one would expect to progress, not to regress. Progression means advancing. Going from flying to not-flying and then back to flying again is NOT "progression." It is going in circles.

    To be clear, I'm fully in support of no-fly zones. I think it's a good way to design content. I just think it's silly to try and pretend it's about making players feel "rewarded." It is a design choice, period. That's it. It's easier and faster to design good content if players can't fly. So Blizzard should just say that and drop this bullshit about rewards and "earning" the right to fly and shit. It just sounds stupid and insulting.
  1. Skorpionss's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerchunk View Post
    It requires dizzying heights of narcissism to call someone who disagrees with you "illogical."

    It is not a matter of "logic" whether you think that "reward" is an apporpriate way to describe something that you give something, take away, and then return at a later date once they've "earned it."

    If the "soul of the game," as the say, is progression then one would expect to progress, not to regress. Progression means advancing. Going from flying to not-flying and then back to flying again is NOT "progression." It is going in circles.

    To be clear, I'm fully in support of no-fly zones. I think it's a good way to design content. I just think it's silly to try and pretend it's about making players feel "rewarded." It is a design choice, period. That's it. It's easier and faster to design good content if players can't fly. So Blizzard should just say that and drop this bullshit about rewards and "earning" the right to fly and shit. It just sounds stupid and insulting.
    I was refering more to the first paragraph... but whatever I won't bother explaining to you why it was illogical.
  1. HardlyWaken's Avatar
    Random player: Blizz, there's a lot of great old content in WoW. Any plans on dusting off the cob-webs for any of that content and make it feel more up to date?

    Blizz: Good news everyone! We've been listening to player feedback and removed the cobwebs! Enjoy!
  1. Kerchunk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Skorpionss View Post
    I was refering more to the first paragraph... but whatever I won't bother explaining to you why it was illogical.
    You understand that I was responding to someone who made a ridiculous claim and pointing out how ridiculous it was by extending their logic, right? It was an analogy, and it holds perfectly true if you read the post I was quoting.

    If you try to claim that Blizzard is "not taking anything away" because we don't currently have the ability to fly in Draenor then the same silly logic could be used to support removal of ground mounts or shields.

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