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Warlords of Draenor - Group Finder
Patch 5.4.2 adds cross realm listings to the Raid Browser, which has been in the game for several expansions now. Unfortunately only Ordos, the Celestials, and the Flex Siege of Orgrimmar wings are supported for now.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Since we're still seeing some confusion about the Group Finder, let me try to clear up what I can:

There are two completely separate developments going on here. One is the cross-realm functionality being added to our existing Raid Browser in patch 5.4.2. This is totally unrelated to the new Group Finder we announced at Blizzcon. Basically, we discovered that we could pretty easily add cross-realm browsing to the Raid Browser for 5.4 content, so we've done that in 5.4.2.

6.0's Group Finder is an entirely different thing being built from scratch. It'll allow you to find or create groups for basically any content you can think of, be it raids, dungeons, PvP, questing... heck, you could start a group for running laps in Dalaran if you wanted. It also won't be hidden away someplace that the majority of the playerbase won't notice -- it's gonna be a lot more front-and-center.

A lot of players are drawing parallels between our new Group Finder and the oQueue addon, and that's a perfectly valid comparison. We've been thrilled to see how people have taken to oQueue for finding organized groups, especially in 5.4, and feel that's the sort of thing that the game really should be providing to all players. We're not trying to "kill oQueue"; in fact, a lot of us use it ourselves. We just think that cross-realm group finding should really be part of the core game.

Or do you thinking having everyone on each other friend's list is how Blizzard is going to implement it?
The 6.0 Group Finder will not rely on BattleTags or RealID to form groups, no. Of course, you're more than welcome to share that information yourself with players you meet, and make new friends!

If I'm taking you out of context I deeply apologize Lore, but are you saying Blizzard is alright for the time being with us using Open-Que? I ask because concern of violating the ToU is the prime reason I have not ever used it.
Using oQueue does not violate the terms of service, no.

But with OQ you can put restrictions, view how well they've done before, and how well they're liked with the public. Openraid had a reputation how well people liked your raids and gave you upvotes. Is there any way they will add something like that to help people avoid groups lead by bad players, mean leaders or elitist jerks?
We do want to provide some options for group leaders to put some restrictions for who can and can't request to join their group. We don't want to do it in a way that encourages people to be too heavy-handed, but we also want to make the system easy and intuitive to use, and feel it's better for everyone if the system lets leaders be upfront about who they're willing to bring along.

Basically, we want to avoid a situation where you can be invited to a group and then immediately be kicked when the leader inspects your gear and finds you're 10 item levels lower than he or she is looking for (and then have to repeat that process until you eventually either find a group that will bring you or give up entirely). We'd rather do our best to make sure you only see groups that you've actually got a shot at running with

Patch 5.4.2 PTR Notes Update - December 5
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Classes
  • Mage (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Talents
      • Temporal Shield's healing should now correctly modified by effects that affect healing (Battle Fatigue, Mortal Strike, Dampening).
  • Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Talents
      • Improved checks on pathing for Intervene and Safeguard to address situations where Warriors may wind up under the terrain.

Quests
  • Catch and Carry: Druids can no longer attempt to catch Sacks of Grain while in flight form.
  • Lost Treasure: Resolved an issue where players may be unable to open Cache of the Legion.

Raids, Dungeons, and Scenarios
  • Siege of Orgrimmar
    • Norushen
      • Resolved a situation where Quarantine Measures may sometimes fail to destroy all life within the Quarantine Zone.
    • Galakras
      • Resolved a situation that may cause demolition NPCs to stop opening the door to one of the towers.
    • Paragons of the Klaxxi
      • Resolved an issue where players may fail to gain Hisek the Swarmkeeper's special ability if they were in the middle of casting a spell while interacting with his corpse.

Items
  • Crashin' Thrashin' Flyers should now be able to damage each other while in a sanctuary area.
  • MiniZeps should now be able to damage each other while in a sanctuary area.

Bug Fixes
  • Resolved an issue that caused players to not receive credit towards the Drop It! and Drop It Now! achievements.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Tanking Stats
What do i do with a +armor item when switching to dd spec?
Use it knowing you are wasting some stats, or swap those pieces out. You likely won't have armor in every non-armor slot. (Source)
So maybe you're swapping 3-5 pieces? Much better than today, which asks you to swap everything or at least reforge it all. (Source)

If dodge and parry are going byebye, Are tanks left with stacking mastery or stam? Gonna miss stat juggling.
We are going to add armor as a tanking stat. The combat mechanics can support that now. (Source)

I just cant get in my head how "Bonus Armor" in gear is more interesting that Dodge/Parry
Tanks gear for failure not success. Dodge and parry affected some boss swings. Bonus armor affects every one. (Source)
Im fine with P/D gone but saying those werent "interesting" stats. Avoidance is more interesting than flat mitigation
The tanking community was debating this long before I even joined the team. Twitter can't do that discussion justice. (Source)

Alts
Why dont you just limit accounts to one single char if you just dont want to support alts?
We like alts. But we get pressure from players who seemingly want to do content once, and then have all their alts ready to raid. (Source)
Devil's advocate what's wrong with that? You believe questing is important them less so favoring other activities.
Players originally made alts because they wanted to experience other characters. They wanted to actually play them. (Source)
There is some level of alt speed up that is appropriate, but we are hesitant to ever take too much of the "play them" away. (Source)

What are the better solutions for power lvling up our alts? Seems like flying helps..
I find the very notion that an alt *needs* to be power leveled to be worthy of more discussion. (Source)

PvP
You promised that vanilla pvp players would get some sort of recognition when Swifty interviewed you, any news on this in WoD?
I try not to promise much, but that is something we'd like to do. Did you rank in vanilla? (Source)

Arena class rep imbalances (spriest? WW monk? DK?), PvP gear worse than PvE gear in world PvP makes your side a hard sell!
I'd wager Arena and BG balance is more important to more players than the state of wPvP. (Source)
World PvP hasn't really existed in much of a form since TM vs. SS, which stopped once players had BGs to run. (Source)

So we will see the return of tanks in pvp? Great.
That's not the intention. Tanks in PvP aren't much fun for everyone else, except possibly as FCs. (Source)

So if I've sunk days into Darkspear Horde, I'm just screwed? Timeless Isle isn't even fun because of the imbalance.
Our intent with Ashran is to connect that zone to get balanced factions. (Source)

Just Another Morning - Blizzcon 2013 Movie Contest
This was the second place winner at the Blizzcon 2013 Movie Contest.

This article was originally published in forum thread: WoD - Group Finder, Dec 5 PTR Notes Update, Blue Tweets, Just Another Morning started by chaud View original post
Comments 72 Comments
  1. kejer's Avatar
    The first place winner
  1. hookus's Avatar
    I remember seeing the first place video during blizzcon stream and thought how that unfunny pos won. Now seeing the second place one, I'm truly wondering what the voters were smoking.
  1. chaud's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by hookus View Post
    I remember seeing the first place video during blizzcon stream and thought how that unfunny pos won. Now seeing the second place one, I'm truly wondering what the voters were smoking.
    Normally I keep my opinions off of the forum, but I'll chime in and agree. No idea how this didn't win first.
  1. Schmoopsy's Avatar
    I haven't logged in in ages, but the 1st place winner posted there inspired me to just so I can pitch in with "How the hell did that win anything, let alone first place?" The puppets are creepy, the voices are horrid, the theme is overplayed, and the jokes are non-existent.

    That said, reading some of the other comments, I guess "Just Another Morning" lost because so many people can't wrap their heads around the concept that even bad guys are relatable on some level.
  1. Scabb's Avatar
    I always knew I'd regret being involved in the rebellion. Indeed, initially I doubted I'd play through to the end of this expac because it didn't feel 'right' to be betraying the Warchief. Blizzard slowly won me round though by making Gary such a two dimensional ass-hat that even his own mother would have turned her back on him.

    So, I helped bring him down, was briefly happy and then this?

    Man, now I feel sad.

    Totally agree it beats the winner out 10 to 1. Perhaps the lack of dialogue and the fact it was from China weighed against it.
  1. Necrotica's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Schmoopsy View Post
    I haven't logged in in ages, but the 1st place winner posted there inspired me to just so I can pitch in with "How the hell did that win anything, let alone first place?" The puppets are creepy, the voices are horrid, the theme is overplayed, and the jokes are non-existent.

    That said, reading some of the other comments, I guess "Just Another Morning" lost because so many people can't wrap their heads around the concept that even bad guys are relatable on some level.
    Godwin time...

    But what about all the good things Hitler did?

  1. ZeroWashu's Avatar
    That video was very good. Almost makes you weep for him.... well, maybe not
  1. SkyeMcCloud's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Burn3d View Post
    This video deserved 1st place imo...
    This. When a video can suddenly make you give a crap about someone like Garrosh and even FEEL BAD for him, despite all he's done and will do, nothing should be able to top it.
  1. Ballantines's Avatar
    I usually don't speak in memes, but wtf did I just watch?
  1. ColbaneX's Avatar
    Meh, if only Garrosh had any remorse for the things he's done. But he doesn't, so I don't care. Still a very high quality machinima though.
  1. markdall's Avatar
    I was thinking about this recently "Did you rank in vanilla?" and a thread a few weeks ago "prove you played in vanilla" and realized that my level 64 Knight-Lieutenant should do the trick. I was pretty bummed when I found out none of my other characters can use his title, because as you can see it's not like I ever play him. I remember how happy I was to get that Lifestone trinket he's using. Heck the only reason he's even present in the armory is because I logged him in to get him the 9th anniversary FOS.
  1. Areden's Avatar
    This garrosh video made me feel so remorseful :/ Why cant i hold all those feels?
  1. Ferrouswheel's Avatar
    "We do want to provide some options for group leaders to put some restrictions for who can and can't request to join their group. We don't want to do it in a way that encourages people to be too heavy-handed, but we also want to make the system easy and intuitive to use, and feel it's better for everyone if the system lets leaders be upfront about who they're willing to bring along.

    Basically, we want to avoid a situation where you can be invited to a group and then immediately be kicked when the leader inspects your gear and finds you're 10 item levels lower than he or she is looking for (and then have to repeat that process until you eventually either find a group that will bring you or give up entirely). We'd rather do our best to make sure you only see groups that you've actually got a shot at running with"

    Translation. We're adding a half ass openraid/oqueue feature that has no upvoting for good groups and players and no downvoting for bad groups and players so this will fail, nobody will use it and continue using far superior addons that non employees make. It's entirely amusing to me that random people who just play the game are better at designing than the people fucking paid to.
  1. Nathiest's Avatar
    Wait... We can still use our flying mounts until we inter WoD new zone right?
  1. Visenna's Avatar
    The winner video has so much talking about nothing. The second has no words in it but says so much more. I didn't like Garrosh but felt torn fighting him. I'm happy to have Vol'jin as warchief now, I always loved trolls and their lifestyle and language. Still it feels sad to see a proud orc warrior go...
  1. Zokten's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    How is this a lie? As the blue mentioned once Battlegrounds were added in World PvP basically died. Sure you had some here and there in some places (like Isle of Quel'danas), but it was still basically dead. If you think otherwise then you probably didn't play until one of the recent expansions.
    I'm sorry your server in vanilla didn't have world PvP for you. My servers still did.

    Also none of the expansions have done anything but help make sure their isn't world PvP.
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by IzoGray View Post
    Stupid confusing video. Why would it show Garrosh in a sympathetic light? The dude is an asshat.
    Whoosh!

    Cliff's note: Garrosh's point-of-view. Gives his character more depth than the two-dimensional story Blizzard cooked up. Understanding ≠ sympathizing.
  1. furydeath's Avatar
    Garrosh just wanted to stay in Nagrand but Thrall said no I need you in northren nooo I want you as warchief :<
  1. Schwert's Avatar
    Getting really sick of Vanilla players thinking they deserve extra crap because they played back then.
    All the removed content doesn't work for you? Actually having fun and engaging PvP grinds not enough? Mounts/Pets nobody else in the game will probably ever have? Kay.
    You have a feat of strength, title and free access to the transmog gear for that character. What more do you want? A giant mount that shoots lazer beams?

    Piss off.
    Whiners. I swear.
    One of WoW's benefits is that they've stopped spoon-feeding snowflakes like this. The only remnant left is .5% Gladiator (Which was mostly exploited/bought) with absolutely dead battlegroups and that's fixed this season due to the sheer amount of teams playing.

    Also - Good to see mages getting smacked with a "fix" - They're just as retarded (if not more) than warriors right now. Rogues and Warriors could do with some scaling back too.
  1. Lemonpartyfan's Avatar
    That second place video was freakin' vicious on my soul.

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