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Armory Stats - Character Item Level Distribution
Today we are taking a look at the item level distribution of Level 90 characters. There are 5.5 million characters and 2 million accounts that were active after November 1, 2013 that make up this sample. Main character is defined as the highest item level character on an account. The All Characters category has been scaled down to 37% of its true value to be easier to compare to Main Characters.

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Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
I'm so sad you are leaving. However unbalanced things are,I must thank you for making my paladin viable after TBC's horror.
Things are pretty balanced. It's fine for players to like BC class design, but it wasn't balance they liked. (Source)
things are not balanced at all what even
They are balanced enough. You can play any spec and progress meaningfully in PvE or PvP. (Source)
it's true but you have to walk a fine line between balanced and unique I felt classes lost a lot of unique sadly
We do too, and that's one of the advantages of a larger mythic raid size. (Source)
The alternative was some specs were just never going to get brought to a group, esp. a 10 player raid. Maybe would be better? (Source)

I know correlation isn't causation, but when came in, Frost was relegated to PvP, and as he leaves it's strong in PvE.
It was a philosophy change. Early on some specs were intended for PvP or PvE. I have no real objections to that model either. (Source)

I never understood after dual spec was added why you guys didn't stop trying to balance pve and pvp and just have a pvp spec
Some Frost mages and Sub rogues want to PvE with that spec. Not saying that's the best design, but that was the motivation. (Source)

I thought it was added because bosses were winding up with some needing 2 heal and some needing 3.
Dual spec was added because at the time, tanks and healers were terrible solo. That is less true today. (Source)

Is it possible for stacked CDs give diminishing returns, so that stacking CDs has higher burst, but lower dps? Unintuitive?
That is one solution. Another is just shared cooldowns. (Source)

Real question, so don't laugh. You think they will ever let hunters/locks gear pets, example collars with stats ?
Would there be sufficient gameplay there though? Wouldn't you just stack haste or int or your best stat? (Source)

Making some classes deliberately subpar was not a great thing, but some old mechanics were better
We're always happy to discuss old mechanics that you miss. I don't think it's e.g. short term blessings or Shadowbolt spam. (Source)

Why is this argument acceptable for some things and unacceptable for others? The issue of ability bloat, for instance.
Well for example, we changed talents and lost some players who preferred the old model. Same would be true of a large spell purge. (Source)
Yes, but, in theory if the change was actually better for the game you'd recoup any subscriber losses with gains, correct?
Theoretically. But hard to argue that cutting 20% of abilities (for example) would directly lead to many new or returning players. (Source)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Mana was never a issue and MoP hunter model was the worst yet. I think the LK/Cata hunter was much more fun
I prefer the MoP hunter, but obviously it's subjective. (Source)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
I made a twitter account just to ask one question: do you not see a problem btwn Holy vs Disc. HPriest here.
Disc is too versatile, esp. in 10s, and Atonement is too good at healing for no real mana cost. I've said that for awhile. (Source)

Dear Greg.. buddy... from Hpriest to another Hpriest, let's do something about our mana regen
I think it feels about right TBH. Mistweavers and Disc can get away with too little regen. (Source)

g/f keeps telling me holy is terribad compared to disc. what makes you stick to holy? ps. armory link?
Holy is fine. CoH and Divine Hymn can do things that Disc can't. I would agree Disc is too versatile, esp. in 10s. (Source)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
not sure this is your dept but why are rogue combo points still unique to the target and not the rogue like pally holy power
Target switching was always seen as a skill test for the rogue. You can argue it's archaic, but that was the design. (Source)

UI / Addons
along with millions of others, thanks! One if the best game additions ever.
Transmog needs a better UI and collection mechanic, but it will get one eventually. (Source)

Have you considered making "fire" in raids easier to see like static neon circles/boxes where it would/is happening?
Putting too many UI elements right in the world takes away from the world itself. It can look ugly. (Source)

PvE
Any plans in WoD for improving the endgame for people who don't like organized raiding?
It's something we discuss a lot but coming up with something fun and challenging has proven difficult. (Source)

Misc
Currently its raid or die.. while there is a lot more the game should be about. Low level content was abandoned too early
You mean like someone would go play a new level 40 dungeon? Or that leveling should be slower and less focused on finishing? (Source)

Have Blizzard ever thought about releasing a sequel to an expansion? Like 'Wrath of the Lich King 2' ?
It's always a balance between revisiting things players remember fondly and avoiding that rehashed feeling. (Source)

Dark Legacy Comics - #418
DLC #418 has been released!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Armory Stats - Character Item Levels, Timeless Answers Addon, Blue Tweets, DLC #418 started by chaud View original post
Comments 88 Comments
  1. MrExcelion's Avatar
    I like this chart and there's multiple uses for this data. That guesstimate of 1% of players actually doing heroic is accurate. 577, will be 579 next week most likely. The spike at 562/563 makes sense because that's what my alt is at. He's mostly normal gear with a cloak, but a lot of Ordos loot to inflate it too. Has nothing to VP upgrade.
  1. Hallek's Avatar
    It amuses me how after so many years Dark Legacy keeps making me laugh.
  1. Shambulanced's Avatar
    So rogues need a "skill test" of target swapping while Monks and Pallies get it for free?

    Come now, dev team. That's just silly.

    I've long held that rogues should be able to target swap on the fly--their combo points should represent combat momentum, and part of a rogue is agile, keen awareness of the fight. Look at, for example, how Batman functions in the Arkham Asylum series. He can battle multiple foes effectively because he can quickly change focus without losing any momentum.
  1. rsmiskell's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrouswheel View Post
    2 million players. Well what do you know? That's about the same as competing mmo's. It's quite shocking how little the sub number is when you're not using chinese time cards to inflate your numbers.
    Lol what did you get banned for? :O
  1. Mormolyce's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrouswheel View Post
    2 million players. Well what do you know? That's about the same as competing mmo's. It's quite shocking how little the sub number is when you're not using chinese time cards to inflate your numbers.
    Facepalm.

    That's not the total subscriber count, that's the sample taken for this survey.
  1. Fuzzah's Avatar
    there is serious issues with hunters right now, and that is viola! energypool! its to Little, rotations have Little choices, even worse as marksman.

    right now aoe damage as marksman and energycost for aimed shot need to be sorted.

    and make autoshots happen or remove wild quiver with somthing else.
  1. Cipero's Avatar
    I find it very disturbing to see how many people don't understand what a sample is in a basic data set... Is it just me? Please tell me I didn't just imagine learning about it in 4th grade.
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Interesting chart. Not going to ask Boub to do this.. But It would be interesting to see how many people/guilds quit on the last tier a little earlier. For me, once I killed Garrosh I could care less about increasing my ilvl. There isn´t a new raid coming.. In ToT, you wanted to keep pushing your gear because you knew it would help you when SoO came out.. Seems backwards, but in my opinion, it is less important to be BIS at the end of an expansion then mid expansion.

    Also, please be ready to throw this chart up when people talk about removing LFR. You see that big mass of people around 520? Those people are the reason we have 14 boss tiers rather than 6 boss tiers.
  1. bluspacecow's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Facepalm.

    That's not the total subscriber count, that's the sample taken for this survey.
    I lolz'd at his post.

    Btw anyone have the source of this data ?
  1. Tenjen's Avatar
    sample size only refers to the size of the sample used for this model. Not total population.

    If i ask 10 people in my building on their opinion of the plumbing quality. that doenst mean theres only 10 people in the building..
  1. bolly's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Arbs View Post
    Well when you think about, Investors really don't care where the numbers are, It's mostly Players who do.

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    No MMO-Champ is EU based, it would either be both or just EU from what past polls have been or shown.
    That's a horrible assumption. This is an example of the armchair economist...
  1. Ligier's Avatar
    If you're going to download the Timeless Answers addon, then you truly are worthless!
  1. Diamondium's Avatar
    Allow me to attempt some late-night (and therefore could be incorrect) graph analysis.

    At 581, there are 2 mains with that, and a 1 value of all. This means that with the downscale to 37% of it's original value, that makes 3 total.
    Okay, cool, nothing too outrageous about that. Or is there? This means that there are 2 characters at that level which are the top of their account, which takes 2 or the 3 spots available in the all category, leaving 1 character at that ilvl that is not the top of his/her account. The only reasonable explanation for this (apart from obviously not 100% reliable data, but that's no fun) is one guy/gal has 2 characters at 581. Please allow me to find this man/lady and shake his/her hand.

    Thought #2. Why even bother using real numbers on the y-axis then going through the effort of finding the exact amount of downscaling to do to make the graph look right? Why not just give a total number sampled for each, then use percentages of the total on the y-axis in order to compare? Seems much easier to me, and therefore each will be correctly scaled with each-other.

    Love seeing things like this though. Graphs and charts get me sexually excited, especially when they revolve around things I take an interest in.
  1. Farora's Avatar
    Yeah 2 million active players, sounds about right.
  1. Kromus's Avatar
    PvE
    Any plans in WoD for improving the endgame for people who don't like organized raiding?


    For real? They added LFR precisely for that genre of player, who wanted more endgame content. And in the process created the WORST feature I've experienced in the game. Absolutely terrible. People walking into raids with no knowledge, idea of their class and abilities nor the bosses, and expect to be carried and handed loot.

    I wish they would go back to the way things used to be. You got max level, you went to raid, or in later additions, you went and PVP'd. Maybe you enjoyed dungeons, maybe you made gold.

    If none of it appealed to you, you stopped playing the game and went to something else.

    Blizzard need to stop morphing the game to cater to everyone, and put resources into what made the game grea,t and that was endgame raiding. They need to stop catering for every level and everyone. If people arn't willing to organise a raid, put the hours in, or even research a boss, they shouldnt be raiding, end off.
  1. chaud's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondium View Post
    At 581, there are 2 mains with that, and a 1 value of all. This means that with the downscale to 37% of it's original value, that makes 3 total.
    Okay, cool, nothing too outrageous about that. Or is there? This means that there are 2 characters at that level which are the top of their account, which takes 2 or the 3 spots available in the all category, leaving 1 character at that ilvl that is not the top of his/her account. The only reasonable explanation for this (apart from obviously not 100% reliable data, but that's no fun) is one guy/gal has 2 characters at 581. Please allow me to find this man/lady and shake his/her hand.

    Thought #2. Why even bother using real numbers on the y-axis then going through the effort of finding the exact amount of downscaling to do to make the graph look right? Why not just give a total number sampled for each, then use percentages of the total on the y-axis in order to compare? Seems much easier to me, and therefore each will be correctly scaled with each-other.

    Love seeing things like this though. Graphs and charts get me sexually excited, especially when they revolve around things I take an interest in.
    The 2 vs 3 thing is just rounding. 2 * 0.37 = 0.74, which rounds up to 1.

    I used percentages originally, but looking at 0.0000057% isn't an easy to parse number. The main thing here is the shape of the curves and item levels, not so much the exact numbers.
  1. mbrmbr's Avatar
    Addon - Timeless Answers
    If you are still doing the lore question daily quest (A Timeless Question) on Timeless Isle, the Timeless Answers addon may be helpful. It will automatically select the correct answer for you!
    This is so funny, I feel tempted to make it my new signature
  1. Wayne25uk's Avatar
    That addon is beyond retarded,we are getting very close to an addon that just dings you to 90 and raids for you,or botting as its commonly called.

    If your that lazy dont play the friggin game,pisses me right off being lazy at a game......
  1. Neogeo's Avatar
    I wonder who's alt is that have 581 ilvl!
  1. Solidusbr's Avatar
    The numbers Mason! What do they mean?

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