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Armory Stats - Player Achievement Points Distribution
Today we are taking a look at the achievement points distribution of Level 90 players. There are 7.6 million characters and 2.9 million accounts that make up this sample. Main character is defined as the character with the most achievement points on an account.

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Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Warlords of Draenor Item Stats
Depends on if you are a class that benefits from all stats, some don't... and wish to reforge the bad stat.
Truly bad stats (and they do exist) are on us to fix. When one stat is 5% better and still considered mandatory = tough to fix. (Source)
Miss a break point by few hundred haste? Stuck with wasted stats until perfectly itemized piece drops. Back to BIS lists.
"Miss a break point by a few hundred haste" and "wasted stats" implies a level of min-maxing not necessary for almost all players. (Source)
Barely missing a break point? That's a rounding error for most of us overcome by better use of abilities and movement in a fight. (Source)
haste breakpoints for DoTs and HoTs are important. missing by 1 point means 1 less tick, and they are noticable.
There won't be break points on hots and dots any longer. (Source)
does this mean haste will increase the duration? instead of reducing time between ticks
Haste will increase the number of ticks, possibly resulting in a final fractional tick. (Source)

Please keep Reforging in. Now that hit and exp are gone, I don't see the reason for it to be removed.
It would mean you still have to reforge everything to your best secondary stat according to someone's website. (Source)
Reforging being gone won't stop min-max-ers to min-max their characters, at all. It will stop players defining their style.
I find that a bit contradictory. Whose style is it to do less damage by reforging into the wrong stat? (Source)
It is probably possible to get secondary stats closer, but not possible to get them all within 1% of each other in all fights (Source)
Maybe they meant: "want secondary stats to affect play style, not dps". Would be cool (hard as hell) to do that
Yeah it's hard because there will always be a mathematically-solvable right answer for DPS. Not so for tanks and healers. (Source)
We try to get around that by varying the situations a lot. Some fights need burst. Others need AE. Others need movement. (Source)
My dream: lots of abilities for dps, you pick and choose what your rotation uses due to what stat you favor. works in theory?
In theory. Might mean balancing a whole lot of different potential rotations. (Source)

It would mean you COULD reforge everything. You're taking AWAY choice. Now, a crappy piece of gear is a dud.
It's not really a "choice" though when the choice is play more effectively (reforge) or less effectively (be lazy). (Source)
a statment like that caterning for the people that dont give a shit about playing the game is a ..
I think you misinterpreted the statement. I was arguing reforging isn't really a choice because most players don't want to be bad. (Source)
(They may be bad anyway, but they likely aren't trying to be bad.) (Source)

Bringing back AP/SP is a bad idea. since stacking Agi/Str/Int we get even more from the 5% buff. Plz, dont hate us.
That is solveable. The idea is to make sure jewelry etc. can be shared more easily, particularly between Str and Agi users. (Source)
Another idea is rings swap Str and Agi (but not Int) the way armor does or something similar. (Source)
if I'm getting this right. There will be no primary stat on non-armor pieces?
Possibly on weapons, just because weapons are fairly iconic and don't have as much class overlaps as say rings can. (Source)
Obviously, this is all stuff that's in flux as "we" work through it all. (Source)

The post doesn't make this clear, but are they getting rid of Tier tokens?
We haven't decided. There is still some benefit in dropping paly-priest-warlock instead of just warlock. (Source)

Tertiary Stats
New loot system will make loot distribution a PITA. I'm not looking forward to dealing with more loot related drama.
Overall we find sharing fewer items to be better for morale even if the pieces that do drop are highly coveted. (Source)
I meant "Overall we find SHARDING fewer...." That changes the whole context. (Source)

Think tertiary stats dramas organized raids? Chest drops, give to tank. +lifesteal chest drops, give to tank again. 1st wasted
That will happen on rare occasions. But what if a chest drops with Lifesteal but a secondary the tank doesn't like, say crit? (Source)
My point is that overall the landscape will have more answers than just "Is it BiS? If not, pass." (Source)

Ridiculously powerful items being very rare and random like D3, w/o the ability to grind for these as much as you want. Why?
We want the long tail to be exciting. Otherwise you earn BiS quickly and shard everything else for weeks. (Source)

Why does WoD loot seem like Diablo loot system with a 1 week lockout and huge party requirement?
It's not nearly as random as Diablo. We just want to keep that 14th Immerseus kill somewhat exciting. (Source)
Lots of people will not see that as something cool or amazing dropping. To them it will feel like the other drops are shit.
Then they're going to go weeks and weeks without a new item if they pass everything that isn't BiS. MC loot style wasn't that bad. (Source)

If Tertiary stats aren't 'common enough to build a set around', then where's the gameplay? Who cares about +0.74% run speed.
Since we don't have to balance around the case of a run speed set, we should be able to make the effects much larger than 0.74%. (Source)
Run speed might be a bit too BiS for casters as a tert. stat dont you think?
Run speed will still be pretty rare and on some fights it's totally useless. Seems like a fine position for it overall. (Source)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
New GPUs from AMD are here, at least on paper. Finding any AMD GPUs is hard now, as is finding some of the Nvidia GPUs. Prices for many GPUs went up due to demand and the older GPUs being discontinued.

The current SSD prices are stable, with most SSDs under $1 per gigabyte when on sale.

The Haswell CPUs run a little bit on the warmer side. Depending on how much you want to overclock, you may need to spend a bit more for a better CPU cooler like the NH-D14 or H90.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 4770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in Folding@home, take a look in our team's thread.


Peripherals/Monitors
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorASUS VS228H-P 22-Inch Monitor - $126ASUS VS248H-P 24-Inch Monitor - $180
KeyboardKensington Pro Fit Media Keyboard - $18Cyborg V.5 - $45
MouseLogitech G400s - $40Razer DeathAdder 2013 - $53
SpeakersCreative A220 2.1 Speaker System - $28Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $35
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorAsus VE258Q 25-Inch Monitor - $233HP ZR2440W 24-inch - $356
KeyboardLogitech G510s - $97CM Storm QuickFire XT - $101
MouseLogitech G500 - $76Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $50
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $52Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $93


Puppy and Dolphin
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Puppy and Dolphin.
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT Source 210 - $35NZXT Source 210 - $35
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $50XFX Core Edition PRO 550W - $70
CPUAMD FX-6300 - $110AMD FX-8320 - $140
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $26Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $33
MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2.0 - $95ASUS M5A99FX PRO - $115
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $438GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $85
Graphics CardASUS 7770 - $93Sapphire 7870 OC or ASUS GTX 660 - $185 / $170
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $57Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $89
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$531$759 - $774


Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Corsair Air 540 (Special Layout) - $150
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX V2 - $105Corsair 750HX - $130
CPUIntel i5-4670K - $222Intel i7-4770K - $320
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $62Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $80
MotherboardASUS Z87-A - $140ASUS Z87-PLUS - $163
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $8516GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $166
Graphics CardASUS GTX 760 - $250ASUS R9 280X OR EVGA GTX 770 - $380 / $380
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $89Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $89
SSDSAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $120
OR
Plextor 128 GB M5 Pro (Review) - $119
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (Review) - $130
OR
SAMSUNG 840 Pro 128GB (Review) - $130
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$1154 - $1165$1619 - $1630


Icy Veins Christmas Contest
Our friends over at Icy Veins have acquired some very nice prize packages for their contest this year, with Collector's Editions of WoW, J!NX Apparel, AskMrRobot and Curse Premium accounts, mounts, pets, and more. All you have to do to enter is reply to their post with a WoW-themed Christmas Card.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Armory Stats - Achievement Points, Blue Tweets, Setup of the Month, Icy Veins Contest started by chaud View original post
Comments 71 Comments
  1. subanark's Avatar
    Removing reforging is fine as long as you aren't going to refuse an item (for your armor type) that is higher ilevel than what you currently have. They are trying to make those haste breakpoints small enough that you won't do this. They are also trying to make it so that you will take a higher ilevel item if it doesn't have the bonus stat over one that does. I'm sure they can manage that across tiers, but probably not at the same difficulty. In that, Normal -> Heroic might be small enough that an item with bonus armor (for a tank) on normal will be better than one without it on heroic.
  1. Dopplegager's Avatar
    18310 on my main. I find it interesting how EU players pass up US players around 8.7k.
  1. Tenjen's Avatar
    those stats are proof that there are only 30,000 people playing wow

    *jerks his knee hard and flies off into space*
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    I thought WOW was played by 7 millions... not 3 ? Is the game down to less than 3 millions now in EU?
  1. Luneward's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    I thought WOW was played by 7 millions... not 3 ? Is the game down to less than 3 millions now in EU?
    *sighs* Go find a dictionary. Look up what the word 'sample' means. Particularly when taking a sample to reflect statistical data.
  1. kamuimac's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Maythael View Post
    heh, I hope fire mage is far less crit dependent in WoD.

    I dislike rng deciding how much dps I'll be doing (loot drops) compared to a "twin" player getting nice drops, and prefer they kept reforging in the game... expanded it even.
    u gave example of fire mage - now imagine that ur playing fire and for few weeks/months only loot that is droping will be mastery/haste combo - how long will it take before u change spec cause all the loot u could possibly get will be utterly usless for ur spec ? with reforge u could at least be very weak fire mage without it ull be "just" forced to reroll to other spec untill rng will start droping u crit gear -_- fun design indeed -_-
  1. Trasvi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    u gave example of fire mage - now imagine that ur playing fire and for few weeks/months only loot that is droping will be mastery/haste combo - how long will it take before u change spec cause all the loot u could possibly get will be utterly usless for ur spec ? with reforge u could at least be very weak fire mage without it ull be "just" forced to reroll to other spec untill rng will start droping u crit gear -_- fun design indeed -_-
    ? How many people are going to know/care that much about gear to reforge slightly but still accept being 'weak' at their spec?

    The way I see that scenario playing out is more like:
    a) Haste/Mastery items drop, you don't know/care enough about what your 'optimal' stats are, so you equip them
    b) Haste/mastery items drop, you care enough about being an optimal player that you re-spec.
    c) You have mostly crit gear on but can't get a crit piece for a particular slot. With or without reforging, that piece is suboptimal and you will replace it at the first chance you get.

    Its not exactly as though re-speccing is difficult, time-consuming or expensive anymore... Pretty much every player will have 2 out of 3 specs covered anyway.
  1. Bahska's Avatar
    Fan: haste breakpoints for DoTs and HoTs are important. missing by 1 point means 1 less tick, and they are noticeable.
    Blue post: There won't be break points on hots and dots any longer.

    Fan: does this mean haste will increase the duration? instead of reducing time between ticks
    Blue post: Haste will increase the number of ticks, possibly resulting in a final fractional tick.
    umm......ok? I think this blue was drinking when he/she wrote this...I get what its trying to say its just misleading and weird.
  1. kamuimac's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Trasvi View Post
    The way I see that scenario playing out is more like:
    a) Haste/Mastery items drop, you don't know/care enough about what your 'optimal' stats are, so you equip them
    if a player would really give such impression or answear to his rl then he has no place anywhere besides lfr in organized group runs -_- unless u are happy with doin only lfr then sure this system will be soooo awesom for such players.
  1. Mekh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    u gave example of fire mage - now imagine that ur playing fire and for few weeks/months only loot that is droping will be mastery/haste combo - how long will it take before u change spec cause all the loot u could possibly get will be utterly usless for ur spec ? with reforge u could at least be very weak fire mage without it ull be "just" forced to reroll to other spec untill rng will start droping u crit gear -_- fun design indeed -_-
    So I guess people still don't realize that the secondary stats of items will be fixed?

    It's the warforged attribute, sockets and tertiary stats like running speed that will be RNG-governed.
  1. darxide's Avatar
    That achievement chart makes me sad. I haven't played the game in over 18 months, yet my "main" character (who I hadn't played for another 6 months on top of that) is still well beyond the curve for achievement points. The character who is still in Cataclysm dungeon drop blues has right around 10k achievement points.

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