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Flying and Gameplay
Using a flight path to automate travel between predetermined travel points isn't an argument to remove the need to be on the ground and work toward objectives through combat and exploration in a dangerous/challenging environment.

These things are not linked just because a flight path is "flight".

This is a problem they need to fix. Gameplay should not only exist in raids and Arena.
Both of which don't allow flying.

Not because the mobs don't hit hard enough but because it's easy as hell to skirt around their aggro range and not aggro them in the first place.
I've seen this response more than a few times, and it falls into the same line of reasoning. "Because I can put thought and effort into potentially avoiding "unnecessary" combat, those combat situations shouldn't exist." The same could be said of almost any content or mechanic or system, but it isn't a good argument for its removal as a part of the game.

Well of course not they are both very small environments that teams enter to work toward a common goal and therefore share nothing with the wide open world of wow where we used to be free to explore by every means possible.

So being able to fly in AV wouldn't make it easier to fly over combat to capture objectives? Being able to fly in a raid wouldn't trivialize encounters and remove the need to progress through the content, fly to the last boss, etc.? You can quest in a group of people, does that then negate your desire to fly and trivialize outdoor content?

I think you guys are missing the point that you still do have to fight. GC didn't want people swooping in on prison cages, but you need keys to open them which require you to kill mobs.
I think you'd appreciate more variety in your quests than kill collections. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Subrace Fan Art
Shoc put together some nice subrace mockups on the forum recently. Keep in mind this is just fan art!



Subraces in WoW
What do you think about adding subrace options to WoW? Keep in mind that time spent creating new textures and model tweaks for this would take away from the time spent on other art. The same applies for any lore and in game story that could be created to go along with them.

It appears Chris Robinson (Senior Art Director) took a look and liked the idea, with custom skins being something that he would like to see one day as well.

Other than that, the latest we have heard about subraces from the developers was in an interview:

  • The team has talked about more customization, such as sub races, for a long time. Some would require different models with different textures. A good way to give players access to the different races would also be required. Perks for the different sub races might also be interesting.

We also saw a mention of subraces a year or so ago in another interview:

  • Q: Recently in Twitter Ghostcrawler mentioned the possibility of making subraces such as Maghar orcs and Wildhammer dwarfs available with the player character model updates, how high chance is there that this would also allow us to play as Broken or Taunka?
  • A: If we ever opened up more races, I suspect we'd be pretty liberal about it, but to be clear, that feature is no more than a twinkle in some designer's eye at this stage.

Share your opinion and ideas on how to unlock subraces in the comments!


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This article was originally published in forum thread: December 20 Hotfixes, Blue Posts, Subrace Fan Art and Poll, Curse Premium Free Game started by chaud View original post
Comments 83 Comments
  1. SodiumChloride's Avatar
    Where is the "Ain't going to happen. LOL" poll option?
  1. Dawnshadow's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by NMX- View Post
    problem with this: list all the nightelf and human subraces.

    annnnnnd go!
    Human-- uncursed Gilnean. (Different voices, different selection of hair colors...) You could also do different racial perks for the other human kingdoms.

    Night Elf-- If you want to get technical, high elves are a long-separated subrace of night elves.... Also, Shen'dralar.
  1. Regalbeast's Avatar
    Dark iron dwarf warlock please.....
  1. Darkhallows's Avatar
    Hoping that subraces are more than a "twinkle" than they were a year ago.

    For the Orcs, how hard is it to just give them a secondary option, and change the name of Bloodfury to:

    Mag'har - Ancestor's Fury
    Dragonmaw - Dragonfury or something.

    Granted, all the issue seems to be is changed racials. I understand that can create balance issues, but they don't HABE to be combat oriented. Or even exist.

    Still though, I like the "we'd probably be generous with them" outlook, considering Dwarves have at least 4 good ones, Orcs have 3-4 potentials (Mag'har, Dragonmaw, maybe Mok'nathal, and one other) Trolls have a BUNCH, etc.

    Really hope to see Mag'har+Dragonmaw and the dwarf options in WoD, because there's really no reason NOT to have them at this point.
  1. TheGrey08's Avatar
    At the very least I'd like to just have the option to use sub race models, etc. Sure it would be sweet if there was a bit more lore and things, but that would take a lot of work and probably make us wait months longer just to have them in game. I personally don't care if you have to unlock them or not, but I think it's probably easier for them to not have to attach anything extra to them.

    My hope is that after the initial model revamp they are able to add most character customization in general as well as sub race models. Would be ecstatic if they could get this done anywhere between 6.0 and 6.2.
  1. calmestchaos's Avatar
    in case of sub races, can we finally adjust draenei? eredar as main race, draenei as sub, also since they have ability to be warlocks, allow that, considering they obviously have the potential. even though I know blizz like to avoid conflicting with their previous lore, night elves can be mages now considering highborne have an arcane background, even though the reason nelves couldnt be mages before was their attempt to avoid arcane after highborne damaged the world.
  1. Arbs's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    inb4 someone not actually realizing those are fan art...
    You & me both know someone will complain just to be that guy.
  1. The Ogdru Jahad's Avatar
    I love the lore and all, but sometimes blizzard just uses it as a terrible excuse. I don't know anyone that would actually want more lore in game to justify there being different subraces joining the two factions. No one is going to complain that there's no reason for x race to join the Horde. Just let us play as the models and if there's any "reason" it's called being a defector. The ENTIRE faction doesn't need to join, just a few individuals from the race.

    We don't need brand new starting zones or new quests or even "unlocks" to play as the races. Just give us the option to play as them simple as that.

    Please, if you feel different, tell me wrong and explain why we need starting zones or new quests or the unlock feature to justify new races joining the horde and alliance ranks.
  1. bbr's Avatar
    GoG has old games you can generally find in the abandonware sites.
  1. Designer's Avatar
    Subraces seem cool. But more I would like better design for landscapes and dungeons. I mean, Northrend was fresh kind of new landscape mostly, though parts of it got dull after a while. Sure Outlands had intriguing lands, too. But, many lands are more like boring deserts or boring forests. Please create cool deserts and cool forests.

    Dull landscape is something that is put together half heartedly. Better one is actually made so that it looks full of adventuring possibilities, variety of terrain, etc.

    One example of dull landscape was in the water region: Sure there was also cool corals and stuff, but then later it started to be just greenish grayish dullness in the area where were massive army fights.

    Now people have said that why another orc-expansion. Well yeah, why? The content is created from scratch, but I don't really trust that the content will be really original. For example I have seen cartoonish hills with few trees already many times.

    And the dungeons started to be more like hallways. I would like to have different kinds of terrains in dungeons too. Not only huge hallways and even bigger rooms.
  1. Crazozourus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    Cool, I made front page! Also, here is a list from my thread of some other subraces that might work.

    Some races can compensate for lack of sub-races with just more customization options. All sub-races are are additional customization options after all.



    Also, the wax museum Danny Trejo was my attempt at making the undead face alive, not really a sub-race lol
    Dranei could have The Broken and Goblins should get the underwater ones from Vashj'ir, the ones with the funny ears. Also Blood Elves could get High Elves as a sub-race.
  1. Exploitbat's Avatar
    If they implement subraces I will honestly consider stop playing. Alliance should mainly be Alliance. Horde should mainly be Horde, not include leper gnomes and whatever that should be their enemies. A few NPCs here and there works, but I don't want thousands of them in form of players.
    Yes, it's a magical world, but I like that there are certain rules and restrictions. Just as I feel like dumbing down the professions(for example) is ruining the game and makes it feel less like a world, the same way I feel about this.

    Might aswell let us play as pokemon, anime characters and furbys in WoW while we're at it.
  1. Stripeyhat's Avatar
    Man, I can't communicate just how much I would love to play a dark ranger.
  1. gurudanwan's Avatar
    I love the dark iron dwarves look with the black skin with amazing red eyes ;D
  1. The Ogdru Jahad's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Exploitbat View Post
    If they implement subraces I will honestly consider stop playing. Alliance should mainly be Alliance. Horde should mainly be Horde, not include leper gnomes and whatever that should be their enemies. A few NPCs here and there works, but I don't want thousands of them in form of players.
    Yes, it's a magical world, but I like that there are certain rules and restrictions. Just as I feel like dumbing down the professions(for example) is ruining the game and makes it feel less like a world, the same way I feel about this.

    Might aswell let us play as pokemon, anime characters and furbys in WoW while we're at it.
    If adding more variety makes you consider quitting the game, then good riddance. You're seriously equating the addition of pokemon, anime, and furbys to adding playable races that already exist within the game. You have no argument whatsoever.
  1. Rainiothon's Avatar
    I'm sure it's been mentioned, but there is already some precedent for alternate races to join the two main factions; the Council of Three Hammers for example. Textual explanations would suffice in these cases, and it would be easier than centering whole chunks of content around exposition. That said, I'm glad to see Chris Robinson shares my own enthusiasm for Mechagnomes!
  1. Seolla's Avatar
    I'd rather subclasses. The class system in FF-14 is amazing
  1. Ikkarus's Avatar
    Orc - Mag'har (They're alredy in the Horde)
    Troll - Forest Trolls (Revantusk tribe, already allies with the Horde)
    Tauren - Taunka (They're alredy in the Horde)
    Forsaken - The Val'kyrs could revive any race of Lordaeron, Trolls, Elves, etc..Am I the only that can picture Sylvanas killing and reviving High Elves to fight for her?
    Blood Elves - Hmm, I don't know, maybe some Felblood Elves? They could use the same excuse used with the Highborne and the Night Elves in Cataclysm...
    Goblins - Hobgoblins maybe?

    Humans - Hmm, they could change some aspects from the ppl of Gilneas and add some of them that are free from the curse as a subrace for humans...
    Dwarves - Dark Iron and Wildhammer (Alredy in the Alliance)
    Gnomes - Cured Leper gnomes maybe? (Sand Gnomes as an alternative choice)
    Night Elves - They missed the oportunitie to create a subrace when they introduced the Highborne back in Cataclysm..Well, they could easly change that...
    Draenei - Broken (*-*)
    Worgen - Yeah, I'm stuck in this one...

    Pandaren - Who cares...
  1. Achaman's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikkarus View Post
    stuff
    pre cata worgen and the corrupt looking eredar could be options i guess.. eredar would work since its wod

    i still prefer the pre cata worgen to the ones they gave us :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripeyhat View Post
    Man, I can't communicate just how much I would love to play a dark ranger.
    a pet'less bow class would be amazing as i hate being stuck with a pet or having to rely on one to tank shit

    not sure id want the "dark" skin to be the only option tho
  1. cheero's Avatar
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