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Armory Stats - Heroic Siege of Orgrimmar Class Representation
Today we are taking a look at class representation for characters that have killed a Heroic Siege of Orgrimmar boss at least once. There is no date restriction this time, so the sample comes from ~8.8 million characters and ~3.2 million accounts. Keep in mind that the sample size for Heroic Garrosh is less than 10,000 characters, so it is going to vary more than the larger samples.

We looked at the same kind of thing back in Catacylsm for Heroic Madness of Deathwing if you are interested in seeing how things changed.

When there is time, we can also look a this data by item level, Normal Siege of Orgrimmar kills, or several other factors. You can leave suggestions for future stat posts in the comments!

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Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
hardest thing I do as a RL is helping healers know theyre doing a good job / how to improve. New tool to help eval in #warlords?
We agree that healer performance is difficult to evaluate. Do you have any suggestions for what would help? (Celestalon)

The data! Malk: http://t.co/G4iPvoEKZG, Jugg: http://t.co/XLpkWwuQfv, Sha: http://t.co/rkYaZz8veE, Thok: http://t.co/MJFtXssXlR
Compare All Parses to Top 100. Shadow is deceptively hard to play optimally. Single target is low average, but high potential. (Source)
You must have some very hidden numbers, hunters were beating Spriest on many fights before 6%? buff ask most raiders 1/2
We balance around more than just single target DPS. (Source)
I think that's the summary of this conversation. Many Shadow priests value ST damage above all else. Considering changes for WoD. (Source)
That's just preposterous. Shadow playing perfection with miraculous RNG does not have the potencial of mage/lock
I agree. That's an Arcane/Warlock problem. (Source)
No it's not. It's a rogue/hunter/mage/warlock/shaman/druid problem. Shadow is simply not playable on e.g. H malkorok.
And we disagree. Your damage is lower than average, but not crippling so, and your utility is higher on that fight. (Source)
Not the case for any other spec. They all have good and bad fights, sure, but shadow has 2 good, 10 bad and 2 unplayable ones.
Total hyperbole. They have 3 great, 2 bad, 9 average, damage-wise. Most of those they have very high utility. (Source)

So the solution for Spriest single target is to remove dots from single target...but thats why I play Spriest, to use dots.
The talent you're referring to is not a "solution for Spriest single target". It's an optional different rotation. (Celestalon)

Hi, is there anything still happening with the ability bloat? A good thread on about this- http://t.co/VdfhFUHaKG
Yes. We haven't given specifics, but we're definitely going to be making big strides in combating ability bloat. (Celestalon)
Thanks. Big strides is what lots of specs need desperately. If you had to guess - before WoD or not?
Not. That sort of thing requires significant change, which we save for expansions. (Celestalon)

past comments have said that dps are balanced around that fact. Not sure about tanks.
Str and Agi are balanced once Agi/Int no longer give crit. (Celestalon)

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
could u please fix the deathgrip bug in tolvir and tigers peak finally which is in the game since the start of mop? please
Yes we're working on a fix but it won't be available until our next patch. It is not hotfixable. (Source)

Mage (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
did mages ice lance get -20% nerf? Can you clarify for us in the pvp community?
I've heard reports but we are not aware of any change to ice lance. (Source)

Art
Also, hear desire for Garrison update - not sure when that will happen but it's on my radar. (artofcgrobinson)

Quick question, are druids getting a new aquatic form model in WoD? YES or NO?
MAYBE (Dave_Maldo)

Then why were Undead allowed to be hunters? That makes no sense at all.
At least pick one w/o tons of in-game precedence! P.S. I once tried arguing for undead paladins because SIR ZELIEK. (Dave_Maldo)

must Cloud Serpents shrink character models? Not sure if bug or intended. Would prefer if it didn't. Thanks for reading
Intended. Last-minute solution to realizing they were even more absurdly huge than intended, w/no time to remake saddles. T_T (Dave_Maldo)

PvP
could we see faction specificity removed from random BG's as it has been for RBG? ie Horde vs Horde. Would this improve que times?
It would but one of the high level fantasies of WoW is red versus blue. We're exploring a lot of options now. (holinka)

said new PvP season would last aroun 20-25 weeks. I'd say, around that.
I definitely did NOT say the new PvP season would last around 20-25 weeks. I'd say that's the max length I'd want it. (holinka)
out of curiosity? What is min length of a pvp season that you want.
Ha ha. This is a fun game of release date we're playing. (holinka)
what season will it be in Australia when wod arrives?
Season 16 (holinka)

To add some more detail to the DR category conversations, you won't see things like Silence, Stun, Fear or Mez combined into one category. (Source)
Can you tell us what we might see? Am very excited for streamlining of DR categories
I know everyone wants to know what we're doing, but I was mostly concerned with putting some fears to rest. (Source)
Only hint: Despite his declaration we can't get it right isn't far off with what we're thinking. (Source)
Also we hate the single DR idea. That will not happen. (Source)

Necrotic strike and aura of enfeeble and arcane slow is nerfed without second thought
They weren't nerfed by accident. (Source)
sad about enfeeblement nerf. It's fundamentally different from passively applied effects. Should be treated differently.
If it the argument is it's bad gameplay, I don't think warlocks should be exempt from the change. (Source)

Warriors can use shield wall without equip shield. May we remove the physical punishment of Divine Shield and Hand of Protection?
I don't normally like to compare specs but I hope you can see what a profound difference there is between those spells. (holinka)

so dks lose runic power going blood pres. Warrs lose?
Rage generation (holinka)

Poll: What Class is Your Main Character?
Defining main however you want (best gear, most time spent playing that character lately, or something else), what class are you playing?


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  1. Dark Exerus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by moveth View Post
    Weird that there are less rogues, with them being so powerful right now.
    One person could have 20 rogues but their main could be a warlock. My main used to be a rogue but its not anymore.
  1. Azahel's Avatar
    80% of those paladins are blood elves, 85% of them are females.
  1. Vegas82's Avatar
    Poor mages...
  1. Warlord Booty's Avatar
    I was always seeing all types of druids in progression and the shadow priest discussion was funny, who was asking those questions? Our spriest was topping everything for almost every fight. Yeah, it's harder to master, seems most people just haven't.
  1. Otteray's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Felrane View Post
    rogues are very boring to play
    that's a funny way of saying that the class takes more skill than you have
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord Booty View Post
    I was always seeing all types of druids in progression and the shadow priest discussion was funny, who was asking those questions? Our spriest was topping everything for almost every fight. Yeah, it's harder to master, seems most people just haven't.
    It is why any pvp discussion about classes is also impossible. Everyone thinks they are above average, even when comparing themselves to other heroic raiders.... so nobody thinks half the people should be better than them. For most people, if half the raid is beating them in DPS, or they are only winning half their pvp matches.. then it is class balance issue. And God forbid anyone who is a slightly below average player has a twitter for forum account...because then the devs clearly have no idea what they are doing.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Otteray View Post
    that's a funny way of saying that the class takes more skill than you have
    Or -maybe- he is saying that Rogues aren't to his liking.
    Objectively rogues are boring when it comes to animations/general eye candy.

    IMHO rogue is way beyond boring.
    So boring that despite multiple attempts I have yet to get one to maximum level. :X
  1. Kourvith's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Or -maybe- he is saying that Rogues aren't to his liking.
    Objectively rogues are boring when it comes to animations/general eye candy.

    IMHO rogue is way beyond boring.
    So boring that despite multiple attempts I have yet to get one to maximum level. :X
    The problem with rogues is split in two :
    1) all veterans (edit : sorry, *a lot*, considering number of rerolls) who mained rogues in the past years became bored to death by the little to no changes policy Blizzard has maintained on the class mechanics xpac after xpac.
    2) all new players are seeing the rogue as a PvP sneaky bastard that can oneshot everyone with ambush under lvl 80. Then they realize during 80+ that the class is not all about stealth and ambush. That's where they fall into 1), seeing how repetitive the core unstealthed mechanics are.

    Blizzard needs to put their balls on the table, and assume that rogues have to require more complex mechanics to become interesting again. They're afraid to do that, because it's a double edged sword that could frighten newcomers. On the other hand, it would also bring old rogues back ...

    A good solution to both cases would be to maintain current base mechanics, but bring an additional layer of complexity through talents, procs, or whatever that would please veterans again.
  1. zrankfappa's Avatar
    if your having trouble viewing the priest bars, is your desktop set to 32bit color? I noticed they looked radically different when I was on my Linux box than they did on my Windows PC ...
  1. jishdefish's Avatar
    Yeah, glad to see the class revamp for Warlocks didn't help them at all. /sarcasm

    Rogues still on the bottom of the totem pole. Not surprising. Want to play the sinister melee class? Death Knight's over there, and they can tank. Want to play the ninja? Monk's over there and they can do anything but pew pew.
  1. Torched's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord Booty View Post
    I was always seeing all types of druids in progression and the shadow priest discussion was funny, who was asking those questions? Our spriest was topping everything for almost every fight. Yeah, it's harder to master, seems most people just haven't.

    Is your shadow priest far out gearing you guys? that is the only reason a shadow priest would ever be top in fights that are single target or where you have to move alot, Sp are good in multitarget fights like protectors or galakras.... and that´s about it.
  1. Largehorn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BetrayedOf52 View Post
    I'm a little surprised on the druids, are they doing that well? OR just really fun to play, I def thought warlock and mage would be top.
    Resto is fairly strong and Guardians are pretty popular right now. what surprised me in the lack of rogues in the early fights.
  1. quizzlemanizzle's Avatar
    Warriors, Rogue and DKs are low, surprise...

    Nobody likes melee, good luck finding random Flex Raids as a Melee unless you over-gear it dramatically you don't get tanken 90% of the time even if you killed all bosses already etc.
  1. Xithryl's Avatar
    I just came from my Hunter, which is my highest geared, to playing my Paladin, I'm really enjoying it, its funny though I felt there was and is nothing but Hunters, yet hear Paladin is the highest voted. I guess since Paladins can fill multiple rolls it doesn't seem like there are so many around me :P

    I'm trying to DPS, but I can't find a weapon for the life of me, still rolling with a 463 Axe I bought off the AH, Hopefully this week comes with a new shiny weapon!
  1. Exploitbat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Braindwen View Post
    Priest bars being white on a white background just does not look good. I thought it was just blank space until I moused over it and numbers appeared.

    Also, I like that druids are right in the middle of the poll atm, as well as having no meaningful change in representation as you move up the heroic ladder. Average class ftw!

    The background is beige, not white, and I can see the bars just as clearly as the other ones. Your screen settings are probably too bright :P
  1. Xithryl's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by quizzlemanizzle View Post
    Warriors, Rogue and DKs are low, surprise...

    Nobody likes melee, good luck finding random Flex Raids as a Melee unless you over-gear it dramatically you don't get tanken 90% of the time even if you killed all bosses already etc.
    So true Melee DPS has been like this for a while now, but at least it isn't as bad as it is in say GW2, where you basically have to roll ranged in a lot of fractals.
  1. scrapchick's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kourvith View Post
    The problem with rogues is split in two :
    1) all veterans who mained rogues in the past years became bored to death by the little to no changes policy Blizzard has maintained on the class mechanics xpac after xpac.
    .
    Not ALL rogue veterans feel this way. I have been playing a rogue now for 6 years and it is my main. I love it! Not bored with the rogue at all.
  1. Isoge's Avatar
    Been playing rogue since the beginning of WoW. Bored to death by it right now ever since the oversimplification of talents and no choice whatsoever except for a few really bland, boring ones. MoP was a deathblow to rogues for me so I cancelled my sub. But I won't switch classes. I'll just wait and see if blizz does something right with rogues for once in WoD. If not, I'll just cancel my sub again and wait some more.
  1. Amithyst's Avatar
    Dem droos.
  1. Sandrita's Avatar
    Watching that graphic (and the poll) it becomes clear that Mages need a buff!

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