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Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button
Patch 5.4.7 adds a new shop button to the character selection screen, making the Level 90 Boost as the first character service that you can purchase in-game. Taepsilum responded to concerns of players upset over the addition of another shop button.


Originally Posted by Taepsilum (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
I know that for those of you who are just not interested at all in the store, these changes might seem somewhat redundant or even a bit annoying. I get that, I really do.

But please understand that a lot of players do like to use the shop, and since this is a fairly new feature (the in-game version of the shop), we want to make sure that everyone is aware of its existence and that you don't actually have to tab out to a web browser to use it.

The buttons outside of the micro-menu exist mainly because the micro-menu is one of those parts of the interface that some addons and UI packs actually hide by default, and we want everyone to know about this new functionality.

I really don't think that this is being in any way obtrusive and/or preventing you from playing the game as you have been doing all along. Now, I do understand that some players might have some more philosophical reasons to dislike it, but I still think that some are just blowing this out of proportion. It's a small button that you can choose to use or to completely ignore, it's not a pop-up window that forces user-interaction with it.

Of course there is a fine line that we don't want to cross when it comes to the number and the positioning of any kind of button within the game, too few buttons or poorly positioned ones often leads to unused/unknown features, too many, and they can become redundant or annoying. I can see that some of you are of the opinion that anything over one button is already too much.

You can rest assured that we will forward all of your feedback to the proper channels, it's important to us that everyone knows about new functionalities but obviously we don't want to cause any discomfort to anyone while doing so.

Warlords of Draenor - PvP Toggle Changes
It looks like players that don't enjoy PvP might be getting an upgraded version of the PvP toggle in Warlords of Draenor!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This is very simple. PVP needs to be voluntary.
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but flagging as a PvE character is based on a player's action to flag themselves (even if it's on accident), so I'm not sure it's us making you PvP. The systems that can cause someone to flag can absolutely at times be involuntary, which is notably frustrating.

In any case we are continuing toward a goal of a PvP on/off toggle for players on PvE realms to be added in Warlords of Draenor, which would absolutely and in all situations allow someone to refrain from becoming flagged regardless of their actions. Heals toward flagged players would fail, coalescing to PvP realms wouldn't be possible, misclicks and AoE's would never damage a flagged opponent, etc. It's actually quite a bit of work because of all the systems involved, but it's still something we think PvE players should have, and how the game should work for them.

Patch 5.4.2 Hotfixes: January 29
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Creatures
  • Resolved an issue that could cause Ordos to be stuck in evade. For targets that Ordos cannot reach, he will now summon them to him.

Quests
  • Family Tree: Resolved an issue where Pandaren characters were unable to see their ancestors after lighting the Incense Bundle.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
doing dps less than a dps spec I assume. If you can tank and dps at 100% why being a regular dps?
Yeah, Tank-specs should do less DPS than DPS-specs, so you don't just bring more Tanks. (Celestalon)
But Vengeance makes sure that not all tanks do that much DPS right?
Not in 6.0; Vengeance no longer affects DPS. (Celestalon)
What is it changed to again? Threat?
It's just the defensive side of what it does today. Will also do Threat if needed, but that's not likely. (Celestalon)
I am lost as to what you mean by that, I guess I will have to wait and find out...
Vengeance currently provides a buff that has both offensive and defensive value. We'll leave the def value, remove off value. (Celestalon)
Does that mean tanks are going to end up less-fun? A lot of the fun of tanking recently has come from vengeance.
Who can say if any specific change makes the game more or less fun for any given person. But no, it shouldn't. (Celestalon)
You're most likely not having fun because of Vengeance->DPS; rather because you do good damage, and the def gameplay is fun. (Celestalon)
Is the idea for Tanks to just more or less do (arbitrary number) 75% of the damage of a DPS all the time?
Yes. (Celestalon)

Are you guys happy with the current DPS rankings? Casters completely dominating melees in pretty much every SoO encounter.
Our data, and community data, heavily disagrees with that. Melee are more of a liability, which we hope to solve. (Celestalon)

OK, fair. When you and your crazy brain crew crunch data, do you do APM analyses? What does it mean to you guys in that context?
We do (abilities per sec), though it's more of something to just 'keep in mind'; we don't really balance around it at all. (Celestalon)
APS seems like a strange standard. Wouldn't most specs hover around 1?
No, not at all. Most don't have a 1sec GCD; spamming something on every GCD is not something we want most to do (OK for some). (Celestalon)
So WoD dev vision is that GCD locking is OK for some specs? Can you explain why you changed your minds on this?
This isn't a change; we're OK with a few specs explicitly designed to be GCD locked. It's desired by some players. (Celestalon)
There have been a few cases where we've decided that specs required too high of an APM (just in terms of raw button presses). (Celestalon)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Do you have plans to address Hunter's secondary stats value? (like Warrior's haste)
Those are not even remotely in the same ballpark. But yes, we want to raise their values. (Celestalon)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
You said we cannot switch in/out seal of faith while in combat. So could we still switch other seals in combat like SoT to SoJ?
Yes. That's expected if you take the other talent which gives you seal-twisting gameplay. (Celestalon)
So does the healing bonus stackable and dispelable?
Talking about Faith again? Faith would stacks, and would not be able to be dispelled. (Celestalon)
That sounds good. SRY one LAST question: Is there a cap stacks of Faith? IF YES, what number will it be?
We'd likely need to have a cap, but not one that you're expected to hit in normal gameplay. (Celestalon)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Dedicated Holy Priests raiding heroic had a hard time the past years. Representation is down to 2-5%. Is this an issue to you?
It's a potential issue that is heavily clouded by the Disc issue. (Celestalon)
So you don't think it has anything to do with shortcomings with HPriest spec? Chakra reduces the usefullnes and lack of utility?
I think that if you re-read my tweet, you'll see that I didn't say that at all. (Celestalon)
Then what do you think HPriest shortcomings are?
We aren't ready to announce specific changes, but the shortcomings of Chakra have been heavily discussed. (Celestalon)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Did you ever consider Shuriken Toss to be some Rotation/playstyle changing talent like alot of hybrids have nowadays?
Do you mean like if you take that talent, then you use that as your optimal rotation, even on Patchwerk? (Celestalon)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
was idly wondering what the odds are shamans can get a passive that makes 2H weapons competitive against DW. I miss the option.
We have no plans to bring back 2H Enhancement, currently. Not 100% out of the question for the future, but not right now. (Celestalon)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
are you happy with results of Demo nerfs? Feel like it's struggling pve and pvp after imp damage and glyph nerf.uvls was enough
The community things the Demo nerfs were way more crippling than they were. There are still Demo locks doing very very high DPS. (Celestalon)
That's not to say that it hasn't ended up inferior to Affliction/Destruction in most situations; it has. But not underpowered. (Celestalon)

Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition
Blizzard showed off the contents of the Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition today.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button, WoD PvP Toggle, Jan 29 Hotfixes, Blue Tweets, RoS CE started by chaud View original post
Published on 2014-01-30 07:08 AM
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  1. Toffie's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xivilai View Post
    The people's problem is that Blizz is implementing pay to win features in a game that charges $15 a month to play already. The greedy douche bags are gouging those willing to buy from the shop, wasting time creating new shit for it. Making people wait without info on anything Warlords related, so people are getting agitated. Then they shove more shop features down people's throats. It wouldn't piss people off so much if they would just say they're going p2w. Albeit buying max level toons is not pay to win yet, they're getting awfully damn close now.
    WoW will only become pay 2 win when BIS gear & level 100's get sold in the shop, not a bunch of crappy pets & mounts.
  1. Foxhoundn's Avatar
    Shitty Collesctors Edition with digital content only. What the fuck happened to action figures? Cheap bastards...
  1. Asur's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Toffie View Post
    Whats with the whining about a stupid shop button? I don't get the WoW community at all.
    That IS the WoW community, complain about anything.
  1. mmoc126873de27's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Toffie View Post
    WoW will only become pay 2 win when BIS gear & level 100's get sold in the shop, not a bunch of crappy pets & mounts.
    I dont think anyone (reasonably considered) suggests that things are P2W now - there is just alot of upset because as each addition is suggested and added, it seems to be moving towards that.
  1. ashtia's Avatar
    Add Tyrael's Charger to the eu-us shop as you re going to do with Asia regions, and put as much shop buttons as you wish
  1. Noix's Avatar
    BUY NOW!!! Legendary GEAR!, Show your awesome Gold like gear fully equip and able to bust down your FOES at WILL. >.>
    JP

    On a real note. lvl 90 boots is kinda bad idea. not sure why bliz would do that, of course besides the cash behind it. but still it would be more of a bad thing then a good thing. shrugs. i guess to each there own. hopefully Month sub will go down if lots people buy the lvl 90 boots, also wonder what the restrictions on it is. Like, Do you have to have atlest 1 90 to buy a 90 or do you have to own WoD to buy a 90 (only things i can think of atm).


    Just wanted to add, i see buying gear in the near future.
  1. Xivilai's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MissMin View Post
    I dont think anyone (reasonably considered) suggests that things are P2W now - there is just alot of upset because as each addition is suggested and added, it seems to be moving towards that.
    Exactly, I don't think it's P2W right now, but they're getting further along that track. Also, they are spending more and more resources on the shop feature, as it's garnering money for them, touting how people want it so bad, when no, it's just them being greedy. They spend time on this, and not actual game content. Just shinies for people and money for them.

    Who knows if down the line if Blizz will think it's profitable to sell other high end things.
  1. mmoc3d6f07e4c7's Avatar
    I love WOW played it since Lich KIng but just recently the coomunity are getting on my freaking nerves, I you mean you lot moan about EVERYTHING, blizz are trying to make the game as good as it can be, and you maon about one little button omg GROW UP, and for the final time its not P2W the max level will be 100, the boost is 90 ok if your over 60 you get boost on prfessions too, but its still not P2W as you still have to learn receipes farm herbs ores etc learn recipies these winners just make me sick to the stomach are you actually grown ups or little kids who completly maon about anything, you all need a reality check
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpioz View Post
    I love WOW played it since Lich KIng but just recently the coomunity are getting on my freaking nerves, I you mean you lot moan about EVERYTHING, blizz are trying to make the game as good as it can be, and you maon about one little button omg GROW UP, and for the final time its not P2W the max level will be 100, the boost is 90 ok if your over 60 you get boost on prfessions too, but its still not P2W as you still have to learn receipes farm herbs ores etc learn recipies these winners just make me sick to the stomach are you actually grown ups or little kids who completly maon about anything, you all need a reality check
    I'm a paying customer, don't tell me what I can or can't be upset about. I have the right to complain about whatever the fuck I want. Only here would people be praised for not liking something but staying silent and bending over and taking it. In the rest of the world it's a sign of strength when you stick up for something you don't like. If the cable company is screwing you I don't see legions of cable company fanboys whining about how you should just shut up and that the cable company is just trying to make tv better bla bla bla. You need a reality check. When the cook at your restaurant screws up your steak you're welcome to shut the hell up and take it and not complain. Some of us have a spine and voice our opinions and tell the cook to make a new steak. We're allowed to do that no? I mean this is a discussion forum is it not?
  1. leviathonlx's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I'm a paying customer, don't tell me what I can or can't be upset about. I have the right to complain about whatever the fuck I want. Only here would people be praised for not liking something but staying silent and bending over and taking it. In the rest of the world it's a sign of strength when you stick up for something you don't like. If the cable company is screwing you I don't see legions of cable company fanboys whining about how you should just shut up and that the cable company is just trying to make tv better bla bla bla. You need a reality check. When the cook at your restaurant screws up your steak you're welcome to shut the hell up and take it and not complain. Some of us have a spine and voice our opinions and tell the cook to make a new steak. We're allowed to do that no? I mean this is a discussion forum is it not?
    You sound like you'd be a wonderful customer at a store/restaurant.
  1. Noix's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I'm a paying customer, don't tell me what I can or can't be upset about. I have the right to complain about whatever the fuck I want. Only here would people be praised for not liking something but staying silent and bending over and taking it. In the rest of the world it's a sign of strength when you stick up for something you don't like. If the cable company is screwing you I don't see legions of cable company fanboys whining about how you should just shut up and that the cable company is just trying to make tv better bla bla bla. You need a reality check. When the cook at your restaurant screws up your steak you're welcome to shut the hell up and take it and not complain. Some of us have a spine and voice our opinions and tell the cook to make a new steak. We're allowed to do that no? I mean this is a discussion forum is it not?
    COuldnt say it better myself. Well done!
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    I already have the shop button grayed out by disabling it via Parental Controls, but it's still there. Not happy about Blizzard trying to shove their cash shop in our faces, especially in an attempt to bypass addons blocking the buttons. Sad to say it, but I think the people who opposed the Celestial Steed mount back in the day were right about what the Blizz shop would become.

    On a more happy note, I'm glad to hear new info about the "true" PvP toggle. Getting inexplicably flagged by the system or going /darthvaderno as I heal another flagged player is a hassle.
  1. Val's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I'm a paying customer
    As opposed to what? A non paying customer? Lmao.

    What a joke.
  1. Sainur's Avatar
    This has to be one of the most uselesss, worthless and utterly disgusting Blue posts I have ever read. I cannot even begin to describe how bad this is.

    Ah... how low this company has fallen.
  1. Moradim's Avatar
    yo dawg, we put a shop icon even before you log into the game, so you can shop before you shop.
  1. Tuhandyn's Avatar
    Oh man, such intrusion, a button you never have to look at, much less press, in your UI and now on your login screen that most of us won't ever do anything with because of the b.net client. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp.

    I can't politely state how stupid most of this criticism is. As for the level 90 boost, try using your brain for a second. You want to sell someone on the game, you already have to sell them the battle chest + two expansions (as of WoD, prior to them expanding the Chest). You have to sell them on a subscription, and then you're going to have to sell them on a significant time investment in order to level a character to 90.

    Now, imagine how much easier your sale would be if you could say, "If you don't mind spending a little extra money, you can level a character to within ten levels of the cap immediately and get right into the new content, and visit the old content later if you wish." Get it now? We aren't talking about buying level capped, geared character, we're talking about jumping straight to the new stuff. Get over it.
  1. Moradim's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Toffie View Post
    Whats with the whining about a stupid shop button? I don't get the WoW community at all.
    it's not about a button.

    it's that there are SEVERAL of them, and what made room for one of them? the help button. replaced by a store.

    yes, customer service takes a back seat to a store.
  1. Monstafish2k's Avatar
    No mount with the ce?!?!?! Srsly?!
  1. Tuhandyn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Moradim View Post
    it's not about a button.

    it's that there are SEVERAL of them, and what made room for one of them? the help button. replaced by a store.

    yes, customer service takes a back seat to a store.
    You mean the help button that's still in the same spot it's been in the game menu for 9 years? That help button?
  1. druvirus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sainur View Post
    This has to be one of the most uselesss, worthless and utterly disgusting Blue posts I have ever read. I cannot even begin to describe how bad this is.

    Ah... how low this company has fallen.
    If you think this blue post is bad then you must not have played in Vanilla.
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