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Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button
Patch 5.4.7 adds a new shop button to the character selection screen, making the Level 90 Boost as the first character service that you can purchase in-game. Taepsilum responded to concerns of players upset over the addition of another shop button.


Originally Posted by Taepsilum (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
I know that for those of you who are just not interested at all in the store, these changes might seem somewhat redundant or even a bit annoying. I get that, I really do.

But please understand that a lot of players do like to use the shop, and since this is a fairly new feature (the in-game version of the shop), we want to make sure that everyone is aware of its existence and that you don't actually have to tab out to a web browser to use it.

The buttons outside of the micro-menu exist mainly because the micro-menu is one of those parts of the interface that some addons and UI packs actually hide by default, and we want everyone to know about this new functionality.

I really don't think that this is being in any way obtrusive and/or preventing you from playing the game as you have been doing all along. Now, I do understand that some players might have some more philosophical reasons to dislike it, but I still think that some are just blowing this out of proportion. It's a small button that you can choose to use or to completely ignore, it's not a pop-up window that forces user-interaction with it.

Of course there is a fine line that we don't want to cross when it comes to the number and the positioning of any kind of button within the game, too few buttons or poorly positioned ones often leads to unused/unknown features, too many, and they can become redundant or annoying. I can see that some of you are of the opinion that anything over one button is already too much.

You can rest assured that we will forward all of your feedback to the proper channels, it's important to us that everyone knows about new functionalities but obviously we don't want to cause any discomfort to anyone while doing so.

Warlords of Draenor - PvP Toggle Changes
It looks like players that don't enjoy PvP might be getting an upgraded version of the PvP toggle in Warlords of Draenor!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This is very simple. PVP needs to be voluntary.
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but flagging as a PvE character is based on a player's action to flag themselves (even if it's on accident), so I'm not sure it's us making you PvP. The systems that can cause someone to flag can absolutely at times be involuntary, which is notably frustrating.

In any case we are continuing toward a goal of a PvP on/off toggle for players on PvE realms to be added in Warlords of Draenor, which would absolutely and in all situations allow someone to refrain from becoming flagged regardless of their actions. Heals toward flagged players would fail, coalescing to PvP realms wouldn't be possible, misclicks and AoE's would never damage a flagged opponent, etc. It's actually quite a bit of work because of all the systems involved, but it's still something we think PvE players should have, and how the game should work for them.

Patch 5.4.2 Hotfixes: January 29
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Creatures
  • Resolved an issue that could cause Ordos to be stuck in evade. For targets that Ordos cannot reach, he will now summon them to him.

Quests
  • Family Tree: Resolved an issue where Pandaren characters were unable to see their ancestors after lighting the Incense Bundle.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
doing dps less than a dps spec I assume. If you can tank and dps at 100% why being a regular dps?
Yeah, Tank-specs should do less DPS than DPS-specs, so you don't just bring more Tanks. (Celestalon)
But Vengeance makes sure that not all tanks do that much DPS right?
Not in 6.0; Vengeance no longer affects DPS. (Celestalon)
What is it changed to again? Threat?
It's just the defensive side of what it does today. Will also do Threat if needed, but that's not likely. (Celestalon)
I am lost as to what you mean by that, I guess I will have to wait and find out...
Vengeance currently provides a buff that has both offensive and defensive value. We'll leave the def value, remove off value. (Celestalon)
Does that mean tanks are going to end up less-fun? A lot of the fun of tanking recently has come from vengeance.
Who can say if any specific change makes the game more or less fun for any given person. But no, it shouldn't. (Celestalon)
You're most likely not having fun because of Vengeance->DPS; rather because you do good damage, and the def gameplay is fun. (Celestalon)
Is the idea for Tanks to just more or less do (arbitrary number) 75% of the damage of a DPS all the time?
Yes. (Celestalon)

Are you guys happy with the current DPS rankings? Casters completely dominating melees in pretty much every SoO encounter.
Our data, and community data, heavily disagrees with that. Melee are more of a liability, which we hope to solve. (Celestalon)

OK, fair. When you and your crazy brain crew crunch data, do you do APM analyses? What does it mean to you guys in that context?
We do (abilities per sec), though it's more of something to just 'keep in mind'; we don't really balance around it at all. (Celestalon)
APS seems like a strange standard. Wouldn't most specs hover around 1?
No, not at all. Most don't have a 1sec GCD; spamming something on every GCD is not something we want most to do (OK for some). (Celestalon)
So WoD dev vision is that GCD locking is OK for some specs? Can you explain why you changed your minds on this?
This isn't a change; we're OK with a few specs explicitly designed to be GCD locked. It's desired by some players. (Celestalon)
There have been a few cases where we've decided that specs required too high of an APM (just in terms of raw button presses). (Celestalon)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Do you have plans to address Hunter's secondary stats value? (like Warrior's haste)
Those are not even remotely in the same ballpark. But yes, we want to raise their values. (Celestalon)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
You said we cannot switch in/out seal of faith while in combat. So could we still switch other seals in combat like SoT to SoJ?
Yes. That's expected if you take the other talent which gives you seal-twisting gameplay. (Celestalon)
So does the healing bonus stackable and dispelable?
Talking about Faith again? Faith would stacks, and would not be able to be dispelled. (Celestalon)
That sounds good. SRY one LAST question: Is there a cap stacks of Faith? IF YES, what number will it be?
We'd likely need to have a cap, but not one that you're expected to hit in normal gameplay. (Celestalon)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Dedicated Holy Priests raiding heroic had a hard time the past years. Representation is down to 2-5%. Is this an issue to you?
It's a potential issue that is heavily clouded by the Disc issue. (Celestalon)
So you don't think it has anything to do with shortcomings with HPriest spec? Chakra reduces the usefullnes and lack of utility?
I think that if you re-read my tweet, you'll see that I didn't say that at all. (Celestalon)
Then what do you think HPriest shortcomings are?
We aren't ready to announce specific changes, but the shortcomings of Chakra have been heavily discussed. (Celestalon)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Did you ever consider Shuriken Toss to be some Rotation/playstyle changing talent like alot of hybrids have nowadays?
Do you mean like if you take that talent, then you use that as your optimal rotation, even on Patchwerk? (Celestalon)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
was idly wondering what the odds are shamans can get a passive that makes 2H weapons competitive against DW. I miss the option.
We have no plans to bring back 2H Enhancement, currently. Not 100% out of the question for the future, but not right now. (Celestalon)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
are you happy with results of Demo nerfs? Feel like it's struggling pve and pvp after imp damage and glyph nerf.uvls was enough
The community things the Demo nerfs were way more crippling than they were. There are still Demo locks doing very very high DPS. (Celestalon)
That's not to say that it hasn't ended up inferior to Affliction/Destruction in most situations; it has. But not underpowered. (Celestalon)

Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition
Blizzard showed off the contents of the Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition today.

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  1. Moradim's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuhandyn View Post
    You mean the help button that's still in the same spot it's been in the game menu for 9 years? That help button?
    why should a store icon take priority on the default UI over a feature such as help/submitting tickets?

    why isnt there a crossrealm raid button?

    is a store essential to gameplay in any way?
  1. Vynestra's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    9 months of no content except for shop buttons and shop mounts.
    It's actually quite smart on blizzards behalf that if a long time between now and WoD is inevitable add preorders now and lvl 90s now to make people want the mount and play alts. It's smart for the alt part. The reason I don't play alts is because lvling is boring for me after my first char. But if I could insta 90 an alt from preorder id play it and gear it. More than 1 maybe. So it's smart to make up for incoming sub losses. Bring them back and make money off
    Of it. I know I've seen quite a chunk of people that'll play just because of the 90 boost. We may see a sub boost depending how they handle it during a time where wed get sub drops.
  1. Xucuroz's Avatar
    I normally don't complain about their store antics, but am i right in saying that brings us up to 3 ingame shop buttons now? I personally don't buy Taepsilum's reasons. I'd imagine the vast majority of players don't use stuff like Bartender or any custom action bars/menu buttons that would hide the shop logo. It's also there at the top of your menu when you go to logout/exit, something no one playing could possibly miss.

    It's kind of funny when you think about it. The only other games you'd expect a shop to be labelled everywhere is a free to play game, which last time i checked WoW isn't. Now i've never been against them adding a shop but they are really pushing it hard with the amount of buttons everywhere now for it.
  1. druvirus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alayea View Post
    I already have the shop button grayed out by disabling it via Parental Controls, but it's still there. Not happy about Blizzard trying to shove their cash shop in our faces, especially in an attempt to bypass addons blocking the buttons. Sad to say it, but I think the people who opposed the Celestial Steed mount back in the day were right about what the Blizz shop would become.

    On a more happy note, I'm glad to hear new info about the "true" PvP toggle. Getting inexplicably flagged by the system or going /darthvaderno as I heal another flagged player is a hassle.
    And what has it become? A place where you can buy a few novelty pets/mounts/helms that in no way affect gameplay? Ohhh noooo. Such a slippery slooope! Before you know it the entire game will be buying legendaries! Because, you know, .. we've been slipping down this slope so much! I mean, you started out with the TCG being able to buy mounts and clickie items .. and we slipped down that slope so far we now can buy MOUNTS ... and PETS! What's next, you greedy bastards?! Will we be able to buy special HAIR CUTS?! TOO FAR IS TOO FAR! /shakesfistsangrilyattheheavens
  1. Monstafish2k's Avatar
    Oh man... just woke up and couldnt see it right, well its the RoS CE never mind xD
  1. Bawl's Avatar
    That response about the shop buttons... it's been quite a while since I've seen someone use so many words to say so little.
  1. Moradim's Avatar
    cant wait to enter the new raids...a npc will run up to you and ask

    "hey, before you go inside, would you like to use the shop?"

    "uh, no thank you"

    at what point will they take a hint that this is getting a bit much?
  1. Nahmee's Avatar
    They add one button to the login screen. The login sceen, where you spend 15 seconds before getting in game. And you'd think the sky was falling.

    People. Seriously. Chill... It's a button. Nobody is forcing you to use ANYTHING.
  1. Mithridates's Avatar
    Might as well replace the 'login' button to 'shop'
  1. Hero-link's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by familiar View Post
    Endgame in Cata? Are we playing the same game?
    Didn't cata had a raid, and several instances? what did MOP end game patch add?

    one raid?
  1. Durandro's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xivilai View Post
    The people's problem is that Blizz is implementing pay to win features
    No. Stop right there. You're wrong already.

    People just love to qq. And now people are saying a year of Dragon Soul is better then the current endgame? What the hell are you all smoking? Seriously, do yourselves a favour and shut up fo a bit and actually think before motormouthing. Or go for a walk instead.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Hero-link View Post
    Didn't cata had a raid, and several instances? what did MOP end game patch add?

    one raid?
    One really good raid, a battleground (I think) and Timeless Isle. Not to mention Flex difficulty with cross-realm grouping!

    Are you really going to say Dragon Soul was better then SoO? Really?
  1. Heldamon's Avatar
    What's the point of adding shop buttons and shop items if we can't get into the game because the login servers are crap?
  1. Mulch's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Heldamon View Post
    What's the point of adding shop buttons and shop items if we can't get into the game because the login servers are crap?
    First fair point in this whole crazy "omgwtf-shop-button-discussion" ^^
  1. Every Pwny's Avatar
    Hopefully they put a shop button in the middle of the screen, we also need tons of in-game ads.
  1. Quakefan's Avatar
    Does that Behind the scenes DVD is only about Diablo 3 or is there about WoW too???
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xucuroz View Post
    I normally don't complain about their store antics, but am i right in saying that brings us up to 3 ingame shop buttons now? I personally don't buy Taepsilum's reasons. I'd imagine the vast majority of players don't use stuff like Bartender or any custom action bars/menu buttons that would hide the shop logo.
    They needed the one on the login screen, if they want to sell 90s. Else you'd have to create a lv1 character and then in game up it to lv 90. Awkward.
    Now you can buy and create a 90 right away.

    The one in the micro menu can be hidden via addon. I have a little addon that eliminates it and brings the help icon back.
    The one in the ESC menu is the truly useless one, that one is there so people that do have addons get reminded there's a shop.

    Now we can argue about the ridiculous golden border (I bet it'll blink or flash when they're done with it).
    Or we can argue about the moronic fact that the buttons are still there (greyed out) when I disable the shop in my parental controls.
    These 2 actually bother me.

    Oh and did you know they already have the tech to make ingame popups possible? I wonder how long it'll take for us to need a ShopBlockPlus addon... >.<

    Quote Originally Posted by Quakefan View Post
    Does that Behind the scenes DVD is only about Diablo 3 or is there about WoW too???
    Why would there be stuff about WoW in the DIABLO III collectors edition?!
  1. cybernoid's Avatar
    Hey who knows what's next in SHOP (bad pun intended)
  1. Vongimi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I'm a paying customer, don't tell me what I can or can't be upset about. I have the right to complain about whatever the fuck I want. Only here would people be praised for not liking something but staying silent and bending over and taking it. In the rest of the world it's a sign of strength when you stick up for something you don't like. If the cable company is screwing you I don't see legions of cable company fanboys whining about how you should just shut up and that the cable company is just trying to make tv better bla bla bla. You need a reality check. When the cook at your restaurant screws up your steak you're welcome to shut the hell up and take it and not complain. Some of us have a spine and voice our opinions and tell the cook to make a new steak. We're allowed to do that no? I mean this is a discussion forum is it not?
    You are perfectly allowed to complain about whatever you want, but don't get mad at other people that see you as a spoiled brat for complaining about a BUTTON.... That's only on the LOGIN SCREEN!!!! That is not even comparable to anyone "screwing you", or getting your steak messed up at a restaurant. That is so incredibly minor I don't even understand how anyone could be THAT enraged over it. Yes, I will admit it is the TINIEST of nuisances... nothing to get worked up over.
  1. Eberon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Foxhoundn View Post
    Shitty Collesctors Edition with digital content only. What the fuck happened to action figures?
    What action figures? That's the standard content of a Blizzard CE. The only exceptions were the SC2 CE, which had Starcraft on a fancy USB stick, and the D3 CE, which had D2 on an even fancier USB stick.
  1. ZeroWashu's Avatar
    it is about damn time with regards to that proposed PVP toggle. No one on a PVE world should be placed into PVP without a manual toggle or click box. There used to be older quests that would force you PvP and you had no warning. Other tricks and such can get someone into PvP when they had no desire. They certainly would never be making such a change unless the griefing problem were large. Regardless of what they said about "making" they knew clearly that it was the case.

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