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Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button
Patch 5.4.7 adds a new shop button to the character selection screen, making the Level 90 Boost as the first character service that you can purchase in-game. Taepsilum responded to concerns of players upset over the addition of another shop button.


Originally Posted by Taepsilum (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
I know that for those of you who are just not interested at all in the store, these changes might seem somewhat redundant or even a bit annoying. I get that, I really do.

But please understand that a lot of players do like to use the shop, and since this is a fairly new feature (the in-game version of the shop), we want to make sure that everyone is aware of its existence and that you don't actually have to tab out to a web browser to use it.

The buttons outside of the micro-menu exist mainly because the micro-menu is one of those parts of the interface that some addons and UI packs actually hide by default, and we want everyone to know about this new functionality.

I really don't think that this is being in any way obtrusive and/or preventing you from playing the game as you have been doing all along. Now, I do understand that some players might have some more philosophical reasons to dislike it, but I still think that some are just blowing this out of proportion. It's a small button that you can choose to use or to completely ignore, it's not a pop-up window that forces user-interaction with it.

Of course there is a fine line that we don't want to cross when it comes to the number and the positioning of any kind of button within the game, too few buttons or poorly positioned ones often leads to unused/unknown features, too many, and they can become redundant or annoying. I can see that some of you are of the opinion that anything over one button is already too much.

You can rest assured that we will forward all of your feedback to the proper channels, it's important to us that everyone knows about new functionalities but obviously we don't want to cause any discomfort to anyone while doing so.

Warlords of Draenor - PvP Toggle Changes
It looks like players that don't enjoy PvP might be getting an upgraded version of the PvP toggle in Warlords of Draenor!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This is very simple. PVP needs to be voluntary.
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but flagging as a PvE character is based on a player's action to flag themselves (even if it's on accident), so I'm not sure it's us making you PvP. The systems that can cause someone to flag can absolutely at times be involuntary, which is notably frustrating.

In any case we are continuing toward a goal of a PvP on/off toggle for players on PvE realms to be added in Warlords of Draenor, which would absolutely and in all situations allow someone to refrain from becoming flagged regardless of their actions. Heals toward flagged players would fail, coalescing to PvP realms wouldn't be possible, misclicks and AoE's would never damage a flagged opponent, etc. It's actually quite a bit of work because of all the systems involved, but it's still something we think PvE players should have, and how the game should work for them.

Patch 5.4.2 Hotfixes: January 29
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Creatures
  • Resolved an issue that could cause Ordos to be stuck in evade. For targets that Ordos cannot reach, he will now summon them to him.

Quests
  • Family Tree: Resolved an issue where Pandaren characters were unable to see their ancestors after lighting the Incense Bundle.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
doing dps less than a dps spec I assume. If you can tank and dps at 100% why being a regular dps?
Yeah, Tank-specs should do less DPS than DPS-specs, so you don't just bring more Tanks. (Celestalon)
But Vengeance makes sure that not all tanks do that much DPS right?
Not in 6.0; Vengeance no longer affects DPS. (Celestalon)
What is it changed to again? Threat?
It's just the defensive side of what it does today. Will also do Threat if needed, but that's not likely. (Celestalon)
I am lost as to what you mean by that, I guess I will have to wait and find out...
Vengeance currently provides a buff that has both offensive and defensive value. We'll leave the def value, remove off value. (Celestalon)
Does that mean tanks are going to end up less-fun? A lot of the fun of tanking recently has come from vengeance.
Who can say if any specific change makes the game more or less fun for any given person. But no, it shouldn't. (Celestalon)
You're most likely not having fun because of Vengeance->DPS; rather because you do good damage, and the def gameplay is fun. (Celestalon)
Is the idea for Tanks to just more or less do (arbitrary number) 75% of the damage of a DPS all the time?
Yes. (Celestalon)

Are you guys happy with the current DPS rankings? Casters completely dominating melees in pretty much every SoO encounter.
Our data, and community data, heavily disagrees with that. Melee are more of a liability, which we hope to solve. (Celestalon)

OK, fair. When you and your crazy brain crew crunch data, do you do APM analyses? What does it mean to you guys in that context?
We do (abilities per sec), though it's more of something to just 'keep in mind'; we don't really balance around it at all. (Celestalon)
APS seems like a strange standard. Wouldn't most specs hover around 1?
No, not at all. Most don't have a 1sec GCD; spamming something on every GCD is not something we want most to do (OK for some). (Celestalon)
So WoD dev vision is that GCD locking is OK for some specs? Can you explain why you changed your minds on this?
This isn't a change; we're OK with a few specs explicitly designed to be GCD locked. It's desired by some players. (Celestalon)
There have been a few cases where we've decided that specs required too high of an APM (just in terms of raw button presses). (Celestalon)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Do you have plans to address Hunter's secondary stats value? (like Warrior's haste)
Those are not even remotely in the same ballpark. But yes, we want to raise their values. (Celestalon)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
You said we cannot switch in/out seal of faith while in combat. So could we still switch other seals in combat like SoT to SoJ?
Yes. That's expected if you take the other talent which gives you seal-twisting gameplay. (Celestalon)
So does the healing bonus stackable and dispelable?
Talking about Faith again? Faith would stacks, and would not be able to be dispelled. (Celestalon)
That sounds good. SRY one LAST question: Is there a cap stacks of Faith? IF YES, what number will it be?
We'd likely need to have a cap, but not one that you're expected to hit in normal gameplay. (Celestalon)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Dedicated Holy Priests raiding heroic had a hard time the past years. Representation is down to 2-5%. Is this an issue to you?
It's a potential issue that is heavily clouded by the Disc issue. (Celestalon)
So you don't think it has anything to do with shortcomings with HPriest spec? Chakra reduces the usefullnes and lack of utility?
I think that if you re-read my tweet, you'll see that I didn't say that at all. (Celestalon)
Then what do you think HPriest shortcomings are?
We aren't ready to announce specific changes, but the shortcomings of Chakra have been heavily discussed. (Celestalon)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Did you ever consider Shuriken Toss to be some Rotation/playstyle changing talent like alot of hybrids have nowadays?
Do you mean like if you take that talent, then you use that as your optimal rotation, even on Patchwerk? (Celestalon)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
was idly wondering what the odds are shamans can get a passive that makes 2H weapons competitive against DW. I miss the option.
We have no plans to bring back 2H Enhancement, currently. Not 100% out of the question for the future, but not right now. (Celestalon)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
are you happy with results of Demo nerfs? Feel like it's struggling pve and pvp after imp damage and glyph nerf.uvls was enough
The community things the Demo nerfs were way more crippling than they were. There are still Demo locks doing very very high DPS. (Celestalon)
That's not to say that it hasn't ended up inferior to Affliction/Destruction in most situations; it has. But not underpowered. (Celestalon)

Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition
Blizzard showed off the contents of the Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition today.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button, WoD PvP Toggle, Jan 29 Hotfixes, Blue Tweets, RoS CE started by chaud View original post
Comments 184 Comments
  1. Tyraena's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xivilai View Post
    The people's problem is that Blizz is implementing pay to win features in a game that charges $15 a month to play already. The greedy douche bags are gouging those willing to buy from the shop, wasting time creating new shit for it. Making people wait without info on anything Warlords related, so people are getting agitated. Then they shove more shop features down people's throats. It wouldn't piss people off so much if they would just say they're going p2w. Albeit buying max level toons is not pay to win yet, they're getting awfully damn close now.
    1) You don't know what p2w means. Stop using it until you do. There is not 1 single thing that can or possibly will qualify as such.
    2) Cata had better endgame than Wrath, and neither had as much as MoP.
  1. Wayne25uk's Avatar
    Oh mr Chaud i have a question for thee!

    What is that "ON FIRE" button for on the screenshots im curious.

    Thanks!
  1. Aceo's Avatar
    WoW is such a fake game now but blizz are clever, gotta give them that!

    They know the only people left playing WoW are the overly addicted fan boys of the game, you know the ones that need to have every single mount, pet and achievement in the game so that their life feels somewhat complete, blizz see this and so their trying to milk every last penny out of the game.

    Game won't ever be what it once was, free level 90 boosting as a main game feature for an expansion sums it all up.
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    This is exactly what was going to happen when they opened up the floodgates of ingame shop. Im sorry but this is just how it is and ppl will have to accept that WOW is no longer about the game or the gameplay. Its money grab tool to make Blizzard money. We will see alot worse in the coming months and years. They will push the line further with every patch until ppl find it acceptable to buy pretty much everything instead of actually playing the game.

    So ppl have a chance NOW to decide if they want to take part in that. This is the perfect time to say no, unsub and not look back for next 6-8 months. Blizzard will have to release sub numbers for 2 more quarters before next expansion and they might have to think twice if ppl actually reacted to this now.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aceo View Post
    WoW is such a fake game now but blizz are clever, gotta give them that!

    They know the only people left playing WoW are the overly addicted fan boys of the game, you know the ones that have to have every single mount, pet and achievement in the game so that their life feels somewhat complete, blizz see this and so their trying to milk every last penny out of the game.

    Game won't ever be what it once was, free level 90 boosting as a main game feature for an expansion somes it all up.
    Yeah right, they totally have a guy withe a club standing behind me.
    He beats me up every time I don't met the monthly shop buying quota.

    I have no problem with the ingame shop itself. Apart from the fact that it is utterly useless to me, since I do not own a credit card, nor do I want one (German).

    They will push the line further with every patch until ppl find it acceptable to buy pretty much everything instead of actually playing the game.
    If Joe rich guy wants to spend money instead of time, thats his prerogative.
    Doesn't change a damn thing about my gameplay or my ability to enjoy the actual game content.

    I raid because it's fun to do so (most of the times^^) with my group. I don't raid for status and I don't raid for the epics.
  1. Arvandor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyraena View Post
    1) You don't know what p2w means. Stop using it until you do. There is not 1 single thing that can or possibly will qualify as such.
    2) Cata had better endgame than Wrath, and neither had as much as MoP.
    every buyable level in an rpg is a pay to win situation..

    cata endgame better than icc/lk? troll..
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Arvandor View Post
    every buyable level in an rpg is a pay to win situation..
    No it is not.
    It has 0 impact on gameplay if leveling is as trivial and meaningless as it is now.

    Selling gear would be pay to win in PvP.

    I'm not entirely sure if pay to win even exists in the realm of PvE.
    It would only be a "pay to win faster" because you win anyway.
  1. cuafpr's Avatar
    1) omg a button... /eyeroll its there so you can buy the lvl 90 b4 logging in. makes perfect sense
    2) For those that haven't realized it the lvl 90 is also a virtual reboot of wow for new players so they dont pick up a game and go crap i gotta go through 100 lvls before i can play raids and dungeons screw that. The being able buy it part is prob so they can make it easier/cheaper than what would happen if they didn't which is people would buy the battle chest + mop + wod, get the 90 + pay to account transfer it. Yes, people would do that, a lot of people ALREADY do it via recruit a friend. Its needed for new/returning players and does nothing to effect current ones but gives us more people to play with.
    3) I doubt current tier gear will ever be sold in the NA makert if anywhere....anytime in the next decade.
  1. Trinora's Avatar
    The button in the micro menu is bothering me more. It's actually taking up space that could be used better. And all just because they want everyone to know you can buy their freaking pets and mounts.
  1. sheppo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Norke View Post
    The end of Wrath and Cata didn't add a cash shop.
    they also didn't add any content at all.
    We're at least getting SOMETHING, and a PvP season.

    Ultimately if the time between the last content patch and the next expansion is shorter than Cata (long) and Wrather (Much longer) I say Blizz are doing something right. But of course, people like to complain about everything.
  1. Moradim's Avatar
    slippery

    slope
  1. Isolyphic's Avatar
    Still not addressing the fact that nobody can test the PTR Shop.
  1. UnifiedDivide's Avatar
    Wow, who knew a fairly small button in the corner of the login screen, that you'll see for a few seconds, would offend people so easily and somehow be Blizzard shoving it in everyone's faces! Oh, hold on, this is MMO-C where the smallest thing can offend someone immensely.

    I do like how people suddenly make the jump to legendary weapons being in the store... you guys need new hobbies. Stop stalking a game you no longer enjoy.

    Oh well, won't be too much longer before you all forget about it and move on to the next QQ topic. Let's face it, you're a very fickle bunch.
  1. Zirke's Avatar
    The developers designing and making in-game mounts and pets are probably not the same devs working on WoD. Also, the less content we have in MoP, the faster WoD will be released. Hopefully...
  1. sourmonkey's Avatar
    Hmm i remember blizzard saying they will not be working on patches cause that will take away from the expansion ....
    Now they release a PTR patch with added micro transactions , and now this patch that adds another shop button

    Do we really need to see shop in every information pane?

    Just let the people who want to buy mounts and pets to click the one button that's been there lol
  1. Brewhan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by sheppo View Post
    We're at least getting SOMETHING, and a PvP season.
    Dude its just a color swap of the gear they are lazy as balls to not have a different set of gear as back up to go with this "back pocket" season. So dumb. This is like the worst effort ever put into a pvp season and i would guess will also be lower % of active players this season
  1. Grasswhistle's Avatar
    I don't really care much about the shop button, honestly... what irks me is that they continually say that they won't repeat the same mistake at the end of every expansion, and yet here we are, raiding SoO forever with no new content or anything... >.>
  1. warlocx's Avatar
    TBH, i don't mind the shop, or the content available in it. As long as i get to play the game i like, the way i like.
  1. Keile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    No it is not.
    It has 0 impact on gameplay if leveling is as trivial and meaningless as it is now.
    Blizzard themselves outright said they want leveling to be quick and easy in WoD and that they are going to further increase leveling speed (likely by cutting the required XP to level down again).

    Their actual words were: "Leveling should be a quick romp through the zones." Basically meaning 1-90 should be about as quick to manually level as it would be for your new paid 90 to process ;P
  1. Lagiacrus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I'm a paying customer, don't tell me what I can or can't be upset about. I have the right to complain about whatever the fuck I want. Only here would people be praised for not liking something but staying silent and bending over and taking it. In the rest of the world it's a sign of strength when you stick up for something you don't like. If the cable company is screwing you I don't see legions of cable company fanboys whining about how you should just shut up and that the cable company is just trying to make tv better bla bla bla. You need a reality check. When the cook at your restaurant screws up your steak you're welcome to shut the hell up and take it and not complain. Some of us have a spine and voice our opinions and tell the cook to make a new steak. We're allowed to do that no? I mean this is a discussion forum is it not?
    Be careful where you're going there. As somebody who has worked in customer service, especially in terms of food, the customer usually has NO CLUE what the hell they're on about. Sounds A LOT like this whole fiasco.

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