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Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button
Patch 5.4.7 adds a new shop button to the character selection screen, making the Level 90 Boost as the first character service that you can purchase in-game. Taepsilum responded to concerns of players upset over the addition of another shop button.


Originally Posted by Taepsilum (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
I know that for those of you who are just not interested at all in the store, these changes might seem somewhat redundant or even a bit annoying. I get that, I really do.

But please understand that a lot of players do like to use the shop, and since this is a fairly new feature (the in-game version of the shop), we want to make sure that everyone is aware of its existence and that you don't actually have to tab out to a web browser to use it.

The buttons outside of the micro-menu exist mainly because the micro-menu is one of those parts of the interface that some addons and UI packs actually hide by default, and we want everyone to know about this new functionality.

I really don't think that this is being in any way obtrusive and/or preventing you from playing the game as you have been doing all along. Now, I do understand that some players might have some more philosophical reasons to dislike it, but I still think that some are just blowing this out of proportion. It's a small button that you can choose to use or to completely ignore, it's not a pop-up window that forces user-interaction with it.

Of course there is a fine line that we don't want to cross when it comes to the number and the positioning of any kind of button within the game, too few buttons or poorly positioned ones often leads to unused/unknown features, too many, and they can become redundant or annoying. I can see that some of you are of the opinion that anything over one button is already too much.

You can rest assured that we will forward all of your feedback to the proper channels, it's important to us that everyone knows about new functionalities but obviously we don't want to cause any discomfort to anyone while doing so.

Warlords of Draenor - PvP Toggle Changes
It looks like players that don't enjoy PvP might be getting an upgraded version of the PvP toggle in Warlords of Draenor!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This is very simple. PVP needs to be voluntary.
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but flagging as a PvE character is based on a player's action to flag themselves (even if it's on accident), so I'm not sure it's us making you PvP. The systems that can cause someone to flag can absolutely at times be involuntary, which is notably frustrating.

In any case we are continuing toward a goal of a PvP on/off toggle for players on PvE realms to be added in Warlords of Draenor, which would absolutely and in all situations allow someone to refrain from becoming flagged regardless of their actions. Heals toward flagged players would fail, coalescing to PvP realms wouldn't be possible, misclicks and AoE's would never damage a flagged opponent, etc. It's actually quite a bit of work because of all the systems involved, but it's still something we think PvE players should have, and how the game should work for them.

Patch 5.4.2 Hotfixes: January 29
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Creatures
  • Resolved an issue that could cause Ordos to be stuck in evade. For targets that Ordos cannot reach, he will now summon them to him.

Quests
  • Family Tree: Resolved an issue where Pandaren characters were unable to see their ancestors after lighting the Incense Bundle.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
doing dps less than a dps spec I assume. If you can tank and dps at 100% why being a regular dps?
Yeah, Tank-specs should do less DPS than DPS-specs, so you don't just bring more Tanks. (Celestalon)
But Vengeance makes sure that not all tanks do that much DPS right?
Not in 6.0; Vengeance no longer affects DPS. (Celestalon)
What is it changed to again? Threat?
It's just the defensive side of what it does today. Will also do Threat if needed, but that's not likely. (Celestalon)
I am lost as to what you mean by that, I guess I will have to wait and find out...
Vengeance currently provides a buff that has both offensive and defensive value. We'll leave the def value, remove off value. (Celestalon)
Does that mean tanks are going to end up less-fun? A lot of the fun of tanking recently has come from vengeance.
Who can say if any specific change makes the game more or less fun for any given person. But no, it shouldn't. (Celestalon)
You're most likely not having fun because of Vengeance->DPS; rather because you do good damage, and the def gameplay is fun. (Celestalon)
Is the idea for Tanks to just more or less do (arbitrary number) 75% of the damage of a DPS all the time?
Yes. (Celestalon)

Are you guys happy with the current DPS rankings? Casters completely dominating melees in pretty much every SoO encounter.
Our data, and community data, heavily disagrees with that. Melee are more of a liability, which we hope to solve. (Celestalon)

OK, fair. When you and your crazy brain crew crunch data, do you do APM analyses? What does it mean to you guys in that context?
We do (abilities per sec), though it's more of something to just 'keep in mind'; we don't really balance around it at all. (Celestalon)
APS seems like a strange standard. Wouldn't most specs hover around 1?
No, not at all. Most don't have a 1sec GCD; spamming something on every GCD is not something we want most to do (OK for some). (Celestalon)
So WoD dev vision is that GCD locking is OK for some specs? Can you explain why you changed your minds on this?
This isn't a change; we're OK with a few specs explicitly designed to be GCD locked. It's desired by some players. (Celestalon)
There have been a few cases where we've decided that specs required too high of an APM (just in terms of raw button presses). (Celestalon)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Do you have plans to address Hunter's secondary stats value? (like Warrior's haste)
Those are not even remotely in the same ballpark. But yes, we want to raise their values. (Celestalon)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
You said we cannot switch in/out seal of faith while in combat. So could we still switch other seals in combat like SoT to SoJ?
Yes. That's expected if you take the other talent which gives you seal-twisting gameplay. (Celestalon)
So does the healing bonus stackable and dispelable?
Talking about Faith again? Faith would stacks, and would not be able to be dispelled. (Celestalon)
That sounds good. SRY one LAST question: Is there a cap stacks of Faith? IF YES, what number will it be?
We'd likely need to have a cap, but not one that you're expected to hit in normal gameplay. (Celestalon)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Dedicated Holy Priests raiding heroic had a hard time the past years. Representation is down to 2-5%. Is this an issue to you?
It's a potential issue that is heavily clouded by the Disc issue. (Celestalon)
So you don't think it has anything to do with shortcomings with HPriest spec? Chakra reduces the usefullnes and lack of utility?
I think that if you re-read my tweet, you'll see that I didn't say that at all. (Celestalon)
Then what do you think HPriest shortcomings are?
We aren't ready to announce specific changes, but the shortcomings of Chakra have been heavily discussed. (Celestalon)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Did you ever consider Shuriken Toss to be some Rotation/playstyle changing talent like alot of hybrids have nowadays?
Do you mean like if you take that talent, then you use that as your optimal rotation, even on Patchwerk? (Celestalon)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
was idly wondering what the odds are shamans can get a passive that makes 2H weapons competitive against DW. I miss the option.
We have no plans to bring back 2H Enhancement, currently. Not 100% out of the question for the future, but not right now. (Celestalon)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
are you happy with results of Demo nerfs? Feel like it's struggling pve and pvp after imp damage and glyph nerf.uvls was enough
The community things the Demo nerfs were way more crippling than they were. There are still Demo locks doing very very high DPS. (Celestalon)
That's not to say that it hasn't ended up inferior to Affliction/Destruction in most situations; it has. But not underpowered. (Celestalon)

Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition
Blizzard showed off the contents of the Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition today.

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Comments 184 Comments
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Just need to say one thing here.

    http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html

    That's all ppl need to look at to see how low Blizzard has fallen. Cause the even managed to break the their own FIRST core value.

    Gameplay first?
    Really?

    RPG game that sells levels. That says it all. And it says exactly what sort of company Blizzard has turned into. Core values my arse.
  1. NigelGurney's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Just need to say one thing here.

    http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html

    That's all ppl need to look at to see how low Blizzard has fallen. Cause the even managed to break the their own FIRST core value.

    Gameplay first?
    Really?

    RPG game that sells levels. That says it all. And it says exactly what sort of company Blizzard has turned into. Core values my arse.
    Appears to relate to how Blizzard were not as they are now. Its sad to see how far they have fallen.
  1. Ganksinatra's Avatar
    THE SKY IS FALLING!!! There's a shop button the size of a pinky nail in the bottom corner of my screen. It is truly the end of days! -- Every whiny WoW player on the planet

    PS- to all of you saying you "have the right" to be mad at whatever you want, you also seem to forget people have the right to tell you to stfu and quit whining like a little girl. Just FYI...
  1. Thealmightyf's Avatar
    Well fuck me. I was considering coming back for WoD but this is the final nail in that coffin.

    I'm not paying monthly just to pay more.
  1. vandam's Avatar
    PS- to all of you saying you "have the right" to be mad at whatever you want, you also seem to forget people have the right to tell you to stfu and quit whining like a little girl. Just FYI...
    You forget that we will have the right to vote with the wallets.
    Wich will force Blizzard to milk you , the last remaining fanboys , harder. Enjoy your shop.
  1. Hyanar's Avatar
    Welp, at least they banned me for something I didn't do.
  1. Rgthreex's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganksinatra View Post
    THE SKY IS FALLING!!! There's a shop button the size of a pinky nail in the bottom corner of my screen. It is truly the end of days! -- Every whiny WoW player on the planet

    PS- to all of you saying you "have the right" to be mad at whatever you want, you also seem to forget people have the right to tell you to stfu and quit whining like a little girl. Just FYI...
    I think you fail to realize "that shop button" is going to effect everyone that plays wow in some shape or form. Wether it's from a financial stand point,in game experience And even forums.

    P.S inc a lot of fotm Rollers that are just going to QQ about how their mains class is being underrepresented.
  1. Salech's Avatar
    I think the reasoning behind it is what makes it seem bad, they are basically saying "yeah people did not want shop buttons in game so they covered it up with addons we don't want that, so let's make a shop buttong that every one sees and can't remove only grey out"

    I personally think that having more shop buttons than Free to play games isn't going to help in the long run with the games reputation however i don't believe they will be selling anything to give you an advantage like gear.
  1. Strakha's Avatar
    Weird how people are so upset about changes in a video game. And half of them portray themselves as 'no longer playing' and 'have fun with your p2w game'.

    I don't get the emotional investment. I play, I'll continue to play, and I don't really care if Johnny Awesome is buying his free level 90, I play the game because I like it, not because I want to skip 90 levels.

    So strange how people are upset about a video game, your emotions might be better invested in something more important in your life, or is this that important?
  1. Shennanigans's Avatar
    Im glad they are fixing it so Pve players cannot be flagged by aoe accidents :P
  1. ElmoMcBeastly's Avatar
    I have already leveled 7 alts to 90, and I would like a button to pay for the other 6 because there really isn't anything more for me to experience levelling-wise.

    Supply, meet demand.
  1. BossManRoth's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Norke View Post
    The end of Wrath and Cata didn't add a cash shop.
    you realize Wrath DID bring the cash shop, it just wasn't in game.
  1. risingforce's Avatar
    Cool.

    It makes purchasing easier for those that want to.
  1. hersheybar's Avatar
    The collectors editions of the games have become stale....hey need to change some stuff up in them or add something
  1. CheeseSandwich's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Wow, who knew a fairly small button in the corner of the login screen, that you'll see for a few seconds, would offend people so easily and somehow be Blizzard shoving it in everyone's faces! Oh, hold on, this is MMO-C where the smallest thing can offend someone immensely.

    I do like how people suddenly make the jump to legendary weapons being in the store... you guys need new hobbies. Stop stalking a game you no longer enjoy.

    Oh well, won't be too much longer before you all forget about it and move on to the next QQ topic. Let's face it, you're a very fickle bunch.
    Might wanna go check the official forums too, this has pissed off a fair swag of people.
  1. Tuhandyn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    Imagine how easier it would be to just have everyone start at 90 as default. Then new players wouldn't have to go through all that crap and nobody would have to be nickle and dimed f2p style in a p2p game. But you keep defending their greed, you must be a shareholder.

    As for the button. Sometimes a guildie will invite me to something on the calendar. There have been times where I've tried to just ignore it but that glowing question mark at the top right gets extremely annoying so I end up just going up and hitting decline. Like another poster here said, it won't be long until specials will be in the store and it will glow on and off till you click it. We all know it's coming.

    As for pay to win. There is no way to win this game. Pay to win is someone who has money having an advantage over someone who doesn't. Sub fees are supposed to make everyone equal. Someone who has more money and is able to skip 90 levels of content is having an advantage. That's a few weeks of resets to get gear, get legendary drops, get into a raid group etc. If they want people to skip all that content they should make it equal and remove it all. Rip off the Rift scaling feature and allow us to lower our levels and go back and do the content optionally if we want.
    Bolded the pertinent part that anybody who's taken the most basic business class at any level of education should be having a chuckle over. Why would you ever, EVER, give away a service that people will pay for?

    Make no mistake, people WILL pay for this. Whether it's new players who want to jump straight into WoD (and are paying for it by buying the game and every expansion, getting the free boost for character #1) or old players who've always wanted to try out a priest, but haven't got the time/patience to level one to cap, or what not. Blizzard's in-game shop is a license to print money. Why would they just give all that away? Try making sense, please.

    Also, there are already specials, genius, and the button is no more obtrusive. Keep grasping at stupid straws.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Strakha View Post
    Weird how people are so upset about changes in a video game. And half of them portray themselves as 'no longer playing' and 'have fun with your p2w game'.

    I don't get the emotional investment. I play, I'll continue to play, and I don't really care if Johnny Awesome is buying his free level 90, I play the game because I like it, not because I want to skip 90 levels.

    So strange how people are upset about a video game, your emotions might be better invested in something more important in your life, or is this that important?
    See this kind of shit doesn't work. It's like saying you have no right to be upset because you had a bad day when there are kids starving in Africa. You can't tell people their problems are meaningless. Don't diminish how people feel. They have every right to be upset about anything in their lives and have the right to voice and vent. If you don't have a problem with it you're more than welcome to piss off and let the people that do have their say. Your emotions about people complaining on a message board might be better invested in something more important in your life.
  1. Tuhandyn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by CheeseSandwich View Post
    Might wanna go check the official forums too, this has pissed off a fair swag of people.
    The forums are not representative in the player base in the slightest.

    Just as these forums are not representative of the player base as there are a ton of people who quit the game before Cata even hit currently whining up a storm about something that will not affect them in any way.
  1. CheeseSandwich's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuhandyn View Post
    The forums are not representative in the player base in the slightest.

    Just as these forums are not representative of the player base as there are a ton of people who quit the game before Cata even hit currently whining up a storm about something that will not affect them in any way.
    Ok. Fine. I was merely pointing out it wasn't just mmo champ blowing up about this.
  1. Tuhandyn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    See this kind of shit doesn't work. It's like saying you have no right to be upset because you had a bad day when there are kids starving in Africa. You can't tell people their problems are meaningless. Don't diminish how people feel. They have every right to be upset about anything in their lives and have the right to voice and vent. If you don't have a problem with it you're more than welcome to piss off and let the people that do have their say. Your emotions about people complaining on a message board might be better invested in something more important in your life.
    Actually, you have no rights whatsoever on this forum, aside those given to you by its administrators. Further actually, none of the clowns on here crying about the in-game shop will do anything about it. They were either already planning to quit, are currently not playing, or will keep playing. GG.

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