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Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button
Patch 5.4.7 adds a new shop button to the character selection screen, making the Level 90 Boost as the first character service that you can purchase in-game. Taepsilum responded to concerns of players upset over the addition of another shop button.


Originally Posted by Taepsilum (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
I know that for those of you who are just not interested at all in the store, these changes might seem somewhat redundant or even a bit annoying. I get that, I really do.

But please understand that a lot of players do like to use the shop, and since this is a fairly new feature (the in-game version of the shop), we want to make sure that everyone is aware of its existence and that you don't actually have to tab out to a web browser to use it.

The buttons outside of the micro-menu exist mainly because the micro-menu is one of those parts of the interface that some addons and UI packs actually hide by default, and we want everyone to know about this new functionality.

I really don't think that this is being in any way obtrusive and/or preventing you from playing the game as you have been doing all along. Now, I do understand that some players might have some more philosophical reasons to dislike it, but I still think that some are just blowing this out of proportion. It's a small button that you can choose to use or to completely ignore, it's not a pop-up window that forces user-interaction with it.

Of course there is a fine line that we don't want to cross when it comes to the number and the positioning of any kind of button within the game, too few buttons or poorly positioned ones often leads to unused/unknown features, too many, and they can become redundant or annoying. I can see that some of you are of the opinion that anything over one button is already too much.

You can rest assured that we will forward all of your feedback to the proper channels, it's important to us that everyone knows about new functionalities but obviously we don't want to cause any discomfort to anyone while doing so.

Warlords of Draenor - PvP Toggle Changes
It looks like players that don't enjoy PvP might be getting an upgraded version of the PvP toggle in Warlords of Draenor!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This is very simple. PVP needs to be voluntary.
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but flagging as a PvE character is based on a player's action to flag themselves (even if it's on accident), so I'm not sure it's us making you PvP. The systems that can cause someone to flag can absolutely at times be involuntary, which is notably frustrating.

In any case we are continuing toward a goal of a PvP on/off toggle for players on PvE realms to be added in Warlords of Draenor, which would absolutely and in all situations allow someone to refrain from becoming flagged regardless of their actions. Heals toward flagged players would fail, coalescing to PvP realms wouldn't be possible, misclicks and AoE's would never damage a flagged opponent, etc. It's actually quite a bit of work because of all the systems involved, but it's still something we think PvE players should have, and how the game should work for them.

Patch 5.4.2 Hotfixes: January 29
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Creatures
  • Resolved an issue that could cause Ordos to be stuck in evade. For targets that Ordos cannot reach, he will now summon them to him.

Quests
  • Family Tree: Resolved an issue where Pandaren characters were unable to see their ancestors after lighting the Incense Bundle.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
doing dps less than a dps spec I assume. If you can tank and dps at 100% why being a regular dps?
Yeah, Tank-specs should do less DPS than DPS-specs, so you don't just bring more Tanks. (Celestalon)
But Vengeance makes sure that not all tanks do that much DPS right?
Not in 6.0; Vengeance no longer affects DPS. (Celestalon)
What is it changed to again? Threat?
It's just the defensive side of what it does today. Will also do Threat if needed, but that's not likely. (Celestalon)
I am lost as to what you mean by that, I guess I will have to wait and find out...
Vengeance currently provides a buff that has both offensive and defensive value. We'll leave the def value, remove off value. (Celestalon)
Does that mean tanks are going to end up less-fun? A lot of the fun of tanking recently has come from vengeance.
Who can say if any specific change makes the game more or less fun for any given person. But no, it shouldn't. (Celestalon)
You're most likely not having fun because of Vengeance->DPS; rather because you do good damage, and the def gameplay is fun. (Celestalon)
Is the idea for Tanks to just more or less do (arbitrary number) 75% of the damage of a DPS all the time?
Yes. (Celestalon)

Are you guys happy with the current DPS rankings? Casters completely dominating melees in pretty much every SoO encounter.
Our data, and community data, heavily disagrees with that. Melee are more of a liability, which we hope to solve. (Celestalon)

OK, fair. When you and your crazy brain crew crunch data, do you do APM analyses? What does it mean to you guys in that context?
We do (abilities per sec), though it's more of something to just 'keep in mind'; we don't really balance around it at all. (Celestalon)
APS seems like a strange standard. Wouldn't most specs hover around 1?
No, not at all. Most don't have a 1sec GCD; spamming something on every GCD is not something we want most to do (OK for some). (Celestalon)
So WoD dev vision is that GCD locking is OK for some specs? Can you explain why you changed your minds on this?
This isn't a change; we're OK with a few specs explicitly designed to be GCD locked. It's desired by some players. (Celestalon)
There have been a few cases where we've decided that specs required too high of an APM (just in terms of raw button presses). (Celestalon)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Do you have plans to address Hunter's secondary stats value? (like Warrior's haste)
Those are not even remotely in the same ballpark. But yes, we want to raise their values. (Celestalon)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
You said we cannot switch in/out seal of faith while in combat. So could we still switch other seals in combat like SoT to SoJ?
Yes. That's expected if you take the other talent which gives you seal-twisting gameplay. (Celestalon)
So does the healing bonus stackable and dispelable?
Talking about Faith again? Faith would stacks, and would not be able to be dispelled. (Celestalon)
That sounds good. SRY one LAST question: Is there a cap stacks of Faith? IF YES, what number will it be?
We'd likely need to have a cap, but not one that you're expected to hit in normal gameplay. (Celestalon)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Dedicated Holy Priests raiding heroic had a hard time the past years. Representation is down to 2-5%. Is this an issue to you?
It's a potential issue that is heavily clouded by the Disc issue. (Celestalon)
So you don't think it has anything to do with shortcomings with HPriest spec? Chakra reduces the usefullnes and lack of utility?
I think that if you re-read my tweet, you'll see that I didn't say that at all. (Celestalon)
Then what do you think HPriest shortcomings are?
We aren't ready to announce specific changes, but the shortcomings of Chakra have been heavily discussed. (Celestalon)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Did you ever consider Shuriken Toss to be some Rotation/playstyle changing talent like alot of hybrids have nowadays?
Do you mean like if you take that talent, then you use that as your optimal rotation, even on Patchwerk? (Celestalon)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
was idly wondering what the odds are shamans can get a passive that makes 2H weapons competitive against DW. I miss the option.
We have no plans to bring back 2H Enhancement, currently. Not 100% out of the question for the future, but not right now. (Celestalon)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
are you happy with results of Demo nerfs? Feel like it's struggling pve and pvp after imp damage and glyph nerf.uvls was enough
The community things the Demo nerfs were way more crippling than they were. There are still Demo locks doing very very high DPS. (Celestalon)
That's not to say that it hasn't ended up inferior to Affliction/Destruction in most situations; it has. But not underpowered. (Celestalon)

Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition
Blizzard showed off the contents of the Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition today.

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  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuhandyn View Post
    Bolded the pertinent part that anybody who's taken the most basic business class at any level of education should be having a chuckle over. Why would you ever, EVER, give away a service that people will pay for?

    Make no mistake, people WILL pay for this. Whether it's new players who want to jump straight into WoD (and are paying for it by buying the game and every expansion, getting the free boost for character #1) or old players who've always wanted to try out a priest, but haven't got the time/patience to level one to cap, or what not. Blizzard's in-game shop is a license to print money. Why would they just give all that away? Try making sense, please.

    Also, there are already specials, genius, and the button is no more obtrusive. Keep grasping at stupid straws.
    I said it would glow when there are specials, genius. Take the stupid straw out of your mouth and use it to point to me where there is a glowing button. Also by your stupid revelation they could take everything out of the game and make you pay extra for it. Why give us raids when they can make you pay? Think before you post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuhandyn View Post
    Actually, you have no rights whatsoever on this forum, aside those given to you by its administrators. Further actually, none of the clowns on here crying about the in-game shop will do anything about it. They were either already planning to quit, are currently not playing, or will keep playing. GG.
    As long as I'm not breaking the forum rules yes I am allowed to voice my opinion. If you don't wish to read posts complaining about the cash shop you are more than welcome to leave or put all of us on ignore. Using words like whining and crying, it's amusing because that's what you're doing. You're whining and crying about people whining and crying.
  1. TCceen's Avatar
    I wish they would promote their Raid Finder button as much as the store. To this day I have to tell people about it.... I mean... It could be right there on the journal next to raids! There could be a join Q for each dungeon next to the boss in the journal? next to the loot windows??? so many places!! on the LFR group finder screen... derp derp derp....
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Grishnok View Post
    How much do you want to bet that within the next year or two you will be able to purchase previous tier PVP and PVE sets from the shop as a "catch up" method. This is definitely not a far fetched or outrageous idea. And the fanbois will all defend it with the same bullshit idiot nonsense that they defend the purchasable level 90's. "Its just so people dont log in and say, oh man I need to gear up first before I can play with my friends." Hogshit. Its gonna happen. Mark my words.
    That is an awful lot of anger towards something that is only happening in your own brain. Why not get even more angry and imagine that we will be able to buy buttons in the cashshop that we can press to insta-kill a raid boss. If you like to get angry over stuff that you are imagining, you might as well go all the way with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm137 View Post
    So long story short on the shop buttons, "we like the money we make from people and could care less if a small amount of people are against our transition to a p2p game with full f2p shop features". I have never played a f2p game worth mentioning that shoves the shop in your face as much as blizz seems to want to lately. If they're just trying to hold out till the inevitable f2p and make as much money as they can before then, then that is their decision, it is not however a decision I will continue to support.

    If they really cared about the people who didn't want to see the buttons then they should have had an option that hides them, not shove it down your throat on multiple screens that they don't even want addons to hide anymore.
    Yeah, I mean they already cram down our throats those annoying buttons that allow us to see the credits, and previous cinematics. I mean.. geez, That little button on the bottom left of my screen is more than I can possibly take for the 2 seconds it takes me to select a character. /stupidity /sarcasm
  1. Siddown's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    That is an awful lot of anger towards something that is only happening in your own brain. Why not get even more angry and imagine that we will be able to buy buttons in the cashshop that we can press to insta-kill a raid boss. If you like to get angry over stuff that you are imagining, you might as well go all the way with it.
    100% pure awesome.
  1. Kryos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BossManRoth View Post
    you realize Wrath DID bring the cash shop, it just wasn't in game.
    The Collectors Edition was already loot you only got if you pay extra - that was vanilla. Do you have a mini Diablo or a Mini Zergling or a mini Panda Baby pet? No? Why? Because you did not pay enough back then...
  1. Moradim's Avatar
    you know what annoys me?

    even f2p games dont beg you this much to use their store.

    THREE icons (and growing). why dont we just have a store popup on loading screens and after using any ability?
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I'm a paying customer, don't tell me what I can or can't be upset about. I have the right to complain about whatever the fuck I want. Only here would people be praised for not liking something but staying silent and bending over and taking it. In the rest of the world it's a sign of strength when you stick up for something you don't like. If the cable company is screwing you I don't see legions of cable company fanboys whining about how you should just shut up and that the cable company is just trying to make tv better bla bla bla. You need a reality check. When the cook at your restaurant screws up your steak you're welcome to shut the hell up and take it and not complain. Some of us have a spine and voice our opinions and tell the cook to make a new steak. We're allowed to do that no? I mean this is a discussion forum is it not?
    you consider whinning like a 2 year old on a video game forum a sign of strength? I think we understand you now, you are also one of those people who thinks having a lvl 90 is an accomplishment that is being cheapened by all this.

    Stay Strong Man!! fight the power!! vive la revolution!!!
  1. Captiosus's Avatar
    To put this in perspective:

    The Old Republic, a legitimately free-to-play game re-tooled around microtransactions as the bulk of their revenue stream: ONE shop button. No shop button on the launcher, login screen, or the escape menu. Just the one single cartel market button at the top of the UI. Yes, there are other ways the market is integrated into the UI but one has to actually dig for them.

    As of the next patch, Warcraft, a pay-to-play game, will have THREE in-game shop buttons and a near persistent news "link" via the launcher to the web version of the shop.

    Do people see why there are legitimate complaints now? Blizzard is shoving their shop in our faces more than most F2P games do.
    It smacks of desperation and greed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    Yeah, I mean they already cram down our throats those annoying buttons that allow us to see the credits, and previous cinematics. I mean.. geez, That little button on the bottom left of my screen is more than I can possibly take for the 2 seconds it takes me to select a character. /stupidity /sarcasm
    You were making a decent, if not entirely valid, argument until you put in "/stupidity".

    But, hey, if you want to play the ad hominem game: As soon as you typed your little "/stupid" remark, you advertised yourself as a Blizzard sycophant. Blizzard could bend you over and have their way with you and you'd be happy to let them do it again. In fact, that's precisely what they're doing. They want you to buy into f2p/b2p microtransactions while still being a p2p game. And little worker ants like you defend it tooth and nail, proving, again, that P.T. Barnum knew what he was talking about.
  1. Nexsa's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xivilai View Post
    The people's problem is that Blizz is implementing pay to win features in a game that charges $15 a month to play already. The greedy douche bags are gouging those willing to buy from the shop, wasting time creating new shit for it. Making people wait without info on anything Warlords related, so people are getting agitated. Then they shove more shop features down people's throats. It wouldn't piss people off so much if they would just say they're going p2w. Albeit buying max level toons is not pay to win yet, they're getting awfully damn close now.

    Having a certain mount helps you down raid bosses? Neat, didn't know that. Brb while I go buy a mount to down Garrosh. Love pay to win!
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    you consider whinning like a 2 year old on a video game forum a sign of strength? I think we understand you now, you are also one of those people who thinks having a lvl 90 is an accomplishment that is being cheapened by all this.

    Stay Strong Man!! fight the power!! vive la revolution!!!
    Whining like a 2 year old on a video game forum? That's what you seem to be doing. Considering you're upset enough to resort to personal attacks. Grow up.
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rgthreex View Post
    I think you fail to realize "that shop button" is going to effect everyone that plays wow in some shape or form. Wether it's from a financial stand point,in game experience And even forums.

    P.S inc a lot of fotm Rollers that are just going to QQ about how their mains class is being underrepresented.
    yeah, because that doesn´t happen now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salech View Post
    I think the reasoning behind it is what makes it seem bad, they are basically saying "yeah people did not want shop buttons in game so they covered it up with addons we don't want that, so let's make a shop buttong that every one sees and can't remove only grey out"
    .
    Or perhaps they wanted a shop button at the character selection screen, where you know, you would have that lvl 1 character that you wanted to boost.
  1. kenshinag's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    I'm a paying customer, don't tell me what I can or can't be upset about. I have the right to complain about whatever the fuck I want. Only here would people be praised for not liking something but staying silent and bending over and taking it. In the rest of the world it's a sign of strength when you stick up for something you don't like. If the cable company is screwing you I don't see legions of cable company fanboys whining about how you should just shut up and that the cable company is just trying to make tv better bla bla bla. You need a reality check. When the cook at your restaurant screws up your steak you're welcome to shut the hell up and take it and not complain. Some of us have a spine and voice our opinions and tell the cook to make a new steak. We're allowed to do that no? I mean this is a discussion forum is it not?
    Wow. You're not the easiest type of person to get along with huh. I get it, you hate when people screw you over. I hate it too. However, getting all rage faced and foaming at the mouth in public isn't the best way to get what you want. If your cable company is screwing you over, you know what you can do? Cancel your subscription. If your restaurant fucks up your steak? Leave and don't come back. Being a whiny little brat and crying over little things instead of manning up and working with the cards you're dealt or leaving without making a scene is never a good idea. However, I get your passion, and I appreciate it. In these 2 examples you have every right to be this upset because they're personally fouling you. Blizzard is making a business decision that's affecting ALL OF US. Not just the ones that are in disagreement. You can be upset, but don't think that Blizzard is personally screwing you over. Be a man, cancel your sub, take your money elsewhere. The ones that can roll with the punches will stick around and have a better experience with people like you gone.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kenshinag View Post
    Wow. You're not the easiest type of person to get along with huh. I get it, you hate when people screw you over. I hate it too. However, getting all rage faced and foaming at the mouth in public isn't the best way to get what you want. If your cable company is screwing you over, you know what you can do? Cancel your subscription. If your restaurant fucks up your steak? Leave and don't come back. Being a whiny little brat and crying over little things instead of manning up and working with the cards you're dealt or leaving without making a scene is never a good idea. However, I get your passion, and I appreciate it. In these 2 examples you have every right to be this upset because they're personally fouling you. Blizzard is making a business decision that's affecting ALL OF US. Not just the ones that are in disagreement. You can be upset, but don't think that Blizzard is personally screwing you over. Be a man, cancel your sub, take your money elsewhere. The ones that can roll with the punches will stick around and have a better experience with people like you gone.
    Oh look, here's another one whining about the whining. It's fun jumping to conclusions and playing make believe in your head and resorting to personal insults and attacks huh? When you can grow up and make a point without doing all of that get back to me.
  1. SmokeNicotine's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Monstafish2k View Post
    No mount with the ce?!?!?! Srsly?!
    MOP was the only expansion to give a mount with the CE...nothing out of the norm here.
  1. Crevox's Avatar
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  1. Ysilla's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Moradim View Post
    you know what annoys me?

    even f2p games dont beg you this much to use their store.

    THREE icons (and growing). why dont we just have a store popup on loading screens and after using any ability?
    So invasive I never even mentioned any of them while playing so far. I don't even know where these THREE icons are.
  1. Siddown's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    Oh look, here's another one whining about the whining. It's fun jumping to conclusions and playing make believe in your head and resorting to personal insults and attacks huh? When you can grow up and make a point without doing all of that get back to me.
    I'm not sure you get to complain about people who are acting exactly the way you are and somehow try and take the maturity high ground.

    But let's get to your "why can't I complain about my steak" analogy, and why it's horrible. When I go to a steakhouse, the steak is the single most important part of my meal. For someone who cares about PvP, PvP might be WoW's steak. If I'm a raider, PvE Raid Content would be the equivalent of the steak. A tiny button that only shows up on the default UI and another button by the Add Ons button on the character select screen (which I didn't even notice) is not the steak, if anything it's a bad piece of parsley on the side of the plate.

    Now, you might hate that piece of parley, and that's fine. But if you ordered a steak, and it was cooked exactly how you wanted, it had the side you wanted, and there was a piece of parsley on the plate you didn't like, would you also embarrass yourself and make a stink of over it? Maybe, but you can't get mad when other restaurant goers tell you to calm down or snicker at you while you do it.

    If you are one of the dozens of people in this thread who apparently are no longer playing (someone claimed they quit before Cataclysm, so 4 years ago yet they are still posting about it), then the parsley is of no concern since you aren't even in the restaurant.
  1. frodoh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by vandam View Post
    Is absolutely Pay to Win.

    On top of a subscription.
    How? What are you winning with an instant level 90?
  1. vandam's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by frodoh View Post
    How? What are you winning with an instant level 90?
    You win time . We start both on a new server. I will buy a character , you level one .
    Untill you are at lvl 90 , I will already gathered iLevel gear.
    We apply both to a guild , I will have 40 iLevels more then you , guess who will get denied .
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by druvirus View Post
    And what has it become? A place where you can buy a few novelty pets/mounts/helms that in no way affect gameplay? Ohhh noooo. Such a slippery slooope! Before you know it the entire game will be buying legendaries! Because, you know, .. we've been slipping down this slope so much! I mean, you started out with the TCG being able to buy mounts and clickie items .. and we slipped down that slope so far we now can buy MOUNTS ... and PETS! What's next, you greedy bastards?! Will we be able to buy special HAIR CUTS?! TOO FAR IS TOO FAR! /shakesfistsangrilyattheheavens
    I never agreed with WoW having a TCG.

    A subscription is supposed to offer accessibility to all that is a part of the game* (not "gimme" but opportunity). Having things exclusive to the TCG and Blizzard Store goes against that core concept. I believe that Blizzard either ought to have alternative means of obtaining them, or switch to the F2P model. As it currently stands, WoW has become something of an unfortunate hybrid.


    *Just to be clear, I am fine with the exclusivity of things attached to Blizzcon and Collector's Edition.

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