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How is buying a fresh 90 char "Pay to Win"? Go play a fresh 90 with iLv483 gear and see how much you contribute to a raid/bg.

Originally Posted by Evisiling

Then they should only make the 90 boost available to people that own all the expansions including WoD and which the account already holds a level 90

I think you probably forgot the fact that you have to buy MoP to get that Lv.90 in the first place.

Originally Posted by zombiekiller2223

because levelling sucks and it takes forever and I never want to do it again after 5 ults and I want all classes so eventually I will buy the 90s

You suck. Don't say it as if everyone hates it.

I remember when race and faction change were announced and the same "P2W" crap was tossed around. I swear, crybaby whiners everywhere.
THIS IS WHY ALIENS WON'T VISIT US

Originally Posted by Keosen

Do you understand how much time consuming 1-100 will be?
Stop with the P2W bullshit, it's just a very expensive shortcut for someone who got money and not enough time, being max level doesn't wins you anything if you are incapable of end gaming PvP or PvE.

In the end I agree with not being P2W. But leveling should still be part of your character's journey. I learned so much from my first time leveling, it took me almost two months to go from 1-80, and I don't regret 1 minute of this time I spent with my character getting stronger and stronger, and meeting people across the way. I made good friends that helped me while the Alliance was ganking lowbies in Eastern Plaguelands.

All the knowledge I acquired the first time I leveled my Troll Mage, helped me on leveling my second toon, and my third, and my fourth, and so on.

The Level 90 boost is being sold to allow players that would have purchased multiple copies of WoW to get more Level 90 characters to do so in a more reasonable way

can they just stop using this retarded argument? It is insulting at least. They could easily flag the boosted character unable for transfer. Sell whatever you want, it is your game, your right, just stop insulting our intelligence with retarded arguments for 8 years old kids

Originally Posted by Keosen

Do you understand how much time consuming 1-100 will be?
Stop with the P2W bullshit, it's just a very expensive shortcut for someone who got money and not enough time, being max level doesn't wins you anything if you are incapable of end gaming PvP or PvE.

This is another "stupid" argument that most f2p games use(now sub games too). What about people who got the money plus lot of free time? Who stops them to use their money in addition to their abundant free time? Shops are not for the people who don't have time and want to "catch up" with those that have. Shops are for everyone.

Again, I am not saying shops are bad or good. It is what it is. I just got bored of all the excuses and arguments companies give to justify their shops. It is just pure capitalism and is fine.

Originally Posted by Evisiling

Then they should only make the 90 boost available to people that own all the expansions including WoD and which the account already holds a level 90

This is where the price also partly comes from, as all the expansions up to Cataclysm are now part of the "Battlechest" meaning you would need to buy the chest, mists and then Warlords which altogether would probably cost about $60-$80. Doing that would have changed nothing.

Originally Posted by papajohn4

can they just stop using this retarded argument? It is insulting at least. They could easily flag the boosted character unable for transfer. Sell whatever you want, it is your game, your right, just stop insulting our intelligence with retarded arguments for 8 years old kids.

And what about the people who came back to the game and legitimately used the boost to just catch up? Or the people who made a new account for coming back then later regained control of their old account? It would screw over so many people to flag like that, it's even more insulting of you to suggest that.

As for the second part, how is that a bullshit excuse? Once Warlords launches, 1-90 levelling will just be another tedious task that quite frankly is an outdated mechanic from another era. These days a large portion of players just want to dive right into a game without having to spend hours upon hours "levelling" just to do what they want to do. Offering people the opportunity to skip 90% of it at a cost is a fine service. If you can't afford it or think it's a waste of money, well it's not really hurting you now, is it?

Originally Posted by papajohn4

Again, I am not saying shops are bad or good. It is what it is. I just got bored of all the excuses and arguments companies give to justify their shops. It is just pure capitalism and is fine.

Really?Why they don't make boost costs 10 dollars then?
I can assure you than the sales would be much more than the x6 needed to compensate the 50$ loss.

Originally Posted by rewn

And what about the people who came back to the game and legitimately used the boost to just catch up? Or the people who made a new account for coming back then later regained control of their old account? It would screw over so many people to flag like that, it's even more insulting of you to suggest that.

What about them? Those who come back will get the level 90 boost. Those that will regain their account and chose to play that account instead they will also get a level 90 (since they will buy the expansion). They will just not be able to transfer the level 90 of the first account to the other account. What you don't understand? People will get one 90 to their account they will chose to play, they will just be unable to transfer a second one from another account. What people they will screw up? People with multiply accounts that suddenly decide they want to play just one account with all their 90s? Seriously? They can still transfer the characters they normally played, they just cannot transfer the 1 character who took the boost.

Originally Posted by Keosen

Really?Why they don't make boost costs 10 dollars then?
I can assure you than the sales would be much more than the x6 needed to compensate the 50$ loss.

This is just a marketing decision. If the boost was 10 dollar then no one would level a char, the world would be empty and then maybe lose lot of subs from people who like leveling chars or new players. I am not in their marketing team to know why they chose that price, but sure they did that for the overall money they can get from their game.

Originally Posted by Keosen

Really?Why they don't make boost costs 10 dollars then?
I can assure you than the sales would be much more than the x6 needed to compensate the 50$ loss.

This so much.

IMO: The boost will do good and hopefully lower people from being angry/drama when leveling, since there's a way to skip that. I hope low-leveling will be better with this feature

60$ is actually cheap if i compare it to the money i would make at work in the same amount of time.

5 90's, several 85 and ups, I still need a druid though, but I can't be arsed to level.. again. So yeah! One boost for me will make me a happy person. It's not like I'm missing out on content or something, I've seen it so bloody much I lost my desire to redo it. I dunno about others but I hit roadblocks in Hellfire Peninsula (RAAAGH! BOARS!) and Borean Tundra. I don't mind hitting up Vashj'ir though! Something about that zone is nice.

Originally Posted by Vovohard

In the end I agree with not being P2W. But leveling should still be part of your character's journey. I learned so much from my first time leveling, it took me almost two months to go from 1-80, and I don't regret 1 minute of this time I spent with my character getting stronger and stronger, and meeting people across the way. I made good friends that helped me while the Alliance was ganking lowbies in Eastern Plaguelands.

All the knowledge I acquired the first time I leveled my Troll Mage, helped me on leveling my second toon, and my third, and my fourth, and so on.

What part do you not understand?

Some people like leveling.

Some do not.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Some people want to get to end game and have fun with their friends there.

It is a CHOICE, no one is forcing anyone to do anything.

It is an OPTION.

The Level 90 boost is being sold to allow players that would have purchased multiple copies of WoW to get more Level 90 characters to do so in a more reasonable way.
The $60 price point was decided upon to avoid devaluing the accomplishment of leveling a character to 90.
If Blizzard's goal was to sell as many boosts as possible, they would have set the price lower.
The $60 price point wasn't selected to maximize profit, just to represent the amount of time that it takes to level to 90.

This is none of the biggest piles of pigeon dung I've read in a long time. This is a pure money grab and devaluates everyone's characters that are 90 already.

The $60 price point wasn't selected to maximize profit, just to represent the amount of time that it takes to level to 90.

I call bullshit. They're saying that the time it takes to level to 90 is worth more than an entire xpac. Not a chance in hell. If I looked at the amount of time I spent leveling my druid from 1 to 90 after taking a break from WoW and coming back around 5.2, and the time I spent playing after I hit 90 so far in MoP, the difference would be ridiculous. Time spent leveling (at worst 5-6 days of actual playtime), with heirlooms, xp elixirs, hell friends running you through dungeons, is a drop in the bucket, and in my oh so humble opinion, worth maybe $10, compared to what buying an expansion buys you: multiple raids, months of content, and any other time consumer you can think of. I don't know who they're trying to kid by saying it isn't for the profit.

Originally Posted by papajohn4

can they just stop using this retarded argument? It is insulting at least. They could easily flag the boosted character unable for transfer. Sell whatever you want, it is your game, your right, just stop insulting our intelligence with retarded arguments for 8 years old kids

What is so retarded or insulting about this? It's a perfectly good argument. The thing thay want to avoid is not a ton of people transfering characters. They want to avoid having people buying multiple accounts to get the boost. Restricting the transfer service for boosted characters wouldn't really solve anything as there is no doubt in my mind that the people who would buy a new account and expansions to get the boost would just play their new 90s on the separate accounts instead. The only difference between that and offering the boost in the store would be that these people woudn't have to switch accounts all the time.

They buy multiple copies of WoW so that they can multi-box 5-man arena teams entirely controlled by one player, not so they can have more level 90s. =\

I totally agree and believe them about $60 not being maxed for profit.

Convert to Raid's latest episode touches exactly on a great point for this, for a lot of people and somewhat mentally, $100 is a cut off point, it's "too much" for the general person, so, buying 2x90's would go over this cut off point, but if they had put the price at say, $30, it's immensely more likely that people would use it multiple times, they would buy 3x90's and still be under the mental barrier of $100, and Blizzard would of made $90 instead of $60.

It really is no where close to being maximised for pure profit, it will make them a nice little profit, but it's not tailored for mass consumption by the general gamer.

Will I buy one? I don't know, depends if they screw the UK and EU over with it being £60 vs $60 and crap like that, I also enjoy levelling, and would rather be cheap and RaF or something, but that's me, if another guy wants to buy an account full of 90's, go for it.

Originally Posted by rewn

This is where the price also partly comes from, as all the expansions up to Cataclysm are now part of the "Battlechest" meaning you would need to buy the chest, mists and then Warlords which altogether would probably cost about $60-$80. Doing that would have changed nothing.



And what about the people who came back to the game and legitimately used the boost to just catch up? Or the people who made a new account for coming back then later regained control of their old account? It would screw over so many people to flag like that, it's even more insulting of you to suggest that.

As for the second part, how is that a bullshit excuse? Once Warlords launches, 1-90 levelling will just be another tedious task that quite frankly is an outdated mechanic from another era. These days a large portion of players just want to dive right into a game without having to spend hours upon hours "levelling" just to do what they want to do. Offering people the opportunity to skip 90% of it at a cost is a fine service. If you can't afford it or think it's a waste of money, well it's not really hurting you now, is it?

That's why there are plenty of "arcade" games. Ppl forgot wich kind of game WoW is exactly... it's not an outdated mechanic from another era because WoW mmorpgs didn't evolve to arcade/fps games. They're distinct types of game.

Giving the excuse that "it's for those who can't play" is stupid. With this argument, there is no reason at all to not sell gear for example. I don't have time to play, just give me an expensive shortcut to grab the top gear so I can dive right into the faceroll in pve/pvp for a few minutes.

Actually, why someone who pays a sub and go trought the "tedious and outdated mechanic from another era" dings 90 without a decent ilvl while someone who pays go right to 480+? It doesn't matter that you have timeless tokens (but not for 2 trinkets and weapons) if you're getting your 1st 90. Even if you alread have one 90 that isn't roflstomped by the mobs at the isle, not necessarily you do have the correct token to use.

In a sense, it's actually a small P2W since you're making the other guy go trough all the leveling + the gearing to even get the 480+ ilvl that someone who payed for the boost got. The insta 90 guy (if you consider him a new player) doesn't know how to play at all, why put him right into ToT LFR and harder places like isle instead of doing normal scenarios, dungeons, heroics, old (and now easier) maps... the boost should give the questing ilvl you would have after dinging 90 at dread wastes.

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Originally Posted by Quilzar

What part do you not understand?

Some people like leveling.

Some do not.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Some people want to get to end game and have fun with their friends there.

It is a CHOICE, no one is forcing anyone to do anything.

It is an OPTION.

Guess it's hard because it's part of this kind of game genre.

One can understand someone who alread have a few 90s not wanting to level AGAIN. But it's kinda hard to understand why a arcade player would want all the other genres of game to become arcade games and not accepting that others don't understand it.

And they actually screwed the boost service when they decided that the character would also skip part of the post-90 stuff, giving 480+ gear instead of the usual ilvl you finish the leveling. You're actually paying for some advantage over someone who just "pays the sub" and level it to 90 and will have to do dungeons, craft gear, get stomped in timeless isle looking for tokens (but not weapons and a 2nd trinket), etc.

If it's just for the "noble goal of joining your friends" at 90, they can't help you trough this small "tedious and outdated mechanic of gearing at max level" instead of screwing those who do not/can't pay for the character/gear boost. Everyone would love to finish leveling to 90 (without the character/gear boost) and receive a nice set of 480+ gear in my mail (weapon included) so I could skip dungeons, farming for the correct tokens, etc.

And yes, altough it doesn't look like, since boosting players will have to go trough 10 levels after WoD, this advantage will increase a little since you'll get there with better gear than someone who is leveling the normal way (if they don't do things right, you could even be locked out of LFG until reaching the minimum ilvl for the leveling dungeons, be it trough questing rewards or wasting gold with adventure gear from vendors a few quest hubs later into the map). Not to mention that they'll probably upgrade the service to 100 + higher lvl gear after sometime into WoD...

Wond if they will add more stuff to the black market AH for WoD