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Warlords of Draenor - All Mounts Work as Ground Mounts
Almost all mounts will work as ground mounts in Warlords of Draenor!



Warlords of Draenor Flying
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
I've already said that what we said at BlizzCon still holds true at current. If ongoing development changes this including testing, feedback, and etc, then we'll keep people informed. We are in the midst of development and as with anytime we get into it, we often will change design ideas or implementations from what we originally thought we wanted to do to what we believe will more likely work better. We will continue to discuss our ideas as openly as possible (as Alex did) and keep an eye out on constructive feedback. We will do our utmost to address as many concerns that people may have as possible while still keeping in mind the overall health and objectives we have for the game.

We don't work in stone and design is a very fluid thing. We're going to keep moving forward toward creating fun experiences for as many people as possible. I said this over on Twitter and I'll say it again here- "Sometimes I feel I need to say this, but game design decisions are not personal. They aren't meant to cause personal distress. We do care." We want to make sure that Warlords of Draenor (and the game as a whole) continues to deliver truly great experiences and plenty of fun.

Battle.Net Launcher Feedback
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
The fact that YOU think I need MY desktop 'cleaned up' or I can't keep it organized is pretty damned infuriating and condescending, quite frankly.
I don't personally care what your desktop looks like or how many icons you have on it, or if you're able or not able to keep track of them; but icons on your desktop has little-to-nothing to do with offering a unified launcher platform. You can have the Battle.net app create a desktop icon for each game still, if that's what you want to click on.

Right now each of our games is started through a launcher. The launchers help ensure games are up to date, offer functionality to launch other versions (beta/PTR/etc.), has some file management tools (repair), provide quick links to helpful resources (support), and helps bring info front and center when starting a game like patch notes, game info, news, etc.

Instead of having separate launchers for each game, which are individually updated and maintained, and each of which also likely having different requirements and specifics for how it works and operates, it makes a lot of sense for us to have a single platform (e.g. launcher) that brings all the games together under a single roof, streamlines our platforms, and provides a single launcher--instead of many of them--to provide the same features those launchers always have, plus more, and additional flexibility to add features into the future.

If you're launching Blizzard games now, it's quite likely you're seeing a launcher, and that's not really any different than seeing the Battle.net desktop app "launcher".

What the heck ever happened to just double clicking the executable and running the game. That doesn't need "improving."
Online games, like World of Warcraft, usually require that everyone playing use the same files and file versions to ensure content parity. If you and I are playing and the information we each hold about the game differs, it becomes exceedingly difficult for the server to reconcile how those differences play out and also how the client perceives those differences. Everyone needs to be playing the same game, essentially. To help try to make that process smoother, a launcher that starts up before the game checks file versions when starting the game. If your files are not current a patch is downloaded and installed. Additionally, we've added functionality for the launcher to download future patch data ahead of time to reduce the time required on patch day to get into the game, as well as the ability to stream game data so that the entire game doesn't need to be downloaded for new players, or those just reinstalling.

World of Warcraft has had a launcher for the purposes of file version verification since at least 2003. The Battle.net desktop app is, for the purposes of this discussion, an updated launcher.

However: I recommend Blizzard create a list of offline games to play specifically during patch downloads.
If you used the launcher you'd have downloaded the patch data well in advance, and wouldn't need to wait.

Just don't make the battle.net app mandatory in the future. I like double clicking the WoW icon from my desktop to launch WoW. Kthxbai.
You can still do that with the Battle.net app. Cya.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
PvP
is tyrannical gear, for those who like it as x-mog, never to be obtainable again? strange: all other MoP pvp gear is available
It will become available again on a vendor in a future patch. (holinka)

Why the change to feats for PVP titles? Are they going to be permanent now or something?
We've made technical changes to how we deliver rewards and we added a Feat of Strength. Titles are still temporary. (holinka)
IE feats stay, but after a season you lose the title it grants.
Yes you keep the achievement but lose the title. (holinka)
Are the feats permanent, though? Do they stay as 'proof' of your accomplishment for the season? Or gone in S16.
You will always have the achievement that says "Season 14" (holinka)

season 15? .............15.......I've been playing this game for too long.
Yeah, we have been talking about that. The numbers are getting high enough that players are often confused about what season it is. (holinka)

So if we're getting 3 new world bosses, which are dropping the PvP gear?
We're still sorting that out. A lot of things are going to be different. (holinka)
Also keep in mind there were multiple world bosses at MoP launch as well. (holinka)
Should be a chest in a FFA zone somewhere with PvP item in it with a long respawn time.(wtbgurubashi)
Agree it would be fun to so more of this sort of thing (holinka)
By "FFA" you mean "come with the most friends so you can solo loot the chest," right?
World PvP, it can be pretty mean. (holinka)

any plans for fixing Wintergrasp and Tol Barad for Warlords?
Not at this point. The best thing to do would be convert them to battlegrounds, but it requires significant work. (holinka)

Future
What happened to expanding the Darkmoon Faire? All those unused tents depress me....
Me too. (Dave_Maldo)
Any plans?
Yes. But my purple octopus monster hat-dropping world boss didn't make it in yet, either, so who knows when. (Dave_Maldo)

So tabards... Are they likely to get a tab? If not, can Scarlet Tabard be added to the vendor for my other toons?
Maybe! And I believe the vendor only covers achievement/perma-lost tabards, not bought or mob-dropped (Heroic Harlan has it). (Dave_Maldo)

PvP Tournament This Weekend
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This article was originally published in forum thread: WoD - All Mounts Work as Ground Mounts, Launcher Feedback, Blue Tweets, TCG Art started by chaud View original post
Comments 137 Comments
  1. Rolly's Avatar
    Blizzard is going to remove flying going forward because it reduces the development cost plain and simple. The BIG WOD will have flying after 6.1 then they will start telling people how much everyone loved it with no flying and the next ex-pac will have none.

    It's all about costs people, it has nothing to do with gameplay or what the players want. Gotta pay that 60 million plus per year to Bobby and pay off the 1 billion plus debt they now have so their stock options go up. Read their financial report, only 21 cents of every dollar WOW earns goes back into the game, the rest goes into Activisions kitty.
  1. Clockwork Pinkie's Avatar
    I love this idea, since a flying disc can't fly at low levels, why not do it with all mounts. Also pretty sure you could fly right at launch of Cata, or it'd near impossible to level. So people saying can't fly at the start of every expansion, nope, you missed one.
  1. cptaylor38's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Exerus View Post
    Wow Bashiok seems kinda hostile with the Battle.net app replies. I get that he has to deal with a bunch of idiots all day but who pissed him off?

    That's just the standard attitude of a Blizzard Customer service rep and public relations rep. That's all they do, condescend.


    Sure, this scenario is about the launchers, which is completely pointless and they're probably being trolled, but most of the time it's a perfectly valid question or argument and it gets met with a rude response.


    "However: I recommend Blizzard create a list of offline games to play specifically during patch downloads.
    If you used the launcher you'd have downloaded the patch data well in advance, and wouldn't need to wait."


    I'm pretty sure they're talking about the maintenance downtime, not the time to actually download the patch. So the blue response is kind of missing the point in that case.


    But anyway. This is what gets me: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/3...attention-but/

    We're closing this thread that actually has a point, and not validating it with a response other than telling you that it's off-topic and to send a private email that can get an automated response and swept under the rug. Be gone, pest!
  1. Khalkaroth's Avatar
    My drake has wings. Why can't he use them?

    Lightning.

    Why is my Ashes of A'lar already flapping his wings when he's on the ground, but can't seem to produce air to take flight?

    Lightning. Lightning did it, trust me.

    This "unexpansion" is making a joke out of this game.
  1. Vishy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Khalkaroth View Post
    My drake has wings. Why can't he use them?

    Lightning.

    Why is my Ashes of A'lar already flapping his wings when he's on the ground, but can't seem to produce air to take flight?

    Lightning. Lightning did it, trust me.

    This "unexpansion" is making a joke out of this game.
    Your feels....they're just so RAW!!! Grow up, your flying mounts walking will stop 80% of the ERHMERGERD I CANT FLY!!!!!11!!one!!

    Now people can finally stfu and just enjoy next expansion like they're supposed to.
  1. Suffer the Consequences's Avatar
    Bashiok was getting salty lol
  1. ProfessorTjc's Avatar
    I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    Mumper's comparison is rather misleading. In The Burning Crusade, you learned flying at level 70. In Wrath of the Lich King you were able to learn flight at level 77 (which was necessary for the 77-80 zones). But for Warlords of Draenor, instead of being bound strictly by a level requirement we'll also be restricted by patch.

    I think that's an important distinction to keep in mind.


    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorTjc View Post
    I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).
    You prefer to explore by ground, but I enjoy being able to explore by flying (especially for nice views). What's to stop you from just whipping out your ground mount and taking the scenic route?
  1. kamuimac's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorTjc View Post
    I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).
    and the alternative to it aka siting all day long in main city of expansion feel so damn frikin epic :/ all those ways to show off the no lifer purples to the poor "baduals" so frikin epic :/

    u are all swalloing this like young peilikans when in relaity this is a way for blizzard to save funds cause now they have to worry about only 2 dimenions and can take care o the 3rd one later
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    I wonder how many raid tiers this will cost.
  1. Sulrathos's Avatar
    I honestly cant see myself playing if flight is disabled in Draenor for good. Not going to just tableflip and not play WoD at all, ill give it a go and see how it plays out - i may even find myself eating my own words if it feels like im not restricted from exploration in the zone and stuff! But going from past experiences, like TBC days of having no flight through levelling and then having flight, i found it annoying to go back to having no flight come wrath/alts to tell the truth. Pandaria has a flow to its zones, and it felt unrestricted for the most part. But i still felt there was a LOT more to rediscover when flight time came, and admittely i was hoping the same sort of feeling for Draenor. After flight came, my patience for ground mounts went out the window - ill admit to that, i became 'a spoilt child' as ive seen people dub others on here, but in essence they are pretty much giving us candy and then taking it away for no valid reason (that i can see at least).

    The way it seems to me is that they wanna sacrafice the time and money it would take to make the world fully accessible, by taking the easy method of stopping flight. That is how i view it, and i know many probably disagree with it. Reading the blue posts, the only thing that keeps coming to mind is that the world wont be developed enough to benefit flight. But does this not scream to anybody else about a 'flat' world (for lack of a better term)? Only see what they want you to see instead of being able to freely explore the nooks, crannies and mountaintops for yourself. Im fond of flying to the highest mountaintop in the Vale and doing all my guild stuff or crafting or sorting my banks out, transmogs, waiting for dungeons and raids to pop - or flying out to the random peaks in the Jade Forest for the same stuff.

    Again thats just my two cents, sorry if you disagree but each is entitled to their own opinions Heres to hoping that enough people are like minded about keeping flight in the game and it is brought back in an early Draenor patch!
  1. Aliok's Avatar
    (Mumper) As we have said, we are going to disallow flying at launch (like Wrath and Pandaria) and we will play it by ear from there out.
    That... is a very misleading comparison. There is a huge difference between not being able to fly until a certain level versus not being able to fly until the devs push out a patch. One restriction is entirely based upon the effort the player puts into his or her character, the other restriction takes the control out of the player's hands entirely.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorTjc View Post
    I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).
    Flying adds a feeling of exploration. I often stop to take closer looks at something that piques my interest, or to admire the vista in front of me. I can understand your point of view - flying does mess with a feeling of scale, especially in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms because they weren't originally designed for it - but I'm not going to use a ground mount to run to places. I'm going to use flightpoints and get up from the computer to do something else. And, come to think of it, adding flying to classic Azeroth meant that several places became much more fleshed out. Ruins of Lordaeron are particularly fascinating for me, for example.

    ----

    To various people commenting on the 'idiocy' or 'b*tching' over the Battle.net app which will be replacing all game launchers:

    I am one of those objecting to it. I am not an idiot, I'm not trolling, I am not a technophobe, and I'm not stuck in the 90's or 00's (I am far too married to fast internet and have no desire for dial-up or broadband). I just don't need the software and resent that it will be shoved down my throat in the future. Maybe if the consolidated launcher had out-of-game chat and maybe if it allowed an "invisible" mode, then I might want it. (Please, no comments about being "invisible", that is a separate conversation.)

    The only time I see the launcher for WoW - and ever want to see any launcher - is when there is an update to download. Otherwise, straight to the log-in screen, type in my password (I have my account set to only need the auth code every once in a while), and I'm sitting pretty at the character select screen. I am happy like this.

    I understand that the 'unified launcher' has several features that many are pleased to have. That's cool. Blizzard wants to consolidate all the different launchers into one launcher for, at the very least, to eliminate or reduce extra/duplicative work. That's cool. My objection is that I, personally, don't need it and don't want it running every time. The only time I ever 'need' to see a launcher is when it's downloading an update. I don't care to see the marketing and I get all the info I need pretty much from MMO-Champion alone. :\

    I don't know if it's changed since last I tried out Battle.net App some number of months ago, but I have the distinct recollection that I could not directly open from the game executable even though I was 100% up-to-date. This really, really made me displeased - so I uninstalled it despite kind of liking what I saw in the Hearthstone beta.

    I just do not need another layer, another program that I have open and then manually close so it isn't running in the background. Does this mean I may have to spend time waiting to play because it wasn't downloading something in the background? Maybe. But it won't bother me. I have this pretty wallpaper to contemplate.
  1. Incitatus's Avatar
    I find it shady that they refuse to disclose the specific flying plans, although they are already selling the expansion. When is 6.1? What if people spend money on the expansion, then Blizz says "yo, we're getting rid of that yo, thanks for the money foo".

    Although I don't agree with removal for leveling purposes, I get it. Removing it from all future wow seems lackluster.

    Cata worked. They only gave 5 levels of material, then wondered why people got through it so fast.
  1. Theendgamelv3's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorTjc View Post
    I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).
    So you would get rid of flight paths as well?
  1. PuppetShowJustice's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Incitatus View Post
    I find it shady that they refuse to disclose the specific flying plans, although they are already selling the expansion. When is 6.1? What if people spend money on the expansion, then Blizz says "yo, we're getting rid of that yo, thanks for the money foo".

    Although I don't agree with removal for leveling purposes, I get it. Removing it from all future wow seems lackluster.

    Cata worked. They only gave 5 levels of material, then wondered why people got through it so fast.
    They clearly do not want flying in WoD or they wouldn't have bothered with this "We want to delay putting it in the game." They know that saying something up front would be a disaster so they're hoping people will buy the expansion and commit to WoD before they go "This is working out well with no flying; it's going to stay this way."

    I'm less offended by the lack of flying but I am offended by the way they're handling this. Mark my words; they won't confirm or deny their WoD flight plans until after the expansion has already launched on live servers and players are already invested in the expansion because they're afraid of the backlash that comes with them being honest.
  1. Barnabas's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aliok View Post
    That... is a very misleading comparison. There is a huge difference between not being able to fly until a certain level versus not being able to fly until the devs push out a patch. One restriction is entirely based upon the effort the player puts into his or her character, the other restriction takes the control out of the player's hands entirely.



    Flying adds a feeling of exploration. I often stop to take closer looks at something that piques my interest, or to admire the vista in front of me. I can understand your point of view - flying does mess with a feeling of scale, especially in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms because they weren't originally designed for it - but I'm not going to use a ground mount to run to places. I'm going to use flightpoints and get up from the computer to do something else. And, come to think of it, adding flying to classic Azeroth meant that several places became much more fleshed out. Ruins of Lordaeron are particularly fascinating for me, for example.

    ----

    To various people commenting on the 'idiocy' or 'b*tching' over the Battle.net app which will be replacing all game launchers:

    I am one of those objecting to it. I am not an idiot, I'm not trolling, I am not a technophobe, and I'm not stuck in the 90's or 00's (I am far too married to fast internet and have no desire for dial-up or broadband). I just don't need the software and resent that it will be shoved down my throat in the future. Maybe if the consolidated launcher had out-of-game chat and maybe if it allowed an "invisible" mode, then I might want it. (Please, no comments about being "invisible", that is a separate conversation.)

    The only time I see the launcher for WoW - and ever want to see any launcher - is when there is an update to download. Otherwise, straight to the log-in screen, type in my password (I have my account set to only need the auth code every once in a while), and I'm sitting pretty at the character select screen. I am happy like this.

    I understand that the 'unified launcher' has several features that many are pleased to have. That's cool. Blizzard wants to consolidate all the different launchers into one launcher for, at the very least, to eliminate or reduce extra/duplicative work. That's cool. My objection is that I, personally, don't need it and don't want it running every time. The only time I ever 'need' to see a launcher is when it's downloading an update. I don't care to see the marketing and I get all the info I need pretty much from MMO-Champion alone. :\

    I don't know if it's changed since last I tried out Battle.net App some number of months ago, but I have the distinct recollection that I could not directly open from the game executable even though I was 100% up-to-date. This really, really made me displeased - so I uninstalled it despite kind of liking what I saw in the Hearthstone beta.

    I just do not need another layer, another program that I have open and then manually close so it isn't running in the background. Does this mean I may have to spend time waiting to play because it wasn't downloading something in the background? Maybe. But it won't bother me. I have this pretty wallpaper to contemplate.
    I agree they need to not open the launcher at all when you right click the tray icon to launch a game and when you actually launch a game the launcher needs to close by itself. I'd think this would be something they'd change before forcing it on everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuppetShowJustice View Post
    They clearly do not want flying in WoD or they wouldn't have bothered with this "We want to delay putting it in the game." They know that saying something up front would be a disaster so they're hoping people will buy the expansion and commit to WoD before they go "This is working out well with no flying; it's going to stay this way."

    I'm less offended by the lack of flying but I am offended by the way they're handling this. Mark my words; they won't confirm or deny their WoD flight plans until after the expansion has already launched on live servers and players are already invested in the expansion because they're afraid of the backlash that comes with them being honest.
    No you'll see how flight works in the beta. So why spoil anything now?
  1. carlos5577's Avatar
    You know if they increased ground mount speed by 50% %100 more (only in pve not pvp), then people would be okay with change and heck it be a lot more fun going at high speeds in the ground.
  1. tangers58's Avatar
    How about if you don't want to fly at max level... don't. Just like in every other expansion. No need to force everyone else to do it your way.
  1. Anufenrir's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by missamy View Post
    All Mounts Work as Ground Mounts

    Well that is just a stupid idea!
    Ashes of al'ar has no legs!!
    Dude, it's just going to hover along the ground like if you were riding it on the ground or if you were riding Heart of the Aspects
  1. ssjgohan4life's Avatar
    I really dont like like the "play it by ear" comments from the interviews, it makes it seem like they are deciding whether or not they can get away with taking it away all together, rather than how long they wont let you do it. There is no reason to remove flying, its one of the greatest additions to this game, not being able to fly until max level in a new expansion is nothing new and is completely fine, cata was the only exception because hello, most of the content took place in old azeroth, not new areas. I could never imagine a reason why I would leave this game but if they for some odd reason they decided to remove flying all together (and I mean ALL flying, old world etc) then they'd lose me too along with half of their subscribers left.

    And for those of you saying you hate flying and wish it was removed, first of all, why the hell do you hate it? Are you one of those people who sits there reporting names like Healbot on RP servers because it breaks you out of the immersion? If you dont like flying, DONT FLY, if you dont like flying because people gank you, DONT ROLL PVP, don't wish the misfortune of it not even being a choice on everybody because you have your own opinions.

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