Challenge Mode End of Season - Reward Clarifications

Let's say big "FUCK YOU!" to the guys that actually love challenge modes. That will sure make CMs even more poular. Thank you blizzard GJ!.

And this is why other MMOs are becoming superior to Warcraft. Warcraft rather get rid of and let huge amounts of content rot rather than keep it in play. Old zones are pointless, old dungeons etc... Warcraft needs a level mentoring system where you can mentor to the appropriate level and still have access to all these things and still have meaning, the rewards, and so forth.

I wish they had story lines that progressed throughout the expansion that took us to places not just the new zones. Mists was a huge missed opportunity for this. There should have been war bands for both factions on all continents attacking the settlements there. However Blizzard doesn't want to disrupt peoples game play, look at the whine from the zombie WotLK launch. There is another underlying problem in that Blizzard permanently locks content into this timed story line that becomes irrelevant once the next expansion hits. Instead the zones story should be something for those that level and each patch and expansion should bring elements of a overall story for the expansion and progress it allowing stuff to be done all over the world and on different continents. A decent example of this comes with how Rift does their quests now.

Since those Challenge dungeons will no longer be available in Warlords of Draenor, their respective titles are also being permanently removed.

Having all the realm best titles on my realm this is very disappointing to say the least. I thought we would keep the titles and maybe make for some interesting back and forth between the top guilds to make sure we keep them. What a let down.

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Originally Posted by Tinykong

It would have been great to leave the titles in and allow people to fight up until the patch day to keep them. Isn't that the whole point behind them?

Those were my thoughts exactly.

Originally Posted by Soeroah

Don't the arena titles periodically get removed and changed? Or am I remembering wrong? Challenge modes are PvE arenas.

Gladiator, Duelist, Rival and Challenger get removed. Rank 1 doesn't, because it's earned (not to say the others aren't), just like rank 1 CM. Stupid decision.

Originally Posted by scvd

Gladiator, Duelist, Rival and Challenger get removed. Rank 1 doesn't, because it's earned (not to say the others aren't), just like rank 1 CM. Stupid decision.

Remove Undaunted if anything.

Originally Posted by majesta

And this is why other MMOs are becoming superior to Warcraft.

Well, they are not. Everything else you wrote after is just noise. Wow is still by far the best MMO on the market.

Originally Posted by segoplout

Well, they are not. Everything else you wrote after is just noise. Wow is still by far the best MMO on the market.

This isn't a "WoW is < / > / = to x" subject, so, lets keep on topic.

The removal of the titles is nothing short of dsiappointing and rather counter-intuitive. Now there is practically no incentive to try and keep the titles if they're just going to be removed. I quite looked forward to seeing the intense competition to see who keeps them. Why keep everything else and not the titles?

also, whats the point of removing the titles anyway?

"cause the challenge modes are going away"

so what? you cant get grand crusader now either. or hand of a'dal, and so on. gives them more prestige if its something you cant get anymore.

Great thanks Blizzard, we literally tried and achieved a world best time only to get the title. With this logic why do the PvP rank one titles exist?

Originally Posted by erroodwen

For those a little confused on the wording, it has been confirmed via Blue Post in the Comments in the Official Thread that:

9/9 Silver or better on ONE TOON = 4 account wide mounts.

Rejoice, no more gearing and running alts through CMs for individual eggs.

I'm sorry, where is the confirmation, other than the blue post above? Now we need a clarification post about the clarification post.

All well and good, however - why are they removing the dungeons? Isn't more options just a good thing when it is based on a thing where you manually form the groups so you make up all the rules? I have to say I don't get that. It's like removing perfectly fine content.

Originally Posted by Mekatron

I'm sorry, where is the confirmation, other than the blue post above? Now we need a clarification post about the clarification post.

I can't post the link apparently, but if you go to the blog post and click over to the "Latest" comments it'll be there. Probably a few pages back now, since she posted earlier this afternoon, but just look for the blue text and you'll find it.

Someone asked "Sooo...I can buy all the phoenix mounts on a single character? I don't have to get all silvers across four? That would make me beyond happy."

Nethaera replied "If you earn all of the silvers on the one character, you should get all of the rest of the Phoenix mounts."

Originally Posted by Triskaideka

I can't post the link apparently, but if you go to the blog post and click over to the "Latest" comments it'll be there. Probably a few pages back now, since she posted earlier this afternoon, but just look for the blue text and you'll find it.

Someone asked "Sooo...I can buy all the phoenix mounts on a single character? I don't have to get all silvers across four? That would make me beyond happy."

Nethaera replied "If you earn all of the silvers on the one character, you should get all of the rest of the Phoenix mounts."

Thx so much for the info, I'm still trying to find it in the source but couldn't yet. Well, I'm telling all my friends I was right, so don't u trick me now!

Originally Posted by Clozer

AHAHAHHAHA. Nice. So everyone who is stayin at a dead server for the title will lose them with wod.

Staying on a dead server was never doing to work. Dead servers are being merged virtually, and challenge mode titles go to the highest time on the combined server. So you'd have lost it immediately anyway when your dead server was combined with another

I don't have any of the titles anymore, and I still don't like them removing the titles. Even if there are new titles, these particular ones are going away permanently, and some of them are very cool.

Originally Posted by segoplout

Well, they are not. Everything else you wrote after is just noise. Wow is still by far the best MMO on the market.

Define best? It is subjective. I feel other MMOs are starting to beat Warcraft as Warcraft isn't the new innovative kid on the block. They are the big beast now that everyone else is trying to figure out how to take down and they are doing it. A death by a thousand cuts.

Let us look at Warcraft from a slightly different angle.

A lot of people have recently be clamoring about how Warcraft has been stumbling the past few years. We exited Cataclysm what is being hailed as the worst expansion and is very consistent in polling about this, and jumped into Mists. Mists was a promising expansion, however it met great resistance and turned many away right away. The quality of Mists doesn't matter when 5 million subscriptions are lost over a 3 year period.

Now we have Warlords of Draenor to look forward. From my initial reaction is it appears to be a universe pseudo reboot to attract the older player base back. This is their "OMG we must save our cash cow" reaction to bring Warcraft back, but is it really back?

I am not saying Warcraft is toast, I just feel the game is going to continue to drop subscriptions over time. There probably will even be a sub bounce at Warlords launch. But I feel Warcraft has already hit its pinnacle and now we are watching the decline. At the time of Warcraft's initial launch in 2004 and 2005 they revolutionized MMOs. They shook MMOs to their core foundation, challenged and changed so much. At the time gaming was for a much more hardcore group of people. The concept of casual gaming didn't really exist. Warcraft brought a lot of quality of life changes to the gaming genre and many other newer games over the years began to borrow and use these ideas.

This all lead to Warcraft becoming hugely popular and a household name. The novelty of Warcraft has now been absorbed into the industry. The shimmering awesomeness is wearing or has wore off. Nothing stays new and shinny forever. Blizzard is no longer the new trendy kid, even if quality hasn't changed, they are no longer setting the pace of the industry. Warcraft is now in a spot where they are the default MMO in the industry, they are the establishment.

Games are now being designed not to copy Warcraft, but to address the specific issues of Warcraft's design while copying what has been done that works. What was once a small niche subculture thing has now became mainstream and a part of culture. Almost everyone has some experience with the game or knowledge of it and has formed opinions about the game. With that comes some people feeling the game is old and tired. Even if they like the artistic style or the story or some other thing. Others are just tired of lipstick on a pig. Some feel Blizzard is slow to release content. Others feel the quality of play has slide and some even feel Blizzard cares about money more now than ever. All of these lead to people turning away.

No there isn't just that one thing that drives people away as a whole. It is always that straw that breaks the camels back. Sometimes it is something as petty as a very small glitch or bug, but it was the accumulation of problems that turned the individual away. With other MMOs offering different flavors of ice cream with updated engines and graphic systems it is so easy for Warcraft to be in a state of decline, even if that decline takes a decade from now.

Originally Posted by subanark

Since you lost the title when someone else beat your time, it doesn't make sense to have whomever got the best time before the close-off date to keep it. Each of the major patches have added buffs to various classes that does affect challenge mode, making it quicker to do.

So let everyone with the FoS keep the titles of the ones they have... I really don't see a problem with that.

What a bunch of shit. Our group worked our butts off to beat all the realm best times and make them very hard to beat again by anyone else. Dedicated many 3-4 hour nights twice a week to make sure we kept the titles. Now I have no desire to do them at all. Horrible idea, I'm sure many groups that had plans to keep pushing for realm bests will just stop now too. Way to take away the incentive to compete...

Really wrong removing these titles.
Not classy blizzard, not classy at all.

Originally Posted by Soeroah

Don't the arena titles periodically get removed and changed? Or am I remembering wrong? Challenge modes are PvE arenas.

ye you're right. almost all titles come and go with each season. so long as blizzard make sure to implement new titles in the next expansion's CMs I am perfectly ok with this.

So now there is no FoS for titles, they will just be 100% removed, not a single person will have one?

One char 9/9 silver+ = all four mounts?

They could of worded this far better...