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Warlords of Draenor Beta Invites at PAX
It looks like everyone that went to PAX and tested Warlords of Draenor was able to score an invite to Closed Beta.



Launcher Update - Warlords of Draenor Alpha
Previously the Battle.Net Launcher listed Warlords of Draenor as a Beta, but a recent update renamed it to Alpha.



Warlords of Draenor - Garrisons
Warlords of Draenor is adding Garrisons, which are WoW's version of Player Housing. Rather than decorating a house, you are able to build and upgrade a base, as well as collecting followers. Blizzard has previously shown off some Garrison artwork, as well as sharing some information at Blizzcon during the World of Warcraft: What's Next panel and the World of Warcraft Raids, Gameplay, Questing, and More panel.


Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Garrison Levels
Right now there are two different locations with plots in the files, one of which doesn't include the fishing hut.
  • Level 1 - 2 Small Plots, 1 Medium Plot, 1 Large Plot, Mine, Farm, and Fishing Hut
  • Level 2 - 3 Small Plots, 2 Medium Plots, 2 Large Plots, Mine, Farm, and Fishing Hut
  • Level 3 - 4 Small Plots, 3 Medium Plots, 3 Large Plots, Mine, Farm, and Fishing Hut



Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Buildings
A garrison is made up of plots, which are filled by buildings.

  • You can't have every building at once, as you are limited by the number of plots.
  • Each building has a base level and two possible upgrades.
  • There are buildings for almost every profession, which allow you to gather reagents daily and make some of that profession's items.
  • The base level profession building only can hold one day's worth of reagents, so you have to collect them every day. As you upgrade, the building can hold two and then four days worth of reagent batches.
  • Each building has specializations, which gives you some kind of perk, such as portals, more reagents, or buffs to followers.
  • Each building sits on a different plot size, with Profession buildings requiring small plots. The Mine, Fishing Hut, Farm, and Pet Menagerie are listed as unique plot types.

Alchemy Lab (Small)
The Alchemy Lab creates a variety of reagents and interesting Alchemical wonders.
  • GarrBuilding #76 - Generates a batch of Alchemy reagents daily, and allows production of Alchemical items. The building can store at most one batch at a time, and new batches are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #119 - Alchemy Lab - Now stores up to two daily batches worth of Alchemy reagents.
  • GarrBuilding #120 - Alchemy Lab - Unlocks Specializations, and ingredient capacity increases to a maximum of four daily batches.

Armory (Large)
The Armory stores and maintains the armaments used by the Garrison's inhabitants.
  • GarrBuilding #10 - Armory - Unlocks Specializations.
  • GarrBuilding #8 - Armory - Increases the item level of all followers by 1 and grants access to new defense missions.
  • GarrBuilding #9 - Armory - Provides access to Upgrade! Mission bonus.

Barn (Medium)
The Barn houses the animals that provide the Garrison with leather, meat, and cloth.
  • GarrBuilding #24 - Produces leather, meat, cloth, and grants access to new provision missions.
  • GarrBuilding #25 - Now stores up to two days of agricultural goods.
  • GarrBuilding #133 - Unlocks Specializations, and capacity increases to four days of agricultural goods.

Barracks (Large)
The Barracks houses your garrison's military forces and followers.
  • GarrBuilding #26 - Increases maximum number of followers and unlocks new patrol missions.
  • GarrBuilding #27 - Increases maximum number of followers, and provides access to Leadership mission bonus.
  • GarrBuilding #28 - Increases maximum number of Followers, and unlocks Specializations.

Enchanter's Study (Small)
The Enchanter's Study creates both the magical precursors that form an enchantment, as well as completed and usable item enchantments.
  • GarrBuilding #93 - Generates a batch of Enchanting components daily, and allows production of Enchantments. The building can store at most one batch at a time, and new batches are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #125 - Now stores up to two daily batches worth of Enchanting components.
  • GarrBuilding #126 - Unlocks Specializations, and ingredient capacity increases to a maximum of four daily batches.

Engineering Works (Small)
The Engineering Works produces a host of useful gizmos and parts for the intepid tinkerer, and also creates wondrous mechanical devices.
  • GarrBuilding #91 - Generates a batch of Engineering parts daily, and allows production of mechanical items. The building can store at most one batch at a time, and new batches are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #123 - Now stores up to two daily batches worth of Engineering parts.
  • GarrBuilding #124 - Unlocks Specializations, and ingredient capacity increases to a maximum of four daily batches.

Fishing Shack
The Fishing Shack provides bait, tackle, and support to those looking for their next big catch.
  • GarrBuilding #64 - Provides a Fishing merchant and access to new daily Fishing quests.
  • GarrBuilding #134 - Increases the number of daily Fishing quests to 3.
  • GarrBuilding #135 - Increases the number of daily Fishing quests to 5.

Gem Boutique (Small)
Generates a batch of Jewelcrafting components daily, and allows production of Jewelry.
  • GarrBuilding #96 - The building can store at most one batch at a time, and new batches are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #131 - Now stores up to two daily batches worth of Jewelcrafting components.
  • GarrBuilding #132 - Unlocks Specializations, and ingredient capacity increases to a maximum of four daily batches.

Herb Garden (Farm)
A bountiful garden for the planting and harvesting of Draenor herbs.
  • GarrBuilding #29 - Grow and harvest useful herbs in a small garden.
  • GarrBuilding #136 - Grow more herbs within an expanded garden.
  • GarrBuilding #137 - Grow even more herbs with the largest garden possible within the Garrison.

Inn (Medium)
The Inn attracts all manners of talented individuals looking for work from across Draenor.
  • GarrBuilding #34 - Recruit new followers and grants access to new recruiting missions.
  • GarrBuilding #35 - Provides access to the Kitchen with a Cooking tradeskill merchant.
  • GarrBuilding #36 - Unlocks Specializations.

Lumber Mill (Medium)
The Lumber Mill provides Material to assist with the building and upgrading of the Garrison.
  • GarrBuilding #40 - Generates a daily shipment of Material, but the Mill can store at most one shipment at a time. New shipments are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #41 - Now stores up to two shipments of Material.
  • GarrBuilding #138 - Unlocks Specializations, and Material capacity increases to a maximum of four daily shipments.

Mage Tower (Large)
The Mage Tower's arcane researchers search across Draenor for new useful magic for the Garrison.
  • GarrBuilding #37 - Provides access to new mission bonuses and research missions.
  • GarrBuilding #38 - Provides access to more new mission bonuses.
  • GarrBuilding #39 - Unlocks Specializations.

Menagerie
The Menagerie provides new opportunities to develop and enhance your pet retinue.
  • GarrBuilding #42 -Provides new pet options and unlocks pet missions

Mine (Mine)
The Mine was once abandoned, but there are still underground riches ready to be discovered.
  • GarrBuilding #61 - Creates a shipment of ore once per day and Mining Nodes are available inside.
  • GarrBuilding #62 - A new mineshaft allows access to additional mining nodes, and the Mine can now store a maximum of two daily ore shipments.
  • GarrBuilding #63 - A final mineshaft allows access to rich mining nodes, and ore storage capacity expands to a maximum of four daily ore shipments.

Salvage Yard (Small)
The Salvage Yard turns other people's trash into your treasure.
  • GarrBuilding #52 - Transmutes Salvage into Material, and enables new Salvage missions.
  • GarrBuilding #140 - Enables transmutation of Material to Gold.
  • GarrBuilding #141 - Unlocks Specializations.

Scribe's Quarters (Small)
The Scribe's Office produces all manners of magical inks, pigments, and paper, and can also create Glyphs and other magical items.
  • GarrBuilding #95 - Generates a batch of Inscription reagents daily, and allows production of Glyphs and other inscribed items. The building can store at most one batch at a time, and new batches are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #129 - Now stores up to two daily batches worth of Inscription reagents.
  • GarrBuilding #130 - Unlocks Specializations, and ingredient capacity increases to a maximum of four daily batches.

Sparring Arena (Medium)
  • GarrBuilding #159 - Sparring Arena
  • GarrBuilding #160 - Sparring Arena
  • GarrBuilding #161 - Sparring Arena

Stables (Large)
The Stables provide for the care of mounts and pack animals, which are used to help travel across Draenor.
  • GarrBuilding #65 - Reduces mission travel time by 25% and grants access to new exploration missions.
  • GarrBuilding #66 - Increase player mounted speed in Draenor and provides access to Pack Animal Mission bonus.
  • GarrBuilding #67 - Unlocks Specializations.

Storehouse (Small)
The Storehouse has room to keep your and the garrison's items safe and secure.
  • GarrBuilding #51 - Enables new Logistics missions, and increases the storage of daily batches or shipments on every other Garrison building by 1.
  • GarrBuilding #142 - Enables access to your personal bank, and increases the storage of daily batches or shipments on every other Garrison building by 2.
  • GarrBuilding #143 - Unlocks Specializations, and increases the storage of daily batches or shipments on every other Garrison building by 3.

Tailoring Emporium (Small)
  • GarrBuilding #94 - Generates a batch of Tailoring components daily, and allows production of tailored items. The building can store at most one batch at a time, and new batches are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #127 - Now stores up to two daily batches worth of Tailoring components.
  • GarrBuilding #128 -Unlocks Specializations, and ingredient capacity increases to a maximum of four daily batches.

The Forge (Small)
The Forge produces both basic components for use by Blacksmiths, as well as armor and weapons ready for battle.
  • GarrBuilding #60 - Generates a batch of Blacksmithing components daily, and allows production of forged items. The building can store at most one batch at a time, and new batches are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #117 - Now stores up to two daily batches worth of Blacksmithing components.
  • GarrBuilding #118 - Unlocks Specializations, and ingredient capacity increases to a maximum of four daily batches.

The Tannery (Small)
  • GarrBuilding #90 - Generates a batch of Leatherworking components daily, and allows production of leatherworked items. The building can store at most one batch at a time, and new batches are only produced if free storage space is available.
  • GarrBuilding #121 - Now stores up to two daily batches worth of Leatherworking components.
  • GarrBuilding #122 - Unlocks Specializations, and ingredient capacity increases to a maximum of four daily batches.

Trading Post (Medium)
The Trading Post is the Garrison's center of commerce with the natives of Draenor.
  • GarrBuilding #111 - Opens a new trading route and grants access to new trading missions.
  • GarrBuilding #144 - Opens an additional trade route.
  • GarrBuilding #145 - Unlocks Specializations.

Workshop (Large)
  • GarrBuilding #162 - Workshop
  • GarrBuilding #163 - Workshop
  • GarrBuilding #164 - Workshop

Building Specializations
  • GarrSpecialization #11 - Blackrock Mining Cart - Grants a chance to discover Blackrock Mining Carts full of extra ore.
  • GarrSpecialization #12 - Orchard - Plant an orchard in your garrison that will produce rare fruit.
  • GarrSpecialization #13 - Exquisite Skinning Knife - Increases the hourly skin gathering rate by 10%.
  • GarrSpecialization #2 - Show Posts - Enables you to stable five more mounts at the stable for public display.
  • GarrSpecialization #22 - Gemfinding - Mining nodes in your garrison mine have a chance to produce rare gems.
  • GarrSpecialization #23 - Mass Teleport - Removes travel time for the first misison every day that requres 5 followers.
  • GarrSpecialization #24 - City Travel - Provides access to portals that grant transport to cities other than Orgrimmar and Stormwind.
  • GarrSpecialization #25 - Mechanical Picker - Automates harvesting of herbs from the garden.
  • GarrSpecialization #3 - Mount Trader - A rare mount trader has taken up shop at your garrison stables building.
  • GarrSpecialization #7 - Recall Portal - Allows you to abort a current mission and immediately bring followers back.
  • GarrSpecialization #8 - Headhunter - Recruit a random follower with a specific Trait, Ability or Role for 10 Material.
  • GarrSpecialization #9 - Blackrock Chef - Enables access to garrison cooking dailies.



Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Followers
Many of these may be test followers.
  • GarrFollower #15 - Orc Male - Draenei Male - Abilities: Mountain Goat
  • GarrFollower #16 - Goblin Female - Human Male - Abilities: Dragonbane, Leap of Faith
  • GarrFollower #18 - Blood Elf Female - Gnome Female - Abilities: Dragonbane, Leap of Faith, Health Grenade
  • GarrFollower #19 - Troll Male - Pandaren Male - Abilities: Orcbane, Explosions!, Human Shield
  • GarrFollower #20 - NPC 66430 - Great Chef Woo - Abilities: Orcbane, Mountain Goat, Yeti
  • GarrFollower #21 - NPC 78007 - Hansel Heavyhands - Abilities: Orcbane, Explosions!, Human Shield, Mountain Goat, Yeti, Dragonbane, Leap of Faith, Health Grenade
  • GarrFollower #6 - NPC 8664 - Highlord Bolvar Fordragon - Abilities: Orcbane, Human Shield
  • GarrFollower #7 - NPC 45675 - Rytama - Abilities: Explosions!, Mountain Goat, Dragonbane
  • GarrFollower #8 - NPC 13155 - Genn Greymane - Abilities: Yeti, Leap of Faith, Health Grenade

Follower Abilities
Many of these may be test abilities.
  • GarrAbility #10 - Leap of Faith - Move faster than the holy ghost.
  • GarrAbility #11 - Health Grenade - Bombs party with bandages.
  • GarrAbility #4 - Orcbane - Irks orcs named Bane.
  • GarrAbility #5 - Explosions! - Shrapnel everywhere!
  • GarrAbility #6 - Human Shield - Such blocking. Very WoW.
  • GarrAbility #7 - Mountain Goat - Combat bonus when fighting near precipices.
  • GarrAbility #8 - Yeti - Combat bonus in snow.
  • GarrAbility #9 - Dragonbane - Irritates dragons.



Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
PvE
Any indication of what a mythic roster looks like, role-wise? An inkling would sure help me go from 10-man to mythic.
2-3 tanks (mostly 2), 4-6 healers (mostly 5), ~13 DPS. (WatcherDev)

I'd say that an unwritten law is that if an encounter is designed for X healers, top guilds will X-1 heal at least
It may be nearly unavoidable at the very cutting edge. It's a problem when people are still underhealing months later. (WatcherDev)
When you're undergeared the first weeks, better to wipe 90% of the time to lacking heals than 100% of the time to lacking DPS (WatcherDev)

Do you consider the fact that most raids 'reset' Dark Shamans so they spawn outside the room a design mistake?
Not ideal; was a band-aid late in the PTR cycle for the fact that pulling them out to begin the pull was awkward. (WatcherDev)

WHY do you enable cross realm on heroic mode when there are still realm first on the table??
Realm Firsts aren't removed by this. You still need a guild group to achieve a realm first. (Celestalon)
But 3 people can get to our server and help kill garrosh and the guild get the realm first?
Yes, you could have 3 xrealm people help your 25man group kill Garrosh. That's still 22 players from the guild; they earn it. (Celestalon)
In my opinion that's not fair at all I have been fighting to get to the top guild... to some random people come and take it away
But that's the point; it wouldn't be some random people coming to take it away. They can't do that. (Celestalon)
Some people (and we have proff) are selling us the kill of garrosh with our accounts. Ofcourse we didn't accept it...
That's totally against our ToS, and we are staunchly against that. And, it's completely unrelated to this change. (Celestalon)
For a ToS clarification, what sort of kill/achievement sales go against it? (Obviously playing other accounts would).
I believe can answer that. I was just immediately responding to the "playing others' accounts" part, which is obvious (Celestalon)

Any eta on when heroic/normal no longer shares a lockout. AKA can we do both a normal and a heroic run in the same week?
The pre-Warlords patch 6.0. That's a much more fundamental change to how raids are structured. (WatcherDev)

Also, what would it do if the printed to file combat log saw EVERYTHING. Including things in other phases (like Norushen).
Working on getting the combat log to do exactly that - couple of issues to sort out but nothing insurmountable. (WatcherDev)

PvP
did you ever test 4v4 arena games? I feel 5v5 is too much of a zerg fest, curious about how 4v4 would feel...
2 healers 2 dps is not fun (holinka)
I was thinking of it as a 2heals+2dps and 1heal+3dps mix, kinda like 2s with heal+dps and double dps...
We could always enforce role compositions but that feels very heavy handed. Better when a meta emerges. (holinka)

Any plans on allowing Vicious Skeletal Warhorse (and other Vicious Saddle mounts) account-wide ?
Nope. They are character bound to encourage repeat accomplishment. (holinka)

do you think removing 2v2 could improve pool and focus of arenas more?
tricky question. I think it would improve 3v3 participation but reduce arena participation overall. (holinka)

Any chance to make cross-spec gearing for Hybrids easier? Currently you're stuck with one spec until the near end of season.
In warlords, the primary stat on gear changes based in your spec. Lots of info out there about it. (holinka)

Heartbleed Account Security Notice
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
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Hearthstone Adventure Mode - Curse of Naxxramas
Blizzard announced the first Adventure Mode for Hearthstone today at PAX, the Curse of Naxxramas! It brings 30 new cards, a new game board, and class specific challenges. The first wing is free, but the four after that must be purchased with gold or real currency.



Heroes of the Storm - New Heroes, Skins, And More!
Blizzard had an entire panel on Heroes at PAX, announcing four new heroes, many new skins, and some model updates.



OpenRaid - Challenge Mode Medal Mania
Our friends over at OpenRaid are helping everyone to get their challenge mode rewards before they disappear! This weekend finishes up Bronze week, which means that none of the events can require you to have any challenge mode experience. You can pick up a nice title and get ready for next week, when Silver runs begin!

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  1. Dawnseven's Avatar
    I can't recall and the vast list of garrison buildings made me wonder ... can you change your mind about certain buildings after they're built and replace them with something else? For example, if I decide on an enchanter's study and then later find that I've maxed the profession and stockpiled a whole bunch of mats, can I nuke it and change it to a trading post instead? (If so, I assume that if I nuke a higher tier building and replace it, the new building would go back to Tier 1.)
  1. Palmtree's Avatar
    So for all players with alts with different professions

    Log in main...do dailies

    Log in Nr 2 ...planting stuff, probably with some time consuming mechanic...and do some more dailies

    Log in Nr. 3 ..fish stuff up, travel somewhere (by groundmount)...and even more dailies...

    Log on Nr 4 etc...

    Ok ...now let's actually play the game...ohh wait my time is up..have to log out again.
    Saying it's optional is ok...so give us all followers at once, a big farm where you can do all your (alt)professions at once and do it,so it never takes more as 10-20-30 minutes...depending on how many professions you have.

    (and as these farms will be the new peronal cities where you never step out of make trade chat / bank and an AH available on it)
  1. Common Sense's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Palmtree View Post
    So for all players with alts with different professions

    Log in main...do dailies

    Log in Nr 2 ...planting stuff, probably with some time consuming mechanic...and do some more dailies

    Log in Nr. 3 ..fish stuff up, travel somewhere (by groundmount)...and even more dailies...

    Log on Nr 4 etc...

    Ok ...now let's actually play the game...ohh wait my time is up..have to log out again.
    Saying it's optional is ok...so give us all followers at once, a big farm where you can do all your (alt)professions at once and do it,so it never takes more as 10-20-30 minutes...depending on how many professions you have.

    (and as these farms will be the new peronal cities where you never step out of make trade chat / bank and an AH available on it)
    We haven't had dailies since 5.2. The content starting with 5.3 was real world event style, so I don't know where you're coming up with these complaints.
  1. Palmtree's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    We haven't had dailies since 5.2. The content starting with 5.3 was real world event style, so I don't know where you're coming up with these complaints.
    ^^ this will be the tillers in bigger format and yes you needed dailies for that to unlock the bigger soils, for the cooking and for the fishing.
    This will be the exact same thing for all professions that will come in this.
  1. bt4's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Moradim View Post
    selling challenge mode carries for money is apparently wrong

    but selling beta invites for money is ok

    nice logic, blizzard
    The logic is simple:
    Allowed is anything that earns blizz money. Anyone else making money is unwanted.
    That dindt change since the first cases in bc when addon creators got slammed with a TOS change as they were requesting donations for their huge effort...
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by medievalman1 View Post
    Star Trek: Online has a similar system of minion management. I'm sure many other games do too. Either way, ST:O's "mini-game?" of minion management is surprisingly addictive and a ton of fun-at least for me and pretty much anyone else I talked with.

    And perhaps I missed something, but I don't recall seeing anything that says garrisons will replace our "need" to quest, obtain competitive gear, or raid.
    I can agree with this. I have never played Star Trek, but I have played other games with ´follower mission´ type gameplay and it is addicting as hell. None of them had 7-day raid missions and stuff like that though... in most of them, the longest missions take 18 hours or so. It will be cool to have an army in a garrison and have them all going out on different missions and then getting reports of how they did.

    People who say they hate the idea now will be begging for an app to get their reports next year at this time.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by jellmoo View Post
    Don't suppose you have a link to that? I don't recall hearing anything definitive, and the more I read about garrisons the more I get the impression that they will be required.
    I think they are going to be very integrated with your questing and leveling. But I think it is IMPOSSIBLE that they will be required for raiding or give any benefit to raiders... but then again, people cried that dailies were required to raid despite the fact that most people had raids cleared before they could even buy a single piece of gear with valor.

    OMG.. you can get herbs from your garrison, I need herbs to make potions when I raid.. therefore ´garrisons are mandatory to raid´.. that type of crap will happen, just like it did with every expansion before it. The fake hardcore raiders will cry about ANY aspect of the game that isn´t raiding and find some weak reason to complain about it. Meanwhile, the real raiders will be killing bosses without even touching garrisons.

    But in the end, Raiding is a PART of this game, you can´t just cry about every other part of the game if it happens to impact raiding.
  1. Moradim's Avatar
    as long as garrisons arent required for raid performance benefits, im ok with them.

    the second they yield DPS increases...it becomes mandatory. perks good, forcing us to do it bad.
  1. Dawnseven's Avatar
    I'm not understanding the complaints either. Planting, dailies, etc. aren't mandatory, nor are followers. If you'd rather run dungeons and whatot on your own you're welcome to do so, just like you can go out and farm rather than plant herbs or cooking mats or whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Palmtree View Post
    Saying it's optional is ok...so give us all followers at once, a big farm where you can do all your (alt)professions at once and do it,so it never takes more as 10-20-30 minutes...depending on how many professions you have.
    I had to chuckle at this because I'm a very casual player. For years I've had to listen to people bash "bads" and "casuals" because they want "welfare epics" and gear upgrades when they don't have time to raid, etc. So to see someone say they want all followers at once and a big farm and professions buildings without having to spend more than a few minutes a day is amusing. It should either be worth the effort or not, and if it isn't worth it to you then don't do it and spend your time on things that are. Most of us don't have unlimited play time. Don't say you don't want to invest any time, but you want all the benefits.
  1. CasCrow's Avatar
    Garrisons are gonna be so great And yes i'm being sincere.
    /16alts
  1. Silver-Fox's Avatar
    Got my beta key at PAX! There were a number of booths that rewarded people for waiting in line after playing their games with beta keys, swag and other cool stuff. Personally the beta key takes the top spot since I didn't expect it all after waiting for an hour or so to play Warlords of Draenor.
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mykro9 View Post
    There, I fixed that for you.

    But seriously, I am scared of how cool yet limited one character's garrison will be. I am a HUGE altoholic, and to think I spend over an hour just on the farm for all my toons each day harvesting ore and cloth and motes, I DREAD how much of a time sink garrisons will be across multiple toons.
    Considering how alt-unfriendly MoP has been (despite the rep commendations), I wouldn't get my hopes up. =/
  1. Lone Survivor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MattyP View Post
    "GarrSpecialization #3 - Mount Trader - A rare mount trader has taken up shop at your garrison stables building."

    O_O Mount trader? RARE mount trader?!
    Yeah, now THIS has me excited. As i am a huge mount person with 130+ mounts (Not a lot but quite a few are rare) i am extremely stoked for this. I really want to hear more about this as it is bugging me.

    HOWEVER, i have one issue. I am one of those people pretty bad at making gold. Are these prices just placeholders or are we looking at spending THIS much gold just to have a garrison. If so then it will be definitely out of my gold budget and also make me disappointed. Hopefully, blizzard will make it some sort of WoD currency to buy the buildings/upgrades for them. I'd much prefer something like that. 10k Gold is just too damn much to upgrade/buy something/

    So far things are looking great just the garrison prices are bothering me a bit but hopefully their just placeholders.
  1. ColbaneX's Avatar
    If this is the only thing they unveil this weekend I'm going to be severely disappointed(only slightly interested in Garrisons)
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alayea View Post
    Considering how alt-unfriendly MoP has been (despite the rep commendations), I wouldn't get my hopes up. =/
    LOL, what??? did you play 1 week of MOP only?

    How about Timeless island gear? How about the legendary cloak giving your alts access to Ordos? How about warbands dropping rep tokens? How about the massive amount of BOE blue drops with crazy high ilvls. My freakin warrior STARTED questing in Jade Forest duel-wielding 463 weapons and had an ilvl over 420 STARTING at lvl 85 all from my main. How is that not alt-friendly?

    It is like 5.0 all over again. People who were too stupid to be efficient and too stupid to do some basic math and realize that there was no need to grind reputations because you didn´t have enough VP to buy anything anyway. Now you have stupid comments about ´not alt friendly´ because what? my alt tailor had to wait a few months to make a bag? yes yes.. the entire expansion was alt unfriendly because I wasn´t able to make the new bag pattern on the second day of the expansion.

    I mean seriously, you want to have all your reps and gear just be completely shared with all 11 of your alts?
  1. ColbaneX's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    LOL, what??? did you play 1 week of MOP only?

    How about Timeless island gear? How about the legendary cloak giving your alts access to Ordos? How about warbands dropping rep tokens? How about the massive amount of BOE blue drops with crazy high ilvls. My freakin warrior STARTED questing in Jade Forest duel-wielding 463 weapons and had an ilvl over 420 STARTING at lvl 85 all from my main. How is that not alt-friendly?

    It is like 5.0 all over again. People who were too stupid to be efficient and too stupid to do some basic math and realize that there was no need to grind reputations because you didn´t have enough VP to buy anything anyway. Now you have stupid comments about ´not alt friendly´ because what? my alt tailor had to wait a few months to make a bag? yes yes.. the entire expansion was alt unfriendly because I wasn´t able to make the new bag pattern on the second day of the expansion.

    I mean seriously, you want to have all your reps and gear just be completely shared with all 11 of your alts?
    Wrong. MoP HAS been alt unfriendly, and 5.4 IS alt friendly because of this. That is fact.
  1. Bawk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    LOL, what??? did you play 1 week of MOP only?

    How about Timeless island gear? How about the legendary cloak giving your alts access to Ordos? How about warbands dropping rep tokens? How about the massive amount of BOE blue drops with crazy high ilvls. My freakin warrior STARTED questing in Jade Forest duel-wielding 463 weapons and had an ilvl over 420 STARTING at lvl 85 all from my main. How is that not alt-friendly?

    It is like 5.0 all over again. People who were too stupid to be efficient and too stupid to do some basic math and realize that there was no need to grind reputations because you didn´t have enough VP to buy anything anyway. Now you have stupid comments about ´not alt friendly´ because what? my alt tailor had to wait a few months to make a bag? yes yes.. the entire expansion was alt unfriendly because I wasn´t able to make the new bag pattern on the second day of the expansion.

    I mean seriously, you want to have all your reps and gear just be completely shared with all 11 of your alts?
    The entirety of MoP has been very unfriendly for alts.
    The fact that I NEED a cloak on my alts to do anything beyond Normal modes is a total load of garbage, imo.
    I have the cloak/meta on my 14/14H 578 main and my 565 alt but, I also have a few alts using my Heroic BoA weapons and they're in the 540s-550s range and without a cloak their damage/healing suffers. It's pretty taxing and irritating to think I have to spend even more months wasting my time in old LFR content to get the items needed for another cloak.

    I don't care about rep and I rarely visit the timeless isle on any toons (beyond opening chests once per week and bosses) so what is there really left to offer my alts besides wasting my time on the cloak quest.
  1. Physsia's Avatar
    Absolutely love the designs for the Garrisons! Can't wait!
  1. Mellrod's Avatar
    ^^ this will be the tillers in bigger format and yes you needed dailies for that to unlock the bigger soils, for the cooking and for the fishing.
    This will be the exact same thing for all professions that will come in this.
    They announced at Blizzcon that endgame content wouldn't have any dailies. You can get Garrisons early on but the features make it lean more towards endgame content. So no, there shouldn't be any dailies in Garrisons. Idk where you're complaints are coming from. If there are garrison dailies, i'm sure it'll be datamined even though that seems like something that would've already been mined.

    Anyways, i think a really cool feature about this was something that was discussed in an interview on Wowhead. They mentioned it in the brief summary:

    your Garrison can be attacked by NPCs, and you get rewards for defending it
    . I know people were asking for something like that with PvP (sounds like it'd bring up alot of problems imo) but i think NPCs are the next best thing to that. Sounds pretty cool to defend your base.

    I just wonder if you get loot from the NPCs, and since Garrisons have offline progression, then i would be kinda worried about my Garrison getting attacked while im offline.


    The entirety of MoP has been very unfriendly for alts.
    The fact that I NEED a cloak on my alts to do anything beyond Normal modes is a total load of garbage, imo.
    I have the cloak/meta on my 14/14H 578 main and my 565 alt but, I also have a few alts using my Heroic BoA weapons and they're in the 540s-550s range and without a cloak their damage/healing suffers. It's pretty taxing and irritating to think I have to spend even more months wasting my time in old LFR content to get the items needed for another cloak.

    I don't care about rep and I rarely visit the timeless isle on any toons (beyond opening chests once per week and bosses) so what is there really left to offer my alts besides wasting my time on the cloak quest.
    That's not true. Not sure where you heard the cloak being a requirement for normal modes from. Only thing the cloak gets you access to is a world boss on the timeless isle (which you rarely visit to begin with). The entirety of MoP has been alt friendly. Everything from the Tiller's farm to Battlefield: Barrens and Timeless Isle. Not only with gearing and proffessions, but there are tons of items to help your reputation on alts. Alot of your complaints seem to be issues specific to you and not anyone else since it is easy to get geared up for SoO just by Timeless Isle and LFR alone. I've done so on my hunter. MoP is alt-friendly in alot of aspects.
  1. kamuimac's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Moradim View Post
    as long as garrisons arent required for raid performance benefits, im ok with them.

    the second they yield DPS increases...it becomes mandatory. perks good, forcing us to do it bad.
    this so much this 100% this.
  1. Damax's Avatar
    I absolutely fail to see what's fun about garrison... its just like the mop farm: you do it cause it grants gold/mats not because you want to (its not fun)

    I'm sorry but managing minion is not fun specially not in this manner. Every game that had minion managing is a fire and forget till you get loots and is boring. If I wanted to manage stuff I'd play sim city or the likes. And its not like pet battles; pet battles are crappy but not mandatory. Garrison will be mandatory because the whole expansion is about it.

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