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Warlords of Draenor - Build 18156 Minimap
The new build made some significant changes to the Draenor's minimap. You can find the previous version of the map here.



Mists of Pandaria - All Character Achievements Complete
It appears that Хируко of Razuvious-EU has managed to complete all of the regular character achievements, along with 205 of the ~340 Feats of Strength.

According to him, Realm First of every class on the same day by transferring to a low population PvP realm and multiboxing while his guild killed anyone trying to level before him.



Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
One thing that confuses me is all the +20% damage increases. Surely damage increases are meaningless due to balancing?
Some of them are transformative. Some are just something to make dinging 93 a bit cooler. (WatcherDev)

So why are the Draenor perks random order? It's unbalanced and lacking customization, what's the pro?
It's a reward for leveling, not character customization. With choice, people can become paralyzed about what's 'right'. (Celestalon)

Will there be new glyphs?
Yes. Currently about 80, give or take. (Celestalon)

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
For Unholy Death Knights You are knocking down the Unholy Might cause of better secondaries any chance at a deeper explanation?
That's heavily tied to our damage balancing pass, which hasn't started yet. (Celestalon)

Is the goal with AMS soaking to only allow a maximum of 100 RP to be possible from a fully absorbed shell? Big nerf to soaking.
Yes, intentionally. (Celestalon)
Is the rationale because you'd like to reduce GCD locking by DKs, or because you don't like balancing us around AMS soaking?
Both. (Celestalon)

Druid (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
Why aren't balance druids bringing CoE? looks like they get fewest buffs/debuffs w/ motw and spell haste
They bring Haste, Stats, and Physical Damage Vulnerability. (Celestalon)

Why is starfall hitting more targets? stars are capped at 20? why ever use insect swarm? does it a insane amount of dmg?
Stars are capped at 30 with that. Insect Swarm accelerates your rotation, and does a lot of damage. (Celestalon)

Insect Swarm could be made spellstorm damage as well.
Since it's only cast outside of Eclipse, it doesn't actually matter to gameplay, just matters for kit. (Celestalon)

Does the Balance version of DoC give you a Starsurge from hitting Eclipse or casting the instant Healing Touch?
Casting the instant HT. (Celestalon)

So Dream of Cenarius talent is just +20% Healing Touch? Seems pretty lackluster honestly
It's not intended to be a DPS gain anymore. It's for better off-role ability. (Celestalon)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
Hunter's Distracting Shot removed, possible to see it as a minor glyph? I'd be very sad to see the clutch plays go ;_;
Raised the range of Growl so that you can use it in that way, for the majority of cases. (Celestalon)

Losing Widow Venom while other classes are keeping their MS debuffs- is the effect going to be baked into another ability?
Pets (including non-exotics) can apply it. (Celestalon)

why no Execute mechanic for Surv hunters, not Kill shot, but smthg else? 1 extra charge of "LnL" from BA when target below 30%?
Not every spec needs to have an execute. In fact it's a pro that you have an option that doesn't. (Celestalon)

Mage (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
.Is the idea with the redesigned Frost Bomb that we cast it only when we have FOF charges?
Yes. May not be mentioned in the patch notes but it only triggers from FoF'd Ice Lances. (Tried all crits early in testing, was OP) (Celestalon)
So Basically, pattern is now FOF proc -> Frost Bomb (if you have the talent) -> Ice Lance -> Ice Lance
And it lasts 12sec, so keep using FoF procs while it's up, yeah. For min/maxing, you can leave FBomb down, and pool FoFs. (Celestalon)

If Incanter's Flow is on average 15% increased damage, why would I want to spec into Rune of Power?
Valid point; just haven't tune a precise tuning pass yet. (Celestalon)

Could Nether Tempest have a chance to generate arcane charges? Increased cast time on blast looks like a pain for PvP.
See Perks. It becomes faster with charges. (Celestalon)
NT multi dotting was way to proc missiles, hence charges in PvP, now NT 1 target only = less procs, less charges.
Only the most recent NT ever proc'd missiles. Your multidotting wasn't giving you any additional AM procs. (Celestalon)

Brain Freeze has to make FFB instant cast or the spec will be ruined IMO.
Frost's rotation was overwhelmingly instants, which caused numerous problems. Turning one of them into a cast time may feel... (Celestalon)
...like a nerf, but actually is better in the end. Encounters demand less movement, casting can be a thing in PvP, Haste valued. (Celestalon)

Monk (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
So will eminence still be tied to a crappy range and statue?
Yes, but that's good for you, you can use it to your advantage. (Celestalon)

Why Clash? Dealing with casters will suck so much without it. It's one of the more fun BrM tanking abilities.
We cut Clash because it was redundant with their other stuns and Roll. We'd rather you Roll more (see Draenor Perks). (Celestalon)

Last Q/comment, and least. RE: Mistweaver: why no chi gen from SoM and CJL now?Don't understand the intent
Several reasons. Biggest is to fix mana for Mistweavers. Now, more mana = more chi gen, by a significant degree = more chi ... (Celestalon)
...spenders. That means spirit increases all parts of your healing, which is a good thing. (Celestalon)
You can get some baseline amount of Chi from cheap sources (ReM, EH), still, so you won't be chi-starved. (Celestalon)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
Will holy pally still be just absorb healing like currently ? and disc priest aegis. with the nerfs hope this is nerfed
No, we're aiming to significantly tone down how much of Healadin throughput is absorption. We'll balance Disc and Healadin power. (Celestalon)

Retribution's passive perks are a bit passive, mostly just damage increases. Any chance we can see more interesting effects...
We tried to strike a good balance of interesting vs simple, but I agree, Ret is more on the simple side. (Celestalon)
.Commonly, we used the Draenor Perks as a place to make tweaks to rotations that we wanted to make anyway. Better to... (Celestalon)
....ease into those rotational changes that way. In some cases, such as Ret, we were happy with their rotation as is. (Celestalon)

Will seal of insight still provide 10% spell haste?
No; Seal of Insight no longer provides any haste, but a Holy passive (don't recall which one offhand) does instead. (Celestalon)
(Reason being that we are only doing full Haste, not Melee Haste or Spell Haste anymore, but only want Holy to benefit from it) (Celestalon)
And will haste work the same for all classes now or still no haste for melee dots?
Still no haste for melee DoTs because they're not spells, you get increased resources from haste instead. (Celestalon)
Will that include the haste buff now that its nerfed to 5%?
Yes. The 10% Attack Speed raid buff has been replaced with 5% Haste. (Celestalon)

If seraphim depletes all the runic power we have, how will we build up enough to get a Verdict or SoR off before it expires?
It's long enough that you'll be able to. Don't forget Haste! (Celestalon)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
Combat FoK bonus seems underwhelming compared to Sub/Mut. Chance of changing it?
They have Blade Flurry on top of that. (Celestalon)

interested in the thoughts behind fist/swords being able to be used for dispatch and daggers for sinister strikes? No compliants
Intended to be 'okay' to use in case you are over a tier behind on the optimal weapons, but not optimal. (Celestalon)

Hey. Hey you. Hey. I don't see several key major rogue glyphs in the auto-learn list.
Auto-learn glyphs were chosen based on usefulness while leveling. (Celestalon)

Read as back front and 2 sides.so no back stabbing from the front. which makes a certain sort of sense
Backstab is usable from the left, right, and back. Not the front. So 270degree usability radius. (Celestalon)
On the topic of Rogues: woo for making Assa viable with other weapons than daggers! Awesome!
Kind of. It's *possible*, but not *optimal* to play Assassination with non-daggers. (Celestalon)

With Mind-Numbing and Paralytic gone, can we rogues have another poison? So there's, y'know, a choice?
We're considering the limited poison situation. Instant Poison does work for Venom Zest at least, BTW. (Celestalon)
So again why is it a conditional worse version of a level 45 Monk talent as our ultimate mega one?
Because different classes are different. They're weaker than you are without it. We balance the... (Celestalon)
...power of characters *with* talents. Talents don't need to be balanced cross-class. (Celestalon)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
No mention of Earth Shield in the patch notes. Surely you are scrapping that, it's such a pain with multiple Shamans!
Multiple Earth Shields can stack, not a pain. (Celestalon)
So you are changing Earth Shield so 2 can be on the same target at a time finally?
Yes. (Celestalon)

No Healing Tide Totem and no Unleashed Lightning. Can we expect elemental shamans single target to be bought significantly up?
Yes. (Celestalon)

Is the ULE-Healing Rain buff being built into the baseline spell, or is HR just effectively getting nerfed 30% from that change?
Do you not think Healing Rain needs a nerf, compared to live? (Celestalon)

Also Unleash Weapon was listed in mobility damage skills. But Unleash Fire/Frost/Wind no longer deal damage so uh... wat?
They don't *directly* do damage, but they are a significant net damage gain. (Celestalon)

Any chance elemental could retain moving lightning bolt? Would be good to know now if I need to reroll for WoD Progression.
You don't need to reroll. Elemental will be balanced around that change. Yes, we know it's a huge change. Sky isn't falling. (Celestalon)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
Have there been any changes to the planned non-interaction between GoSacrifice and Demonic Servitude?
Planning to indeed make it a bad idea to Sacrifice your Big Demon. However, we're working on new abilities for the Doomguard/Infer. (Celestalon)

Just read that Drain Soul is being removed from warlocks, but no mention of how Soul Shards will be replenished. Clarify?
Nightfall. (And there's a Draenor Perk that increases Nightfall rate) (Celestalon)

Warrior (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
The way that Gladiator Stance and the talent is worded, it seems like prot warriors who take it will still be able to tank
We did that so that tanks still have 3 talent choices when tanking. If you goto Gladiator Stance, you can no longer tank. (Celestalon)
If you take the Gladiator Stance talent, you can still tank, with 5% extra DR, but none of the offensive benefits. (Celestalon)
Correction: When you take the Gladiator's RESOLVE talent, you get 5% DR in Def Stance, for tanking, and the OPTION to... (Celestalon)
...switch to the Gladiator STANCE to become a DPS, and NOT a Tank. (Celestalon)
Doesn't that lead to tanks going Gladiator Stance when not their turn to get hit, swap back in when their turn?
Can't swap into or out of Gladiator Stance in combat. (Celestalon)

With warrior shouts no longer generating rage, it appears the only way to start a fight with rage is Charge. Is that accurate? @Celestalon
Yes. Charge in to start with Rage. (Celestalon)

Will the Warrior Haste bonus modifier remain, and how will Headlong Rush scale haste with CD/GCD? 50% Haste = 50% reduction?
No, the +50% haste from gear buff on warriors will be removed. Scales just like everyone else. 25% Haste = 1/1.25 = 80% GCDs. (Celestalon)

is gladiator locked out of unwavering sentinel and bastion of defense. also is block being removed or reduced in glad?
Unwavering Sentinel is Defensive Stance only. If you still find that you're able to tank in Gladiator stance, we'll adjust. (Celestalon)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
The current SSD prices are stable, with all SSDs under $1 per gigabyte when on sale.

The Haswell CPUs run a little bit on the warmer side. Depending on how much you want to overclock, you may need to spend a bit more for a better CPU cooler like the NH-D14.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 4770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in Folding@home, take a look in our team's thread.


Peripherals/Monitors
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorASUS VS228H-P 22-Inch Monitor - $120ASUS VS248H-P 24-Inch Monitor - $160
KeyboardKensington Pro Fit Media Keyboard - $16Cyborg V.5 - $45
MouseLogitech G400s - $45Razer DeathAdder 2013 - $52
SpeakersCreative A250 2.1 Speaker System - $30Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $37
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorDell P2414H Monitor - $220HP ZR2440W 24-inch - $312
KeyboardLogitech G510s - $80CM Storm QuickFire XT - $95
MouseLogitech G500s - $50Razer Naga 2014 - $68
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $50Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $77


Puppy and Dolphin
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Puppy and Dolphin.
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT Source 210 - $40NZXT Source 210 - $40
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $57EVGA 600B - $50
CPUAMD FX-6300 - $110AMD FX-8320 - $152
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $33Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $33
MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2.0 - $89ASUS M5A99FX PRO - $116
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $428GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $83
Graphics CardGigabyte R7 260X - $114MSI R9 270 or GTX 660 - $185 / $190
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $53Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $81
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23
Total$561$763 - $768


Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $60Corsair Air 540 (Special Layout) - $120
Power SupplyRosewill Capstone 550W - $87Rosewill Fortress 750W - $130
CPUIntel i5-4670K - $210Intel i5-4670K - $210
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $64Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $75
MotherboardASUS Z87-A - $140ASUS Z87-A - $140
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $8316GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $164
Graphics CardGigabyte GTX 760 OR Gigabyte R9 270X - $260 / $230XFX R9 280X OR ASUS GTX770 - $310
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $81Western Digital 2TB Caviar Black - $147
SSDSAMSUNG 840 EVO 128GB (Review) - $81
OR
SanDisk Extreme II 120GB (Review) - $90
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (Review) - $130
OR
SAMSUNG 840 Pro 128GB (Review) - $120
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23
Total$1059 - $1138$1400 - $1449
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Comments 155 Comments
  1. Xeroz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellrod View Post
    All though it's unlikely since it doesn't go against the ToA (to my knowledge), I really hope that guy get's banned. Possibly for harassing other players. Or all those achievements are "unfairly" taken from him by Blizz just as he unfairly took it from everyone else. I bet he's some pasty basement nerd irl, and im sure alot of people would love to beat him up right now. Never thought i'd stoop as low as personal insults, but sometimes getting in the mud makes you feel better.

    The guy posted a thread about it here on MMO too: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...2#post26580052
    There´s nothing wrong with what he was doing. Why would he get banned for any of it ? If you dont want to be owned in pvp , dont join a pvp server. Its quite simple really. there´s no "unfair" in that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukki View Post
    Got it, so he's a cheating piece of garbage.
    There´s no cheating in that what so ever. non of the stuff he did was against any of blizz rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukki View Post
    You are 100% correct. He shouldn't be honored on the front page, he should be shamed for being a scumbag who had to cheat to get realm first. He's lower than garbage, and I hope everyone remember that he's subhuman filth.

    Come on MMOC, you're better than posting about human garbage.
    Again how is this cheating in any way. IF you dont like being killed dont join a damn pvp server. Really i dont see the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikashuri View Post
    Blizzard doesn't care about griefing on PvP realms, they even flat out cancel all tickets regarding that on pvp realms.
    Because its not griefing. pvp is pvp , if you cant handle that then dont go to a pvp server. Even if its on the start of a new exp, its still pvp.
  1. billielecter's Avatar
    Since when some people use Blizzard rules to overrun morality? It seems like there is a bunch of people here who are really more shameful of being Human rather than beasts. Is one confessing oneself a degenerated and low creature a very enjoyable thing? or some people just regret that they were not born as animals so they could be totally free from guilt. What a strange thing to behold when someone shouts out loudly "I don't have morality, I am so proud of that!"
  1. FlacidGladiator's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by chaud View Post
    Mists of Pandaria - All Character Achievements Complete
    It appears that Хируко of Razuvious-EU has managed to complete all of the regular character achievements, along with 205 of the ~340 Feats of Strength.
    ]
    Yeah, thats kinda a sucky way to game the system and frankly unworthy of MMO-Champion of featuring such a scurrilous and dubious achievement by anyone. They essentially screwed over everyone on the realm unfortunate enough to be there while they tried to level up. This was not done as an individual effort involving skill and cunning but purely zerging a zone with toons and ganking them en mass for the purposes of strong-arming an achievement. Its wrong and its even more wrong for this site to highlight their thuggery. Shame on you, MMO-champion.
  1. NigelGurney's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by prankstar View Post
    blizzard will never call it cheating for 1 reason and that is they will make money from it
    Sadly this is so true.
  1. jellmoo's Avatar
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    On the topic of Rogues: woo for making Assa viable with other weapons than daggers! Awesome!
    Kind of. It's *possible*, but not *optimal* to play Assassination with non-daggers. (Celestalon)
    What exactly is the point of this? Either allow something or don't. Making it a sub-optimal option doesn't accomplish anything. Nobody will use it, and players that dow will almost certainly get kicked for doing so. Either make it a viable option, or don't implement it. A half-assed option is terrible.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Any chance elemental could retain moving lightning bolt? Would be good to know now if I need to reroll for WoD Progression.
    You don't need to reroll. Elemental will be balanced around that change. Yes, we know it's a huge change. Sky isn't falling. (Celestalon)
    And yet it remains a change not made because of a balance issue, and is not a net positive for fun. So then, why? Why are Ele Shamans apparently meant to be immobile turrets? Why do other class/specs have viable options that are spammable/near spammable for high mobility fights, but the one Ele option is being taken away?
  1. Rolly's Avatar
    With choice, people can become paralyzed about what's 'right'. (Celestalon)

    /facepalm

    We want people to have interesting choices that's why we're changing the talent trees. MOP mantra

    Choice bad, simple good, people not us stupid WOD mantra
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    He also admitted in the thread he started that he got his arena titles and pvp achievements ´the russian way´ which means win-trading. He also did a lot of faction changing and account mergers to pull it off. It is still an amazing logistical challenge that probably cost him a lot of money. But it is wrong to think he actually got that stuff all on his own characters just by playing the game. I mean think about it, and entire guild did a realm transfer JUST so he could get some server firsts. You really think he didn´t buy a low level alt from some guy who had most of the difficult achieves, and then on top of it the ´russian way´ with pvp achievments.. not hard to get the pvp stuff if you have the other team on your vent cooperating with you.
  1. Frolk's Avatar
    "while his guild killed anyone trying to level before him." So deliciously evil, i love it
    Lol at all the butthurt comments, dont try an deny that u wouldt do the same, so keep quite
    Also, pvp server, pvp happend on pvp server, big deal
  1. seebs's Avatar
    when has any realm first max level character done it purely solo and on his own, without some sort of help from other people. the butthurt is strong with this one.

    though, how did he loot his Tier3 all at once (as of this post, 9 hours ago)
  1. kenny447's Avatar
    Sporting Tier 3. Why not just xmog it. Makes it clear it's fake lol. All un-enchanted and no ring.
  1. RoWR's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zerogoose View Post
    I have to wonder why even make that a front page thing.
    It just validates that kind of dickish bevahiour.
    I agree.

    I think one reason this gets so much press is everyone can say, well maybe I play a bit too much but at least I'm not as bad as THAT guy!

    Speaking of which... my wow addiction... NOT AS BAD AS I ASSUMED.
  1. RickJamesLich's Avatar
    People are "paralyzed" when they are given options over what talents to pick? That doesn't make any sense lol. It's actually the opposite if you think about it. If they are upset about people just picking the good talents first, I think it's safe to say most wow players don't go to forums of any kind to see what the best options are, so the point is moot. Beyond that, it's not like leveling is hard to do in the first place, so the point is double moot.

    Eliminating customization and making the classes so similar is more of a problem I think then giving out options to pick the talents you like, even if a lot of people go for one talent more than others.
  1. Karnak's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ihyln View Post
    Because we were already sold this "from the ground up" garbage with cata and here we are again two years later. Blizzard hypes idiots like you up and you just spew their lines.
    I never saw any claims like that pertaining to Cataclysm. You're making stuff up to justify your anger and ignorance.
  1. Mukki's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Frolk View Post
    "while his guild killed anyone trying to level before him." So deliciously evil, i love it
    Lol at all the butthurt comments, dont try an deny that u wouldt do the same, so keep quite
    Also, pvp server, pvp happend on pvp server, big deal
    You can defend your sad little hero all you want, but it's still cheating. Look up what the word exploitation means.
  1. Implacable's Avatar
    the day the servers go offline.. that guy is going to feel very miserable
  1. Summerdrake's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellrod View Post
    All though it's unlikely since it doesn't go against the ToA (to my knowledge), I really hope that guy get's banned. Possibly for harassing other players. Or all those achievements are "unfairly" taken from him by Blizz just as he unfairly took it from everyone else. I bet he's some pasty basement nerd irl, and im sure alot of people would love to beat him up right now. Never thought i'd stoop as low as personal insults, but sometimes getting in the mud makes you feel better.

    The guy posted a thread about it here on MMO too: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...2#post26580052
    Threats, really?

    Quote Originally Posted by jna View Post
    wow.. While so many ppl have been talking about the impact of toxic behavior to the game. We see a crazy guy with his fake realm first..

    And he is Russian, ofc.. lol.. Man why Russians love to exploit/cheat everything they can in games? o.O
    I'd say your behavior is toxic, not to mention, racist.

    Quote Originally Posted by BeerWolf View Post
    Watch it guys - Russian Mafia wannabe here!

    Rofl - what a sad loser.
    You mention mafia n some nerd in the same post, relevant how?

    Quote Originally Posted by warcraftmew View Post
    why ami not suprised that its a russian who has all these and mmo champion shouldnt be praising him cos multiboxing is effectivly cheating, and we all know on the EU side atleast of wow what russians do in PVP they bot and cheat, please remove it from the front page and stop gloryfying cheaters
    Not racist in the slightest, you take one guy n blame a whole country. And how is multi-boxing cheating? Blizzard said it's fine, but I guess it's different when a Russian does it.

    Ofc the Mods, like usual, will do absolutely nothing about these posts, had it been directed against USA if the nerd was American, the Mods would have been fast with the ban hammers.

    Quote Originally Posted by warcraftmew View Post
    well how come as soon as russians joined the EU servers which is stupid cos russia isnt part of the EU, there has been numerous people complaining about them il link you an offcial thread and most people think like me i dnt say the cheat and bot to be hurtful its a known bloody fact they cheat ofc other people from other countrys do aswell but russians are notorious for it.

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8965477907
    EU = Europe, not European Union, when it comes to servers, understand the difference, there's other non-EU countries participating, like Norway.

    If this website was an official website, you would have been banned, with the racists garbage you continue to spew, but seeing it as it's not n the mods are just some random people n they happen to be anti-Russia themselves, your comments will in no way get you in any sort of trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne25uk View Post
    So bullying and griefing is acceptable now aslong as you're russian? Me thinks Russia needs to be knocked down a peg or two on this imaginery "Untouchable" list.
    Bullying and griefing isn't this whole thread? And how is "bullying and griefing" on a pvp realm? Especially after latest patch Timeless Isle that is all about griefing, never seen so much griefing since the game came out...perspective much?

    As for him being a no-lifer, so you guys r mad that a 'no-lifer' won an achiev from other 'no-lifers'? How does that make any sense? Either you care, or you don't, if you do, you are no-lifers too, only that guy does it much much better.

    One has to be suspicious why mmo-champion brought up how he got his realm first achievs, not like they wouldn't expect flaming.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mukki View Post
    You can defend your sad little hero all you want, but it's still cheating. Look up what the word exploitation means.
    PvP is exploitation now on a pvp realm? Wow!

    I couldn't care less about that achiev-nerd, but I have trouble deciding what is most sad, what he did or people responding so negatively to it.
  1. KurenaiXIII's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jellmoo View Post
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    On the topic of Rogues: woo for making Assa viable with other weapons than daggers! Awesome!
    Kind of. It's *possible*, but not *optimal* to play Assassination with non-daggers. (Celestalon)
    What exactly is the point of this? Either allow something or don't. Making it a sub-optimal option doesn't accomplish anything. Nobody will use it, and players that dow will almost certainly get kicked for doing so. Either make it a viable option, or don't implement it. A half-assed option is terrible.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Any chance elemental could retain moving lightning bolt? Would be good to know now if I need to reroll for WoD Progression.
    You don't need to reroll. Elemental will be balanced around that change. Yes, we know it's a huge change. Sky isn't falling. (Celestalon)
    And yet it remains a change not made because of a balance issue, and is not a net positive for fun. So then, why? Why are Ele Shamans apparently meant to be immobile turrets? Why do other class/specs have viable options that are spammable/near spammable for high mobility fights, but the one Ele option is being taken away?
    Iiiiiiiiiiiii'm sorry, are you whining about being an 'immobile turret'? Spriests would like to talk to you. And arcane mages.

    All you elemental shamans need to suck it up and learn how to stand and cast. ;P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Well, there's at least a bit more mushrooms, though nowhere near enough. Hopefully they'll make at least Nagrand and Gorgond mushroom zones with different themes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kryos View Post
    Are you a smurf?
    Excuse me? Mushrooms? In Nagrand?

    There aren't supposed to be mushrooms in Nagrand, it's the one zone in Outlands that was largely un-touched by the evil Gul'dan's warlocks ruined life on Draenor. That's why the Orcs had to leave Draenor, the world was dying, except for Nagrand.

    Last time I checked, there weren't any Mushrooms.


    Looks like huge spheres, too big to be mushrooms, reminds me more of the Consortium domes http://www.wowwiki.com/Consortium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Implacable View Post
    the day the servers go offline.. that guy is going to feel very miserable
    It wasn't an exploitation. If you can prove he used a third party program to have his characters all cast spells at the same time in response to his current character casting, then that would be an offense against the ToS. But Blizzard has routinely defended and allowed multi-accounts and multi-boxing. Is what he did absolutely scummy? Certainly - and anyone who thinks it was great or fun or cool is also a scumbag (look at their inability to type or form a proper sentence and you can guess their age range and the kinds of games the favor (fps's anyone?) They're a lower class of human being, and they're prevalent on the net and in any type of online, multiplayer game.

    And look at the language the character is spelling their name with and tell me if you think that individual and his peers have even the same level of comprehension of "morality" as everyone on here who finds him deplorable. Different part of the world, different values (it's why they live in a shit hole and the rest of us get to have it a bit nicer, play nice and others will play nice with you). Neither here nor there, I do have to applaud him and his friends for their commitment to help him earn such a comprehensive slew of achievements. But please bear in mind that Realm Firsts don't mean anything, and they're not going to be around anymore (they encourage the worst kind of behavior during the start of a new expansion), so put it in perspective; it's a game after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurenaiXIII View Post
    Iiiiiiiiiiiii'm sorry, are you whining about being an 'immobile turret'? Spriests would like to talk to you. And arcane mages.

    All you elemental shamans need to suck it up and learn how to stand and cast. ;P
    I agree completely when it comes to Spriests. They have the same issue (amongst others). Less certain about Arcane Mages though. I think they have a few more options, but I don't play one, so I really can't say.

    We've stood and cast before. Then we were taken to the promised land. Where we no longer had to stick to our spot, and had some mobility given to us. It was amazingly fun! And now it's been taken away for no real reason. I honestly believe that any changes need to be measured against two things. 1) Balance. 2) Fun. Since it's not a balance issue (it had very little impact on our DPS) but it provided us with a fun perk, then there is an issue with this decision.

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