MMO-Champion - New Fiery Mechanical Mount Coming Soon, Flying in Warlords of Draenor
New Fiery Mechanical Mount - Coming Soon
Blizzard posted a preview of an upcoming mount on their social media accounts this afternoon.

"Fiery mechanical steeds are best when they can be used with friends."



Warlords of Draenor Alpha - Build 18179 Sword
There was one weapon model which didn't make it into the notes yesterday. Unlike many of the weapons we have previewed so far, this one is not from quests or crafting!





Flying in Warlords of Draenor
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This probably should have been kept to the original thread, but caution to thee, wind, I say! (I say that.)

So everyone has seen various posts and comments around the World Wide Web about flying not being allowed in Draenor, why, and what that means. It’d probably be helpful to try to sum up some of those things, and potentially help build a foundation for anyone’s discussions on the topic going forward. If everyone has the same info then it just helps conversations glide along, as you can expect everyone else knows what you know! Knowledge Parity! (Knarity?)

Anyway, it’s important to first dissuade concerns that we’re looking to slow down the game (I’ve recently posted about this in another thread, but it bears repeating). We’re going to be making sure flight paths and other forms of travel are quick and efficient, with a goal of getting you to the places you want to go. The flight paths in Draenor are not going to be loop-de-loop sightseeing tours, and we’re going to be looking to our beta testers to let us know if any are less than tip-top.

Our goal is not to make travel time consuming or painful, and with players on ground mounts we know we'll have to do more to try to ensure people can get to where they want to go quickly… BUT being able to lift off and fly over content compromises many of our goals in how the game world is approached, how it's played, how it's consumed, and how the content is designed to account for those factors.

As an example, let us consider a quest to assassinate an enemy leader. From the ground you approach a fort with guards at the gate. You charge and are able to dispatch them and sneak in a side hallway. You methodically take out packs of roaming sentries, and some of them shout at you as they run toward you. You notice they’re in the middle of practicing dark and forbidden magics, and you take a moment to disrupt their ritual. Dashing into the main courtyard you spot your target, sneaking and fighting your way to him--and with a forceful slash--the fort’s captain is vanquished, and as guards are alerted you fight your way out, glorious and triumphant in your success.

Alternatively, from a flying mount, you fly over the gate, see some guy whose name is highlighted, land on top of him, kill him, and then fly away.

Being efficient is great, being clever is great, and using your cleverness to be efficient is great, but how many of us have done the Tillers dailies up on the cliffside where the Hozen are, and waited for packs to pass by before setting down right where you’re supposed to, use whatever thingamabob you’re supposed to, and then lift off ASAP hoping-hoping-hoping nothing aggros? How many of us have become furious when we actually have to fight something!? Is that clever gameplay? Is that being good at playing the game, or is it using a mechanic to avoid having to play it? Is that what the game should be, and what our expectations should be as gamers playing it?

I hope everyone can agree, regardless of personal opinion toward flight vs. non-flight, that flying fundamentally alters how content is approached in a world where the gameplay exists wholly on the ground.

In Draenor we’re designing max-level content, portions of zones or zones in their entirety that will be dedicated to max-level gameplay—and not just the top of a cliffside, or some dailies in the Vale. There’s a harsh change in how the game plays between leveling, and when you hit max level. Hitting 100 and instantly switching everything you do to raiding or Arenas is pretty abrupt, and we want to try to keep that questing experience available at max level with something more robust than daily quests. We don’t think having all of that content inside buildings, or constantly challenged by sky cannons, or with magical no-flying smoke, or within some kind of dismount bubble is the most straightforward or best solution to the ultimate issue in that World of Warcraft is not a flight sim, and that's just not what the content of the game is about. Even at level 100 there will be no small portions of the game world intended to provide relevant content even to max-level players. These zones may even unlock over the course of the expansion, or the content in them will progress in story and scope throughout content patches. Content has to be designed with the expectation that there either is or is not flight, and approaching ground-level content from the ground offers more compelling gameplay. Raids, dungeons, and PvP continue to disallow flying for this same reason.

It's also important to think about not just what the content is, but how it's experienced. Not everyone that plays the game cares how quests and outdoor content are experienced, of course. Some may find it unnecessary; they don't feel it adds anything to their experience. Others play through it fairly quickly, enjoy it, but don’t particularly want to put much thought into why. Some may begrudgingly trudge through the content just so they can get to the part of the game they do want to play, and any other number of situations and preferences.

I’m sure some of you see the fortress example with the flying mount and see nothing wrong, if that’s how someone wants to play the game they should be allowed to. But a game is largely defined by its limitations, and the rules within which you must find or create a solution. We’re not trying to create a slow and laborious game (hopefully people actually enjoy the content!), or expect people will be yelling “YIIIPPPEEEEE!” while fighting a mob that aggroed when they tried to pick an herb, but there’s a big difference between a slow and laborious game and the expectation of instant gratification—not to mention the somewhat nebulous intention of creating and maintaining an engaging and immersive game world. World of Warcraft is a persistent online roleplaying game, and as much as we let players choose how they improve their characters within the world; leveling through dungeons, or PvP, or questing; choosing to do Arenas, or raids, or both; we’re still always wanting to create a holistic experience that supports all of these things. That doesn’t mean we think it’s a good idea to force people to read all their quest text, or stare at and appreciate the pretty new models, or anything like that, but it’s not unreasonable to see that combat and content exist on the ground, understand that, embrace that, and make decisions to support it.

In summary: It’s important to us that we integrate max-level questing into the expansion more thoroughly than designated daily locations on mountain tops, or only have the option of releasing new max level content in magically appearing islands where flight has different rules because reasons. We also know that being able to approach content that’s on the ground from up in the air compromises much of what creates the game world, how it's played, and how it's consumed. The game experience is fundamentally altered when you can lift off and set down wherever you want. And lastly, that we’re not intending to slow anyone down, and we’re going to make sure that players can get where they want to go efficiently through more direct flight points, and potentially alternate travel methods.

None of this is new philosophy; it's something we've maintained since Burning Crusade when flight was introduced, but it has evolved over the years, and I expect it to continue to be—like everything we do—an iterative process. And hopefully this has been at least marginally informative.

yet, we have yet to receive an answer as to when flying will be implemented, if at all. sounds to me like not at all.
We don't know. We don't purport to have definitive answers for anything, especially before we've even begun external testing.

Everything in this game is about time consumption. Hands down. I see no problem with that because after all the business model dictates it (meaning the goal is to acquire another monthly payment from the customer).

I guess what im saying is that there are adults in the room and we know that no flying at drop of xpacs is purely a business decision (again, one thaty I do not have a problem with).

Try shooting us straight from time to time...were not all kids.

Making a fun game makes people want to play the game, not nickle and diming their time. Was the game an insulting disservice to you as an adult before flying existed?

The dishonest are want to identify dishonesty, even where it doesn't exist.
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  1. prwraith's Avatar
    That mount, is hideous.
  1. Gheld's Avatar
    You guys are missing the best line on the news post.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    But a game is defined largely by its limitations
    That's going to become their new "It will cost you a raid tier".

    "I don't find this new battleground to be very immersive."

    But it's a defining limitation!
    No flying. Defining limitation.
    My crafting profession has no income opportunities. Defining limitation.
    This bug is preventing me from turning in this quest. Defining limitation.
  1. Joobay's Avatar
    "BUT being able to lift off and fly over content compromises many of our goals in how the game world is approached, how it's played, how it's consumed, and how the content is designed to account for those factors."

    By that logic, the same can be said about regular mounts. So get rid of mounts all together? Make us walk everywhere, content can be just as easily skipped on ground mounts as it can with flying mounts. If they're going by this thought pattern, there's no discernible reason to have mounts at all. They've always talked about moving forward in game design, which is why they're never going back to vanilla content with old servers, etc...and yet---disallowing flying mounts after they've been available for so long is completely backwards game design.
  1. Gheld's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Joobay View Post
    "BUT being able to lift off and fly over content compromises many of our goals in how the game world is approached, how it's played, how it's consumed, and how the content is designed to account for those factors."

    By that logic, the same can be said about regular mounts. So get rid of mounts all together? Make us walk everywhere, content can be just as easily skipped on ground mounts as it can with flying mounts. If they're going by this thought pattern, there's no discernible reason to have mounts at all. They've always talked about moving forward in game design, which is why they're never going back to vanilla content with old servers, etc...and yet---disallowing flying mounts after they've been available for so long is completely backwards game design.
    Everybody but Hunters Rogues and Druids will have to fight their way to quest objectives; but that's a defining limitation.
  1. Inveracity's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayla View Post
    So every 3 months we are getting a new store mount or RAF? Fucking hell. Maybe its time to quit wow.

    My money can best be spent elsewhere than on a stupid fucking game that keeps throwing the things I love into the store.
    No, don't quit! Oh my God!
  1. War30's Avatar
    So let me get this straight...
    The MAIN reason we are not able to use flying mounts is because they do want to slow down the game...The want to milk it as much as they can so we can instead wait 4 years for another expansion. I'm all for no flying mounts while leveling. But if I reach level 100, I better have the choice to use my flying mounts. So I have the Ultimate Ultimatum. If Blizzard really does not want us to use flying mounts then every player should ask for a refund for all the flying mounts they bought on there store. What they are doing here is being DISHONEST with there loyal customers. If they don't want reimburse us, people should cancel there accounts right now.
  1. Bizarre Monkey's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Joobay View Post
    "BUT being able to lift off and fly over content compromises many of our goals in how the game world is approached, how it's played, how it's consumed, and how the content is designed to account for those factors."

    By that logic, the same can be said about regular mounts. So get rid of mounts all together? Make us walk everywhere, content can be just as easily skipped on ground mounts as it can with flying mounts. If they're going by this thought pattern, there's no discernible reason to have mounts at all. They've always talked about moving forward in game design, which is why they're never going back to vanilla content with old servers, etc...and yet---disallowing flying mounts after they've been available for so long is completely backwards game design.
    This is the most retarded line of logic I've seen yet and that's saying something.

    Ground mounts can't fly. You have a chance to be dismounted on a ground mount, and it still means you are on the ground, you can't just go past everything. Also how would they get money out of chumps if they didn't have mounts to give out? Lel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War30 View Post
    So let me get this straight...
    The MAIN reason we are not able to use flying mounts is because they do want to slow down the game...The want to milk it as much as they can so we can instead wait 4 years for another expansion.
    They don't want to have to design max level progression content like they've said they're adding around flying mounts, put your tinfoil hat theories away.
    Quote Originally Posted by War30 View Post
    I'm all for no flying mounts while leveling. But if I reach level 100, I better have the choice to use my flying mounts. So I have the Ultimate Ultimatum. If Blizzard really does not want us to use flying mounts then every player should ask for a refund for all the flying mounts they bought on there store.
    How about, the whiny entitled brats like you who act like they give a fuck. I'm not going to quit just because they cut flying mounts, I'm not that self-centered and spoilt.
    Quote Originally Posted by War30 View Post
    What they are doing here is being DISHONEST with there loyal customers. If they don't want reimburse us, people should cancel there accounts right now.
    I could care less if anyone complaining about this unsubscribes, no one who enjoys the game for what it is cares about your petty fucking desires or demands you miserable gratification-seeking twat.

    Also honesty is overrated. People will always complain, and this isn't really dishonesty, it's more that they just changed their mind on the matter. I admire your enthusiasm for some sort of shortlived rebellion, but it's ultimately futile. The people complaining will have no qualms with buying the Xpac, playing it and being grounded once it arrives, they are complaining like you are because they simply have nothing better to do with their lives. I'm not even trying to defend Blizzard, they're a big company now they don't need defending, but if i enjoy something it's calling out people for being mindnumbingly idiotic or/and entitled.
  1. Asthreon's Avatar
    Hahah I find the whinging hilarious in this thread.

    Let's leave a game that is removing flying in part of an Expansion and go play a game with no flying instead!

    THAT'LL SHOW EM!
  1. Rorcanna's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bizarre Monkey View Post
    I was under the impression it won't be just Draenor, but everywhere.

    Which I am equally happy about.
    Lol, they will not remove flying entirely. Keep dreaming though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthreon View Post
    Hahah I find the whinging hilarious in this thread.

    Let's leave a game that is removing flying in part of an Expansion and go play a game with no flying instead!

    THAT'LL SHOW EM!
    Did you ever see them make such nonsense posts about no flying during leveling in other expansions? No, because they hope that they can remove flying entirely from draenor, not just during leveling.
  1. Zachary's Avatar
    Good that they posted this, but I fear the pro-flying nutters will still keep on barking. But the reasons are all there for everyone to see.
  1. Damax's Avatar
    I don't remember seeing so much qq on forums ever. even people pissed at pandas or worgen weren't as many.

    No flying mount is just blizzard's idea of a dangerous world where you do more than navigate around and click things to get shinnies without effort like harvest moon (a farm game)

    I personally understand what they are trying to achieve but in a world of warcraft were players want possibility, choice and innovation (specially since the game's old age) I would rather they developed fly mount combat, automatic dismounts close to questing areas or even a waypoint system because lets face it few of the flight paths are straightforward and they had 10 years to improve it. the flypath system lacks interaction just as much as flying mounts and if the reason is strong enough to remove flying then flying paths should go too.

    I've been long positive about wow for 7 years+ now but I fail to see anything amazing in WOD and still not sure what people are looking for... is it the amazing story? or the sim city game? definitely not the innovating part..
  1. grexly75's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bizarre Monkey View Post
    I was under the impression it won't be just Draenor, but everywhere.

    Which I am equally happy about.
    And if Blizz did that then they better expect a big backlash from the people who spent real money buying flying mounts in Blizz's precious crappy store..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damax View Post
    I don't remember seeing so much qq on forums ever. even people pissed at pandas or worgen weren't as many.

    No flying mount is just blizzard's idea of a dangerous world where you do more than navigate around and click things to get shinnies without effort like harvest moon (a farm game)

    I personally understand what they are trying to achieve but in a world of warcraft were players want possibility, choice and innovation (specially since the game's old age) I would rather they developed fly mount combat, automatic dismounts close to questing areas or even a waypoint system because lets face it few of the flight paths are straightforward and they had 10 years to improve it. the flypath system lacks interaction just as much as flying mounts and if the reason is strong enough to remove flying then flying paths should go too.

    I've been long positive about wow for 7 years+ now but I fail to see anything amazing in WOD and still not sure what people are looking for... is it the amazing story? or the sim city game? definitely not the innovating part..
    Yeah lately I have seen a lot of back tracking by Blizz, the one that comes to mind is their touting of how awesome Garrisons are going to be to now only allowing them in the starting zones for each faction.. Wonder what next they will back track on besides flying..
  1. War30's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bizarre Monkey View Post
    This is the most retarded line of logic I've seen yet and that's saying something.

    Ground mounts can't fly. You have a chance to be dismounted on a ground mount, and it still means you are on the ground, you can't just go past everything. Also how would they get money out of chumps if they didn't have mounts to give out? Lel.

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    They don't want to have to design max level progression content like they've said they're adding around flying mounts, put your tinfoil hat theories away.How about, the whiny entitled brats like you who act like they give a fuck. I'm not going to quit just because they cut flying mounts, I'm not that self-centered and spoilt. I could care less if anyone complaining about this unsubscribes, no one who enjoys the game for what it is cares about your petty fucking desires or demands you miserable gratification-seeking twat.

    Also honesty is overrated. People will always complain, and this isn't really dishonesty, it's more that they just changed their mind on the matter. I admire your enthusiasm for some sort of shortlived rebellion, but it's ultimately futile. The people complaining will have no qualms with buying the Xpac, playing it and being grounded once it arrives, they are complaining like you are because they simply have nothing better to do with their lives. I'm not even trying to defend Blizzard, they're a big company now they don't need defending, but if i enjoy something it's calling out people for being mindnumbingly idiotic or/and entitled.
    I really feel sorry for you for you are the one whining and complaining. I'm old enough to UNDERSTAND what is right and what is deceiving. I'm not a sheep like you. There has been no shred of proof why this feature is being removed. Why all of a sudden the change? Burning crusade and Lich king had no problems with it because we had to level up 10 lvs. The problem was with Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria where we were only leveling 5 levels which we burned through fast. That was there problem on why people were getting through the content fast. So tell me what are you afraid of? That people will wise up for the first time since this game was released and go play something else and ruin you gaming experience with those you raid with. I"m paying for a FULL gaming experience. Correction. WE ARE ALL PAYING for a full gaming experience and we as customers should get that.

    You know what I really see happening. Remember this, OK. What BLIZZARD is really doing is that they are going to charge you the LOYAL consumer 25 bucks in there store to use flying mounts. This is there plan. I have foreseen this and everyone better be prepared for this for if you buy this feature you are a bunch of idiots.
  1. Kelliak's Avatar
    They really do need to get rid of flying as it was ultimately one of the worst ideas they've ever come up with.

    Now don't get me wrong. I understand the appeal, the thought, and loved it at the time of its conception. However, that said, with time, it's only proven to be a burden to overall designs and really weakened the feel of this "persistent" world our virtual selves exist within. Ultimately this has created a very disconnected, CoD-esque experience where you hop in, queue up for many of your tasks, and any time you have to venture into the world you simply plop your ass on a flying mount with virtually no risk to yourself.

    One word; BORING.

    You play any MMORPG like WoW to experience a world and partake in events, interact with players, and become a part of something beyond your every day existence. That's what was so magical about WoW and many MMOs when we all first began. Now we can't recall what made it so and it's really just that simple. They've become too predictable, too easy, and provide instant-gratification like it's going out of style. Flying is a part of the problem and nowhere near the solution to ANYTHING short of one's own inflated sense of self-importance.

    Really, it wasn't the challenges that turned many away. It wasn't the interactions and networking that turned us away. There is a reason games like Dark Souls can be so popular this day and age. Return to our roots with better story-telling, better combat, challenges(beyond "heroic" modes) better graphics, more immersive gameplay. That's what gamers in general want.

    I'd love to just be punished for trying to level. I want it to be grueling, hurtful to my self-esteem. I want to bloody cry. I remember trying to level in Stranglethorn during Vanilla. YOU KNOW HOW EFFING DEGRADING THAT WAS!?

    And it only made it all the sweeter when I maxed out and began punishing my enemies in return.
  1. Rorcanna's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zachary View Post
    Good that they posted this, but I fear the pro-flying nutters will still keep on barking. But the reasons are all there for everyone to see.
    Those reasons aren't exactly gospel. Expecting people to just swallow this after flying being available for so many years at max level is just arrogant. But then the anti-flying nutters have been waiting for this day since TBC was announced it would seem, which would explain all the insults they throw around at anyone being against this change.
  1. Deviant's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Asthreon View Post
    Hahah I find the whinging hilarious in this thread.

    Let's leave a game that is removing flying in part of an Expansion and go play a game with no flying instead!

    THAT'LL SHOW EM!
    There are other mmo's beside wow with flying and I can just go play older expansions.
  1. Ayla's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Inveracity View Post
    No, don't quit! Oh my God!
    If I quit, I'll lose my mount rank

    can't quit, noobs will steal my rank
    can't quit, noobs will steal my rank
    cant sleep, noobs will steal my rank @_@

    *rocks back and forth*

    **kinda half serious
  1. theostrichsays's Avatar
    I'm not sure how I feel about that mount. I think it looks awful in the picture, but maybe the in game animations will be really nice.
    Personally, I want an engineer mount to be gained from maxing our MoP ranch stuff. I want a riding lawnmower that has normal walking speed or less, like the fishing turtle. One can only wish.

    But I don't really understand the hate for not having flying, I am leveling a character without heirlooms right now out of boredom, I think it is a valid point about being able to skip content with flying. Hell, who knows we might see the return of group quests, normal leveling quests whose difficulty actually requires 2-5 people... doubtful but one could hope.
    I won't say that flying has taken all the immersion out of the game, or that it is my primary reason for feeling like there is much less after all these years, but if I had to pick and choose my battles across gold plated 103's wandering around to get into a stronghold, kill a target and escape without a repair bill or just fly in cloak glider my way past everything and kill him... I would choose the former. Maybe all those good memories of gold plated Worgen kicking my behind years ago has my nostalgia running also.
  1. Lightfist's Avatar
    Hey, what other MMO has flying? On, none of them? Because it's a bad idea?

    Go ahead. Quit WoW. Where are you going to go?
  1. War30's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post

    One word; BORING.

    You play any MMORPG like WoW to experience a world and partake in events, interact with players, and become a part of something beyond your every day existence. That's what was so magical about WoW and many MMOs when we all first began. Now we can't recall what made it so and it's really just that simple. They've become too predictable, too easy, and provide instant-gratification like it's going out of style. Flying is a part of the problem and nowhere near the solution to ANYTHING short of one's own inflated sense of self-importance.

    Really, it wasn't the challenges that turned many away. It wasn't the interactions and networking that turned us away. There is a reason games like Dark Souls can be so popular this day and age. Return to our roots with better story-telling, better combat, challenges(beyond "heroic" modes) better graphics, more immersive gameplay. That's what gamers in general want.

    I'd love to just be punished for trying to level. I want it to be grueling, hurtful to my self-esteem. I want to bloody cry. I remember trying to level in Stranglethorn during Vanilla. YOU KNOW HOW EFFING DEGRADING THAT WAS!?

    And it only made it all the sweeter when I maxed out and began punishing my enemies in return.
    I agree with you that we need a challenge while leveling. But once all that is over we should be able to use our flying mounts.
    Let me say this. I have played tons of other MMO's like Star Wars Galaxy, AION, Warhammer online, Rift, Star Wars the Old Republic, Guild Wars 1 and 2, Final Fantasy 11 and 14 and you know something they all suck and then something funny happens. I return to WOW. The reason being that I have FREEDOM using flying mounts while these other games suck at it. Its the main reason these games suck and its by FAR the #1 reason people began playing this game since burning crusade. If Blizzard removes this they will become like every other MMO game and people will LEAVE. I will bet you on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightfist View Post
    Hey, what other MMO has flying? On, none of them? Because it's a bad idea?

    Go ahead. Quit WoW. Where are you going to go?
    Dammit you beat me to it...LMAO

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