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WoW Down to 7.6 Million Subscribers
Blizzard had their Q1 2014 earnings call today, announcing that WoW is down to 7.6 million subscribers. This is down 200k from the Q4 2013 call that listed WoW at 7.8 million subscribers.


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  1. Chickat's Avatar
    K bye. Wont miss.
  1. SodiumChloride's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    A good game with bad HDR I assume? Well, if you want my personal view on it all.

    Most, again. Trion Worlds Games, Guild Wars 2, any Unreal Engine 3 / UDK and soon to be Unreal 4, most source converted games (Even the new Titanfall), Elder Scrolls Online (It seems to be HDR, not typical 2004 BLOOOOM), Shadow Warrior (New one), Serious Sam 3, and many more I can't name off the top of my head right now. All of these were pretty good to me (Disregarding Company / Engine call outs). These all are notorious for bad HDR or just poor mimicing of the effects to me.
    HA! I knew Unreal would crop up. Ya, that engine does over do quite a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    WoWs graphics are beautiful. A ton of people dont even care about graphics. If they did, LoL wouldn't be so popular.

    This looks on par with something like swtor imo, and I actually think it looks better than the oil painted look of gw2.
    LoL isn't an RPG though.

    Morning


    Around noon
  1. PenguinChan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SodiumChloride View Post
    HA! I knew Unreal would crop up. Ya, that engine does over do quite a bit.
    Even though I think FFXIV does HDR amazingly well, there are points in some areas where it wasn't tuned back and it fucks with me. I hate absolute bright whites (Besides the sun, obviously) and it crops up every now and again.
  1. SodiumChloride's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    Even though I think FFXIV does HDR amazingly well, there are points in some areas where it wasn't tuned back and it fucks with me. I hate absolute bright whites (Besides the sun, obviously) and it crops up every now and again.
    That happens I believe when there is high contrast between areas. The engine picks an exposure level somewhere in the middle - or something like that - so you lose detail in the very bright and very dark areas.

    Unreal seem to be permanently "overexposed".
  1. Mendzia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nnyco View Post


    its this time again
    I preffer this one:
  1. kazso's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by wotscheints View Post
    And 7.6m subscribers is over 100M USD (I know not all subscribers pay $15, but EU players pay €12.99. That's $18). Per month.
    That's 1.2B per year. Revenue from other in-game services not included.
    1.2B is not "dead". There are "WoW-killers" out there that are not even close to 7.8M players and/or 1.2B annual revenue and will probably never be.
    You think, that those 7.6m subscribers are all from US and EU?
    Around 4m subscribers are still asians, who don't pay a monthly fee. Only the rest (3.6m) are from US and EU.
  1. Osmeric's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Brewhan View Post
    my sub ends today and wildstar open beta tomorrow, no flying no money
    Wildstar doesn't have flying, does it? I mean, those jumping puzzles for Explorers would be ruined by that.
  1. Gheld's Avatar
    When I finally decided to "de-commit" myself from WoW and go see what other games had to offer with an open mind, what amazed me was just how dated and sad WoW is now by comparison. So to those who say "Well I don't miss them". You shouldn't. A whole new world awaits them. They probably don't miss you either.

    WoW is essentially like a cult now. You play WoW, you devote all of your gaming time to WoW with no idea what is going on in the outside world (because you are so caught up on the accumulative investment you've made in the game) and if you finally do break free the first thing that happens is your eyes hurt because it's so damn bright out there.

    Like sure I stepped away to try Diablo 3 (since i got it "Free" on the annual pass) but then after I gave WoW a rest I logged onto steam to try out a bunch of different games, and my assessment; Blizzard has gone from serving gourmet meals to serving fast food (but the prices on the menu haven't changed).

    So I feel sorry for anybody amongst those 7.6 million people who believe that they are getting their money's worth for WoW.
  1. Osmeric's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    When I finally decided to "de-commit" myself from WoW and go see what other games had to offer with an open mind, what amazed me was just how dated and sad WoW is now by comparison.
    When I've tried other MMOs, what struck me is how badly they play. The fluidity of movement, animation, speed of panning and rendering of scenery, and combat are all just terrible compared to WoW. I've been burned on this enough times to just not bother picking up new MMOs now. ESO and Wildstar, I'm not even bothering to try.
  1. Gheld's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    When I've tried other MMOs, what struck me is how badly they play. The fluidity of movement, animation, speed of panning and rendering of scenery, and combat are all just terrible compared to WoW. I've been burned on this enough times to just not bother picking up new MMOs now. ESO and Wildstar, I'm not even bothering to try.
    MMO's are just bad in general. A novelty for the young shut-in. Really, nobody cares about the social aspect of them any way. Anybody who claims they play a game, from within the locked doors of their own home, for the purpose of socializing is being intellectually dishonest. It's all about E-Peen show-off, and a lot of non MMO games have E-Peen show-off built into them now.

    And I mean, if you're having a LAN party, and WoW is the game of the hour, that's one bad LAN party.

    Yeah, WoW probably operates the smoothest of any MMO, but that's probably because it's a 2004 game engine(older, yet including development) being played on 2010+ computers over 2014 internet connections. So of course it is going to play smoother than games that are newer will. All Blizzard has done to the game play is some graphical tweaks like adding DX11 support (unless you have an ATI card) and up the poly count on models and increase the terrain texture resolution.

    The game world is still an inorganic slop, models are still clipping balls, and any attempt to change any of that with their game engine has failed.

    If you want to pay hundreds of dollars a year for that, go for it. But I can assure you you aren't getting your money's worth.
  1. PolleDK's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SodiumChloride View Post
    LoL isn't an RPG though.
    But the graphics are still terrible (compared to other games), but that doesn't seem to scare off people. In other words, graphics rarely makes the game, game play does, however.

    Naturally, it's all opinions, but I'm fairly certain most people won't stick around for long, if the only thing a game has to offer are pretty objects. Age of Conan, as an example, had (at the time of release) OMG graphics (although you needed a rather powerful PC to run it with those graphics) but rather crappy game play - lots of things weren't done when it was released. It has since resorted to a F2P model, and still contains many glitches far worse than WoW.

    For me, I like the graphics used in WoW, it's a special sort of graphics, that doesn't seem to try and mimic real life in the same way other MMO's do. And when they do have the audacity to up the graphics, tons of people complain they can't run the game quit as smoothly as they used to.

    New pretty graphics will surely attract new players (or old), but once they find that that is the only thing that's new, they'll soon quit again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    When I've tried other MMOs, what struck me is how badly they play. The fluidity of movement, animation, speed of panning and rendering of scenery, and combat are all just terrible compared to WoW. I've been burned on this enough times to just not bother picking up new MMOs now. ESO and Wildstar, I'm not even bothering to try.
    I concur.
  1. Chickat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SodiumChloride View Post
    HA! I knew Unreal would crop up. Ya, that engine does over do quite a bit.



    LoL isn't an RPG though.

    Morning


    Around noon
    It looks terrible to me. Washed out colors. Boring uninspired props. Ill take wow anyday thank you. I think I just prefer a more cartoon styled game. Its why I think something like borderlands 2 looks better then bf4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazso View Post
    You think, that those 7.6m subscribers are all from US and EU?
    Around 4m subscribers are still asians, who don't pay a monthly fee. Only the rest (3.6m) are from US and EU.
    Willing to bet you are wrong. Theres a reason profits arent dropping. Its because most of the 4m that left were from asia. Betting on 5m west players at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    When I finally decided to "de-commit" myself from WoW and go see what other games had to offer with an open mind, what amazed me was just how dated and sad WoW is now by comparison. So to those who say "Well I don't miss them". You shouldn't. A whole new world awaits them. They probably don't miss you either.

    WoW is essentially like a cult now. You play WoW, you devote all of your gaming time to WoW with no idea what is going on in the outside world (because you are so caught up on the accumulative investment you've made in the game) and if you finally do break free the first thing that happens is your eyes hurt because it's so damn bright out there.

    Like sure I stepped away to try Diablo 3 (since i got it "Free" on the annual pass) but then after I gave WoW a rest I logged onto steam to try out a bunch of different games, and my assessment; Blizzard has gone from serving gourmet meals to serving fast food (but the prices on the menu haven't changed).

    So I feel sorry for anybody amongst those 7.6 million people who believe that they are getting their money's worth for WoW.
    Funny, I feel the same way about all the other mmos. They feel cheap in comparison to wow. Yes ive tried nearly all of them. Nothing has the production value that wow does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    MMO's are just bad in general. A novelty for the young shut-in. Really, nobody cares about the social aspect of them any way. Anybody who claims they play a game, from within the locked doors of their own home, for the purpose of socializing is being intellectually dishonest. It's all about E-Peen show-off, and a lot of non MMO games have E-Peen show-off built into them now.

    And I mean, if you're having a LAN party, and WoW is the game of the hour, that's one bad LAN party.

    Yeah, WoW probably operates the smoothest of any MMO, but that's probably because it's a 2004 game engine(older, yet including development) being played on 2010+ computers over 2014 internet connections. So of course it is going to play smoother than games that are newer will. All Blizzard has done to the game play is some graphical tweaks like adding DX11 support (unless you have an ATI card) and up the poly count on models and increase the terrain texture resolution.

    The game world is still an inorganic slop, models are still clipping balls, and any attempt to change any of that with their game engine has failed.

    If you want to pay hundreds of dollars a year for that, go for it. But I can assure you you aren't getting your money's worth.
    Don't try to tell me what I think my money is worth. Like i said, Tried other mmos. Nothing compares to wow for me. I went in with an open mind. Hell, I'm sick of wow, but other mmos feel 10 times more boring and clunky.
  1. SodiumChloride's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PolleDK View Post
    But the graphics are still terrible (compared to other games), but that doesn't seem to scare off people. In other words, graphics rarely makes the game, game play does, however.

    Naturally, it's all opinions, but I'm fairly certain most people won't stick around for long, if the only thing a game has to offer are pretty objects. Age of Conan, as an example, had (at the time of release) OMG graphics (although you needed a rather powerful PC to run it with those graphics) but rather crappy game play - lots of things weren't done when it was released. It has since resorted to a F2P model, and still contains many glitches far worse than WoW.

    For me, I like the graphics used in WoW, it's a special sort of graphics, that doesn't seem to try and mimic real life in the same way other MMO's do. And when they do have the audacity to up the graphics, tons of people complain they can't run the game quit as smoothly as they used to.

    New pretty graphics will surely attract new players (or old), but once they find that that is the only thing that's new, they'll soon quit again.
    It's also free though.

    FFXIV has gameplay to go along with it's graphics, that's why it's capable of growing and retaining players.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    It looks terrible to me. Washed out colors. Boring uninspired props. Ill take wow anyday thank you. I think I just prefer a more cartoon styled game. Its why I think something like borderlands 2 looks better then bf4.
    Err ... OK.

    LOL.

    Dude it's call realistic lighting. Beats WoW's "colour filter" over everything method ...




  1. usiris's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    So I feel sorry for anybody amongst those 7.6 million people who believe that they are getting their money's worth for WoW.
    I like how you generalize how people view what their time/money is worth.
  1. kippi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by usiris View Post
    I like how you generalize how people view what their time/money is worth.
    Right? Making independent financial decisions is hard stuff, it's best to log into the internet and find someone beneath you so you can make justifications about swapping over to shit games that are out of content in 2 weeks.

    Also, a Final Fantasy MMO retaining customers, shit you could not have told me a better joke today, thanks for making me laugh. The game could be indecipherable from RL graphics wise and it will still flop faster than you can say Wildstar.
  1. PolleDK's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SodiumChloride View Post
    It's also free though.

    FFXIV has gameplay to go along with it's graphics, that's why it's capable of growing and retaining players.
    F2P now, yes. Wasn't at launch, and not for quite a while thereafter.

    As can be seen in the graph, WoW grew in numbers for 6 years, then started to lose players. It's now close to 10 years old. It's really not that surprising that subscriptions are going down. No amount of fancy new graphics is going to change that.

    In terms of subscribers, as far as I can tell, FFXIV is far off WoW's current subscribers. And WoW is much older, and apparently much uglier. What does that tell you?

    Just to be clear, I've got nothing against great graphics, or Blizzard improving the graphics of WoW - not at all - it's just not that important to me. I'd much, much rather have new content and great game play, graphics comes a clear second to that.
  1. Chickat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SodiumChloride View Post
    It's also free though.

    FFXIV has gameplay to go along with it's graphics, that's why it's capable of growing and retaining players.



    Err ... OK.

    LOL.

    Dude it's call realistic lighting. Beats WoW's "colour filter" over everything method ...
    It has nothing to do with the lighting. I don't like the graphics style of the game.

    For example. Games I think look good.
    WoW
    Swtor
    Gw2 looks okay sometimes, but others looks too much like an oil painting for my taste, but in general I think it looks okay.

    Games I think are ugly.
    Rift
    the game you linked
    any other mmo trying to be more realistic rather than cartoony.

    Like I said, Borderlands2>bf4 any day.
  1. SodiumChloride's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by PolleDK View Post
    F2P now, yes. Wasn't at launch, and not for quite a while thereafter.

    As can be seen in the graph, WoW grew in numbers for 6 years, then started to lose players. It's now close to 10 years old. It's really not that surprising that subscriptions are going down. No amount of fancy new graphics is going to change that.
    Just saying the bad graphics isn't helping.

    In terms of subscribers, as far as I can tell, FFXIV is far off WoW's current subscribers. And WoW is much older, and apparently much uglier. What does that tell you?
    Inertia exists?

    Seriously, if WoW launched today in its current state, it will be laughed out of the market.

    Just to be clear, I've got nothing against great graphics, or Blizzard improving the graphics of WoW - not at all - it's just not that important to me. I'd much, much rather have new content and great game play, graphics comes a clear second to that.
    Just saying first impressions count. It doesn't matter how great your gameplay is if you can't even convince people to install your game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    It has nothing to do with the lighting. I don't like the graphics style of the game.

    For example. Games I think look good.
    WoW
    Swtor
    Gw2 looks okay sometimes, but others looks too much like an oil painting for my taste, but in general I think it looks okay.

    Games I think are ugly.
    Rift
    the game you linked
    any other mmo trying to be more realistic rather than cartoony.

    Like I said, Borderlands2>bf4 any day.
    Each to their own I guess.

    I have no problem with cartoony graphics per se, but WoW's is ... "underwhelming" to say the least.
  1. War30's Avatar
    So if these numbers are correct they started losing players ever since they announced mists of pandaria at blizzcon 2011. Imagine what the numbers will be when the players that have not yet figured out theirs no flying in the next expansion.
  1. Mormolyce's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by bryroo View Post
    I think it's a safe assumption to say that addiction is a large factor as well. More than technical hurdles at any rate.

    Blizzard isn't in a rush to get content out because a large amount of the player base is going to keep paying no matter what they do. Why make hold over patches or get the expansion finished in a reasonable amount of time when the players are showing them they're fine with running TI and SoO for another 6 months?
    I'm arguing with you on an MMO fansite where I have like 14,000 posts so I can't say that addiction isn't a factor!

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