Warlords of Draenor In-Game Cinematics

Tempting, but I think I'll wait.

Originally Posted by Wildberry

No, you didn't literally say so; however, when you made the statement "The Horde is a family of all these races banding together in brotherhood to survive," you make the implication that the survival of the Orcs depends on the presence of the other races, which effectively translates into "needing" them.

Well that is pretty much the faction's official description but it is less the orcs depend on them and more they all depend and work for each other. In sense; a family"The Horde is made up of orcs, forsaken, tauren, trolls, blood elves, and most recently, goblins. Misunderstood and cast aside, these diverse and powerful races strive to overcome their differences and unite as one in order to win freedom for their people and prosper in a land that has come to hate them."

"I'll tell ya what de Horde is. De Horde that me an' Thrall built. It be a family. When de whole world try ta put us down, da family come an' pick us back up."
Warchief Vol'jin

That's funny considering the "New Horde" starting when Orgrim Doomhammer began to liberate the Orcish internment camps alongside Thrall, Grom and Drek'thar. Even if you really wanted to make the case that the "New Horde" started with Thrall, you'd still be wrong considering Thrall's Horde officially started in southern Lordaeron far before the Orcs met the Darkspear Trolls or Tauren.

Just because the new horde originally started with orcs makes no difference, it soon grew to encompase those other races and they became a major members within the horde, with as much right to call the horde home as any orc. Football way back in the day used to only be a white sport but as times changed people from other ethnicity's were allowed in. When you think football players you think of all these people of varying backgrounds.

You don't see normal people looking at football going "That's funny considering "football" started when white people created it."

The "True" Horde was birthed only after the other races bitched and moaned about every decision Garrosh had made.

After you know, he decided the other races were to weak to be in the center of Orgrimmar then confined the trolls to slums. And they had right to bitch, they were bad decisions.

Oh great, now the anniversary BG has been cut to the size of AV lol.

j/k I really hate to see what 100v100 would be like on some peoples potatoes though.

Originally Posted by bison91

...they showed marraad dies but didnt even showed for one moment orgrim doomhammer like he never existed

spoiler You see him die on the ship before you are ported over to fight blackhand

my body is so fucking ready

Originally Posted by LittleJin

nazis have not invented killing. we have a long tradition of murderinge ach other. what allowed germans to do it better were advancements of XX. century. normal orcs are bloodlust creatures, wanting to crush skulls and drink fluids from spines of defeated enemies. also, I don't see them as socialists either.

there is general rule 99% of every population is stupid. rulers usually are the 1%, and they should decide who to kill and for what. there are no such silly things as 'international laws' or 'war crimes'. there is only war and its horror. you gain or you lose.

The reason why I refer to Garrosh and the orcs of the true horde as nazi's is because you can literally draw perfect parallels between them, their actions and the events of World War 2.

And we know not all Orcs are evil blood crazed monsters. Look at the frost wolves, or the shadowmoon before Ner'zhul went power crazy (and by extension the village of Orcs that left the shadowmoon clan you can find in SMV )

A satisfying ending to Garrosh's story

wtf, now the pvp bg is only 40v40, fucking blizzard ruining more shit

Originally Posted by Throren

Well that is pretty much the faction's official description but it is less the orcs depend on them and more they all depend and work for each other. In sense; a family"The Horde is made up of orcs, forsaken, tauren, trolls, blood elves, and most recently, goblins. Misunderstood and cast aside, these diverse and powerful races strive to overcome their differences and unite as one in order to win freedom for their people and prosper in a land that has come to hate them."
"I'll tell ya what de Horde is. De Horde that me an' Thrall built. It be a family. When de whole world try ta put us down, da family come an' pick us back up."
Warchief Vol'jin
Just because the new horde originally started with orcs makes no difference, it soon grew to encompase those other races and they became a major members within the horde, with as much right to call the horde home as any orc. Football way back in the day used to only be a white sport but as times changed people from other ethnicity's were allowed in. When you think football players you think of all these people of varying backgrounds.
You don't see normal people looking at football going "That's funny considering "football" started when white people started playing it.
After you know, he decided the other races were to weak to be in the center of Orgrimmar then confined the trolls to slums. And they had right to bitch, they were bad decisions.

red alert, red alert. marxist spotted on the two o'thrall.

and he was right, they were, they are weak. slums? they got their own district with little river, huts and voodoo going on. but they were not fit to be present in the heart of Orgrimmar. it was a good decision and they should have bend like harlots they are. this is what happens when rabid animals don't know their place. rebellion, hah!

this horde knows nothing about loyalty. and there is no such thing as 'blind loyalty' there is only loyalty. you follow your ruler to the end, no moral yadda-yadda concious bullshit. you march, you gut, you fall for the Warchief.

I feel ashamed for being part of this 'horde'.

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Originally Posted by Throren

The reason why I refer to Garrosh and the orcs of the true horde as nazi's is because you can literally draw perfect parallels between them, their actions and the events of World War 2.

And we know not all Orcs are evil blood crazed monsters. Look at the frost wolves, or the shadowmoon before Ner'zhul went power crazy (and by extension the village of Orcs that left the shadowmoon clan you can find in SMV )

you can find thousands upon thousands similar parallels.

they are all, and frostwolves showed it perfectly. all orcs hae bloodlust, they may channel it differently or supress but its in them. but yes, frostwolves and original shadowmoon were pussies. it is a wonder that other clans have not made hut carpets out of them.

there is no evil about being blood crazed, it is nature!

Originally Posted by LittleJin

red alert, red alert. marxist spotted on the two o'thrall.

and he was right, they were, they are weak. slums? they got their own district with little river, huts and voodoo going on. but they were not fit to be present in the heart of Orgrimmar. it was a good decision and they should have bend like harlots they are. this is what happens when rabid animals don't know their place. rebellion, hah!

this horde knows nothing about loyalty. and there is no such thing as 'blind loyalty' there is only loyalty. you follow your ruler to the end, no moral yadda-yadda concious bullshit. you march, you gut, you fall for the Warchief.

I feel ashamed for being part of this 'horde'.

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you can find thousands upon thousands similar parallels.

they are all, and frostwolves showed it perfectly. all orcs hae bloodlust, they may channel it differently or supress but its in them. but yes, frostwolves and original shadowmoon were pussies. it is a wonder that other clans have not made hut carpets out of them.

there is no evil about being blood crazed, it is nature!

Do you ever reply normally as a regular MMO gamer/player and not in Roleplay kor'kron orc mode? Also I cant make a proper reply to this as you based no real counter argument with proof to reply against. All this is is a big 'in character RP' rant

Almost every one of your posts is along the lines of "Hail Garrosh, he was in the right because other races suck and are weak because Garrosh said so! Orcs are cooler."

Oh and right, just because some orcs don;t want to gargle the blood of infants and crush the bones of innocent people makes them pussies? Mkay then, let me know what prison is like if you go on with that mind set.

^ your posts in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by Throren

Well that is pretty much the faction's official description but it is less the orcs depend on them and more they all depend and work for each other. In sense; a family"The Horde is made up of orcs, forsaken, tauren, trolls, blood elves, and most recently, goblins. Misunderstood and cast aside, these diverse and powerful races strive to overcome their differences and unite as one in order to win freedom for their people and prosper in a land that has come to hate them."

"I'll tell ya what de Horde is. De Horde that me an' Thrall built. It be a family. When de whole world try ta put us down, da family come an' pick us back up."
Warchief Vol'jin.

A Promotional description and a quote from an NPC doesn't override established lore. Vol'jin really didn't have a large hand in "Building" the Horde. Objectively speaking from a perspective outside of the narrative, Vol'jin wasn't the one to sign his people up with the Horde, Vol'jin didn't participate in the Battle of Mt. Hyjal, Vol'jin barely participated in the founding of Durotar itself.

Just because the new horde originally started with orcs makes no difference, it soon grew to encompase those other races and they became a major members within the horde, with as much right to call the horde home as any orc.

Quit backpedaling. Your original statement was the following:

Originally Posted by Throren

The horde is a family of all these races, banding together in brotherhooid to survive. Without them there is no horde.

It's really not a good look to shift positions after your previous one gets debunked.

And I would really appreciate it if you stopped with the language to make yourself sound better. Words like "normal people" and "baby killer" don't help your argument at all, nor do comparisons to American Racial relations. Discrediting your opponents to language, and linking your demolished argument with something barely related, does nothing to help you here.

After you know, he decided the other races were to weak to be in the center of Orgrimmar then confined the trolls to slums. And they had right to bitch, they were bad decisions.

Confined to the slums? How terrible, I mean, it's not like Darkspears have a home of their own. It's not like any Darkspear were making death threats or showing signs of political dissent.

As far as "Bad decisions" go, I don't think you fully understand the situation. Thrall had settled his people into the deserts of Durotar. The Orcs were barely surviving. Thrall and others (Like Gorgonna) viewed this as an act of penance (Fun Fact: Gorgonna even used the term "Suffering" to describe the situation of the Orcs). To even keep their population fed and housed, the Orcs relied on foreign imports from the Night Elves, with whom they had a rocky relationship. Following the events of the Wrath Gate, the Night Elves cut off trade in response (Even though the "Horde" itself wasn't responsible, much less the Orcs). Diplomatic attempts to reestablish negotiations had proven to be a failure (Thanks to the Twilight's Hammer Clan). So Garrosh went to war to secure the resources his people needed to survive.

But, oh no, that's a bad decision.

Tarren Mill 40v40? Fuck u Blizz....

Originally Posted by Throren

Do you ever reply normally as a regular MMO gamer/player and not in Roleplay kor'kron orc mode? Also I cant make a proper reply to this as you based no real counter argument with proof to reply against. All this is is a big 'in character RP' rant

counter argument? to what? to what horde is? history remembers more orcish hordes than not. about sports and white people? well, with time people discovered that some negroidal races have better suited physiology for sports. about description of the horde? I'm not the leftist with writing power, ask him. it looks better for new players, happy, cozy family. and remember the rating of this game.

if not for the orcs, pathetic taurens would have been hunter by the centaurs and milked until the last bit of fat.
if not for the orcs, trolls would have been devoured by the hah! murlocs!
undead? sylvanas would be on Stormwind platter, served with the worm sthat penetrate her bodily rots

these fleshpunders, lowly and repulsive knots of disabilities should bow down whenever they pass near the Grommash Hold.
there is no equality outside the heads of a very sick people. what happend to the horde shows that it is a doomed bunch of shitheads that deserve to burn, impaled on the spikes of Iron Horde

Originally Posted by LittleJin

counter argument? to what? to what horde is? history remembers more orcish hordes than not. about sports and white people? well, with time people discovered that some negroidal races have better suited physiology for sports. about description of the horde? I'm not the leftist with writing power, ask him. it looks better for new players, happy, cozy family. and remember the rating of this game.

if not for the orcs, pathetic taurens would have been hunter by the centaurs and milked until the last bit of fat.
if not for the orcs, trolls would have been devoured by the hah! murlocs!
undead? sylvanas would be on Stormwind platter, served with the worm sthat penetrate her bodily rots

these fleshpunders, lowly and repulsive knots of disabilities should bow down whenever they pass near the Grommash Hold.
there is no equality outside the heads of a very sick people. what happend to the horde shows that it is a doomed bunch of shitheads that deserve to burn, impaled on the spikes of Iron Horde

And without Thrall, the orc you despise so much, the majority of the orc race would have wasted away in the human internment camps

Originally Posted by Throren

And without Thrall, the orc you despise so much, the majority of the orc race would have wasted away in the human internment camps

if not thrall, then there would be another. they would not be able to contain such power forever. after all they were using them for arena fights. how smart these humans were, to culcivate strength of their enemies.

Awesome, one less reason for me to buy the game.

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Originally Posted by Xkiller9000

wtf, now the pvp bg is only 40v40, fucking blizzard ruining more shit

Come on now...Did anyone really think that Blizzard was going to create a 100 vs 100 BG? Even temporarily?

Originally Posted by LittleJin

if not thrall, then there would be another. they would not be able to contain such power forever. after all they were using them for arena fights. how smart these humans were, to culcivate strength of their enemies.

power? The orcs were broken like dogs in the camps, lethargic, downtrodden, void of any hope. Even after the orcs were liberated " It was difficult to rouse the orcs from their lethargy, but Thrall was able to prove to them that their destiny was not yet at its end" Heck, for all we know, maybe Genn's nagging would finally have gotten to the rest of the monarchs and they would have executed a large portion of the orcish race. We may never know.

One of the reasons Thrall managed to get out I believe was he was raised by humans, so he wasn't as dumb as your standard orc xD

I get it you like orcs, but sometime you just need to take a step back from your keyboard and realize they aren't the most invincible power house in the warcraft universe that can get out of any sticky situation xD

Best ingame cinematic to date by far... count me psyched.

Throren, are you going to respond? I thought we were having a lot of fun in our discussion! I was, at least...

Originally Posted by Tatahe

Tarren Mill 40v40? Fuck u Blizz....

I aint to happy about it being 40 vs 40 either. I would only accept 40 vs 40 if it was staying, if not put it back to 100 vs 100.