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Upcoming Dungeon Changes and Hotfixes
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We’ve been going through a lot of player feedback and concerns regarding changes to Dungeons and the Dungeon queuing system. In response to this feedback, we’re making a number of changes and wanted to give everyone a heads up on the changes that we’re working on to address these concerns.

Reverting Default Loot Method to Need/Greed:
Going into Warlords, we wanted to try to improve the dungeon loot experience by using Raid Finder’s personal loot system that had been successful in Mists. While the personal loot system was successful in eliminating drops that weren’t usable by anyone in the group, and reducing loot contention in some cases, we’ve also heard a significant amount of player feedback about how the system feels unrewarding and unsatisfying.

In response to these concerns, we are reverting the default loot method in Dungeon Finder back to Need Before Greed. As always, players who queue with a full premade group may change group loot settings, and may use Personal loot or any other method if they so prefer. We will be evaluating how to better present and structure dungeon personal loot, and hope to re-introduce the system in the future.

We’re adding an award of 50 Garrison Resources for completing the first Random Warlords of Draenor Heroic Dungeon of the day.
This change is self-explanatory. Yay for more resources!

Adding Call to Arms for In-Demand Dungeon Roles:
The Call to Arms system for roles that are in-demand was not functioning properly for the max-level Warlords dungeon queue and we have a hotfix in the works to address this. In addition, the Satchel of Savage Mysteries will be updated to always contain an Augment Rune, which is a tradeable item that provides a consumable buff that is ordinarily only available through Raid Finder.

Hotfix for being unable to queue from Ashran Cities:
We recently implemented a hotfix that prevents players from queuing for dungeons or Raid Finder while actively engaged in PvP; to prevent players from circumventing item level requirements by using scaling PvP gear. However, this logic was mistakenly counting Stormshield and Warspear as active PvP areas and preventing queuing from there. That is being corrected (the hotfix will require realm restarts).

Keep in mind that these hotfixes and changes are still being tested, and are not live yet. As always, your continued feedback is welcomed and please let us know how these changes play out.

Warlords Season 1 Conquest Gear Fixes
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As many of you reported, at the launch of Warlords of Draenor, there were a few issues that allowed players access to Conquest gear prematurely. Conquest Points (and in some cases, actual pieces of Conquest gear) were being rewarded from various locations, including Ashran, despite there being no active PvP season.

We’ve now corrected those issues, and no more Conquest points are being earned or Conquest gear being awarded. However, to preserve the integrity of the upcoming PvP season, we need to do something about the Conquest points and gear that some players were already able to acquire.

So, before Warlords Season 1 begins on December 2nd, we’ll be converting any remaining Conquest points into Honor, similar to the end-of-season conversions we’ve done in the past. Any excess Honor over the 4000-point cap will be converted into gold at 35 silver per Honor. Any existing Primal Gladiator’s (Conquest) gear will be converted into its corresponding Primal Combatant’s (Honor) counterpart.

We apologize for the confusion that these issues have caused, but are looking forward to a clean start to the PvP season on December 2nd.

Level 1 Blueprint Book Hotfix
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Just in case though, we've implemented a hotfix to add a Book of Garrison Blueprints to the Garrison Blueprint Vendor for characters with a Level 2 Garrison. Characters that for whatever reason did not automatically learn the Level 1 blueprints during the upgrade into a Level 2 Garrison will be able to purchase this book to learn all the building blueprints they're supposed to have access too.

However, there's a known issue where the book isn't being consumed when learned and the item cannot be sold or destroyed at this time. We're working on another hotfix to correct this issue but wanted to get this hotfix out so affected characters can progress.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Battle in Ashran Daily Quest
We're investigating some issues with this daily quest and agree that it's not as clear as it should be.

For everyone's benefit: currently, you need to collect 100 Artifact Fragments and turn them in at your Garrison. As Jinx mentions, turning them in to the NPCs in Ashran itself will remove them from your character and not count for the Apexis daily.

We're also experiencing an issue for some players where the quest tracker will say "0/1 Artifact Fragments" and never update. If you experience this issue, you are still able to complete the quest by collecting 100 Artifact Fragments and turning them in at your Garrison. The quest tracker just won't tell you that you've completed the quest.

We're working on correcting these issues, but in the meantime, following those instructions should allow you to complete the quest. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Mob Corpses Despawning Quickly
Intentional or a bug?
The change to have corpses despawn more quickly was intentional and was made to improve performance in heavily populated areas (where a large number of things are being killed). We're planning to increase the duration again after things calm down. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Postmaster Hotfix
We had a discussion with the Postmaster a bit over a week ago regarding their mailing habits. Seeing that they haven't changed their ways, we're going to have another talk with them. In the meanwhile, I can visualize the Postmaster picking through a deserted dungeon like some sort of reverse Treasure Goblin and mailing things back to you. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Developer Twitter Feed - @WarcraftDevs
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We’re helping consolidate up to the minute game information and interaction with a new Twitter account: @WarcraftDevs. This new account will be your one-follow need for any developer insight, design inquiries, and dev feedback. Many of our devs will continue using Twitter for personal tweets, but any new game info or design insight they have to share will come from @WarcraftDevs. As always you’ll also want to follow @Warcraft for game announcements, news, and community creations.

Follow today and get up to the minute game development and design info!

Raid Lockout Systems Recap
Apparently there is still some confusion as to how raid lockouts work, so Blizzard posted a handy summary.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Lockouts at a Glance
Raid lockouts limit the number of times a character can kill a boss in a week for a chance at obtaining loot from that boss. Throughout the years, different raid lockout systems have been used, and multiple systems exist in the game depending on the system used at the time a raid was introduced.

To check your current raid lockouts press your ‘O’ key in-game, select the Raid tab, and click on Raid Info in the upper right. This will display your current lockouts, and time left until they reset.

There are three types of raid lockouts used in the game.

Loot-based Lockout
Used for: All Raid Finder raids, Siege of Orgrimmar Normal/Heroic, Warlords raids Normal/Heroic.

  • You can kill a boss as many times per week as you like, but only loot it once per difficulty.
  • Anyone can join anyone’s instance.
  • Bosses are never locked to you, and you can always go back and kill them later even if you’ve skipped them by joining a group that had progressed further.
  • Raid sizes can be anywhere from 10 to 30 players, and difficulty automatically scales to match.

Flexible Boss-based Lockout
Used for: Normal difficulty raids from Wrath of the Lich King through Throne of Thunder.

  • You can only kill a boss once per week, and you may not enter an instance where a boss is alive that you have already defeated that week.
  • You can move from group to group during a week as long as you’re joining instances that don’t have bosses alive you’ve already killed.
  • If you enter an instance that is more progressed than your own and get saved to it, you will be locked to all prior bosses.
  • You can move between 10 and 25 raid size, given these constraints.

Strict Instance-based Lockout
Used for: All classic raids (Molten Core through Sunwell), Heroic difficulty of Wrath of the Lich King raids through Throne of Thunder, and all Mythic difficulty raids.

  • Progress is tied to a fixed instance ID. Once tied to an instance ID, you may not enter any other versions of that raid of that difficulty until your raid lock resets.
  • If other players complete that instance while you are absent, the instance will be empty for you as well, because progress is tied to the instance, and not your character.
  • You may not switch between 10-player and 25-player raid size once locked to one size or the other (does not apply to Mythic which is 20-player only).

Poll - Dungeon Loot System
Please keep in mind that the players taking part in the poll are not exactly representative of the entire WoW population.


Warlords of Draenor Marketing
Blizzard stepped up their marketing this time around, with Gorehowl in Times Square and China, Gazlowe's Reality ads actually appearing in newspapers, and a new blog on Tumblr. You can even call 1-844-GAZLOWE to inquire about Draenor real estate!





This article was originally published in forum thread: Upcoming Dungeon Changes and Hotfix, Conquest Changes, Blue Posts, Warlords Marketing started by chaud View original post
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  1. Kagonos's Avatar
    So far Need/Greed option has resulted in me STILL not getting a drop off the boss and a monk rolling on the warforged tank ring that dropped. It was so satisfying to see that ring (after a streak of what felt like 2 full days of chain running heroics) only to have someone else roll need on it. I know it can get frustrating to not get anything after several boss kills, but there's NOTHING more satisfying about seeing loot drop that I just can't use...
  1. videotape's Avatar
    Crazy to me that they are so unwilling to stand by a good design decision in order to appeal to an unfortunately vocal minority. Personal loot is better than Need/Greed, and the vast majority of players seem to agree.
  1. fangless's Avatar
    Even in a guild group Need before greed can backfire. Can't bring two of a same type, or face having to roll against each other.
  1. Jewmunji's Avatar
    Vanilla - Present Player Input/First comment ever! I know everyone will gain an understanding and/or agree with me on this whole issue with Need/Greed.

    1st - WoD is not meant for Need/Greed. The new stat system is/was meant for personal loot. The items are not broken down like they used to be. We go into an instance in the past and try to fight for 1-20 items in 5mans. Now we have 50 items each/player from 4 bosses in a instance(or more). 5x5 = 250 items... In a whole instance that can drop. The funny thing is only 1 for the first few bosses and 2 on the last boss? I was seeing 2-4 dropping off almost every boss! All I can say on this is good luck on getting that specific/gear you wanted now... Because it's a lower % now than before. Not to mention with the dual stats Agility/Str or Agility/Int. You're now fighting for the gear with other players that they can now need. Thus, with people not knowing this change, people are now getting kicked from 5-mans because they think they're needing on "Their" loot

    2nd - WoD being new and for the players with Enchanter's Study EVERYONE can now Disenchant, that being said ninjas are happy because a hunter/rogue is able to need on gear not "specifically" for them (Spirit/use or chance on hit/cast) increases mastery and stacking on materials. Why should you be able to go into an instance and get loot every time? Work for it, you should get gear off of every boss. If your ilvl is 1 or 2 away go to Nagrand and do a quest or 2, hey it may get upgraded and be better . The chances with personal loot was a great system for this expansion 5 people could have got loot for a 1 drop boss. now it's limited 1-2. Make it 3:2 vote at least.

    3rd - Blizzard had a great design/system and they usually do good for implementing systems, but once feedback hits for new players not understanding or have the knowledge. Blizzard jumps to conclusions and change it by going 2 steps backwards as usual. All they can do is implement a window on the side that shows what dropped/special effect/animation. It sucks to say this but, vast majority will agree on this and it's started out feeling like a old school expansion/Burning Crusade feel. The player's hype for this expansion is already being ruined after a week. There are many polls/feedback to bring it back in. Implement a feedback survey in-game before doing a patch/hotfix like this that will give a warning on changes, it will be more accurate as well.
  1. Traveler Voltin's Avatar
    so since need before greed is back
    does that mean i can be an asshole and piss people off?
  1. nekobaka's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiedzemir View Post
    I suggest to check loot tables for the new HCs. Stats itemization in WoD is such that tanks and melee DPS in many cases use the same items because stats on them are viable for both. It happened since blizz got rid of basically all dedicated to tanking stats. So as tank I'm no less frustrated when DPS is rolling on items I need.
    Need befor greed can't function with the new stats system. Too many intersections.
    A group role preference for armor and spirit gear can be added which has existed before. Probably the only reason why it doesnt exist is the same reason the developers didnt put it in back in MoP was their statement along the lines that players shouldnt have to play as a healer in non-healer in order just to get healer gear. Unless pure DPS are able to role on armor and spirit items the system is working as intended and no one is getting "their" items stolen or ninja. Players can still not like it, but these calls that players dont understand personal loot are stupid and retarded goes right back at those who dont understand group loot. The haters are being as or more toxic as the ones they complain about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkvoltinx View Post
    so since need before greed is back
    does that mean i can be an asshole and piss people off?
    Assuming you are implying what I think you are implying then you wont be alone in the see of "assholes" who are doing such in protest proving they are the very players who need control taken away from them.
  1. roahn the warlock's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Arainie View Post
    If you're in a premade group you've been able to change the looting back to Need before Greed or whatever pleases you, if you've managed to miss that you can't have done many dungeons so far :P
    I would call 4/5 a premade group, but 4/5 can't choose.
  1. Traveler Voltin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by nekobaka View Post
    Assuming you are implying what I think you are implying then you wont be alone in the see of "assholes" who are doing such in protest proving they are the very players who need control taken away from them.
    yes it would be in protest like everyone else.
  1. roahn the warlock's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Epsi View Post
    FUCK YOU BLIZZARD.

    I'm running dungeons for a week, waiting for that damn multistrike trinket. It dropt today in warforged and 3 DPS (one of them Enhancer) and the healer rolled on it.
    And it's equally likely in the other method that the other Dps would have gotten it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkvoltinx View Post
    yes it would be in protest like everyone else.
    You've missed the point. casuals always whining the game isn't tailored to them in every possible way.

    You casuals are destined for LFR anyway, get out of heroics if you dont like it
  1. Annarion's Avatar
    How can Blizzard support the personal loot change when you look at the poll here? It's not even close, 65% in support of personal loot as the default choice, over 36,000 votes. I refuse to believe that 36,000 people wrote to Blizzard to say they hate personal loot. For myself, I refuse to roll against idiots, so it's premade groups forever until this is reverted. I feel bad for my alts, now I can't reliably gear through dungeons anymore, especially since there are no quests that reward loot now.
  1. Traveler Voltin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post

    You've missed the point. casuals always whining the game isn't tailored to them in every possible way.

    You casuals are destined for LFR anyway, get out of heroics if you dont like it
    no you missed the point and now you will deal with pain.
    enjoy hell

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    so it returns yay
    http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/351039-upcoming-dungeon-changes-and-hotfixes/#post2531
  1. nekobaka's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    You've missed the point. casuals always whining the game isn't tailored to them in every possible way.

    You casuals are destined for LFR anyway, get out of heroics if you dont like it
    Hey now lets not group up such toxicity as spoken word of all casuals and the majority. It does feel harder and harder later to put gamers in a better light when they act like that though as they condoning harassment. Quite surprised that dispite all the other hostile threads in recent being removed while seeing a spam of hostile threads stay open filled with flaming.
    Quote Originally Posted by Annarion View Post
    How can Blizzard support the personal loot change when you look at the poll here? It's not even close, 65% in support of personal loot as the default choice, over 36,000 votes.
    The pole didnt exist prior and is a representation of a vocal minority that visit sites like MMO-Champion. Not like the developers said it was going to be a permanent change. Had players acted reasonably the feedback would have gotten to the developers and it would have likely changed anyways. Though hey some players live for these occasions to be assholes and take out their hatred on other players without consequence.
  1. SpikeXX's Avatar
    I'm kind of in between with the loot. The theatrics of roll was more satisfying, but actually getting a piece with personal loot was so much less frustrating, (especially when one of the guys I normally run with is the same class).

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