WoW Down to 5.6 Million Subscribers

5 million and that even includes players using tokens....fuck me that's bad.

Stopped playing because there's no chance of raiding Normal outside of a weekly guild schedule and the toxic Group Finder system. They also destroyed LFR so there's no point for me to do that. There's not enough end-game content that's non-raid. Sure there's Apexis but it's pretty bland. No new dungeons at all since release, no solo content. They've take a step backwards compared to MoP, while I didn't think MoP was my favorite expansion I still had more fun there than I did in WoD.

They should really return to MoP style of raiding with a balance of WotLK, dungeon-wise.

Much more than I expected. The "sky-falling" brigade doesn't even need to have sensible arguments against fanbois today.
Should perhaps take a few days off posting. And reading.

Originally Posted by Flimsy

5 million and that even includes players using tokens....fuck me that's bad.

You do realize that even if people use tokens someone has to buy them right?

Bring back long ass Alterac Valleys that took sometimes days to win, reagants for class spells, ammo for hunters, shards for locks, put new patterns for cooking at vendors that can be bought with Epicurean's award, meaningful class quests, bloated spellbooks, lots of dungeons 10+ at launch, attunements to get into raids, quests for profession patterns/designs, and profession specializations please.

Get rid of garrisons, LFR, and not being able to run 10 man mythic.

I can't shake this one bullet point:

Patch 6.2 helped to stabilize the subscriber count in the last few weeks of the quarter.

This indicates it was actually *lower* than 5.6 at one point. Jesus fucking Christ I hate to be "That Guy" but no fucking wonder Bashiok left WHEN he did. The fallout would indeed be radioactive from both forum posters and colleagues alike.

Originally Posted by FixDestruNow

I bet Blizzard doesn´t even know WHAT to fix for the next expansion.

Ultimately, that's my question.

There's so much wrong, where do they even start?

Originally Posted by orca2425

but they have other games now..its not just diablo and wow..alot of players are playing hearthstone.now..

who cares if people are playing Heathstone or Heroes of the storm they are both free games and bad at that.

Originally Posted by shimargh

never more relevant D:
tell them only that...

Wow, Europeans are annoying af.

Originally Posted by babyback

Pay to win? Did Method buy their world firsts with money?

No. Raiding was probably the only thing in this expansion that was even remotely close to correct. Even then LFR should go, and there should be two difficulties tops.

Originally Posted by babyback

You do realize that even if people use tokens someone has to buy them right?

I think he meant as tokens are basically free for the buyer, keeping yourself subbed, despite how shit wod is, is free, so why not (that is what I'm doing as well)? But if only 5.6 million player wants to stay subbed EVEN with paying with gold for it, it's bad. Imagine if you had to pay real money for it, probably a lot more people would completely unsub (I would).
He basically meant noone wants to play wod, even for free. - that's how I interpret it, anyways.

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

More developers are working on World of Warcraft than ever before.

Never heard that one before.

Originally Posted by HitpointSC

No. Raiding was probably the only thing in this expansion that was even remotely close to correct. Even then LFR should go, and there should be two difficulties tops.

Enjoy your soon-to-be-FTP-game-with-shitty-paywall WoW then. People already hate raid or die.

Originally Posted by Zintarios

So after delving through the saltmine that is this comment section.

I have been playing this game for 10 years now and I laugh at the comments, WoW has always been raid or die.
The question that I have for every salty person here who claims that they have nothing to do but did in the past is: What did you do? No one elaborates on that.

Saying Garrisons are a prison is the same as people bitching about major cities being a prison because that's where you stand to afk and look at a wall. and if you don't like standing there then go to stormshield which is the exact same thing as a Dalaran, Shrine, Shattrath City.

They put in farming rep like in Vanilla ,which also has a godly status eventhough it's the mosty grindy and farmy part of the game. So people have been bitching about *OMG VANILLA SO GOOD* and guess what. OMG I HAVE TO FARM REP BY KILLING MOBS WTF. YEAH THAT'S HOW IT USED TO BE. it infuriates me to see people whine like 5 year olds and then when they get what they want they s till complain.

And people are bitching about tanaan and it's dailies, it's the exact same thing as a Apexis/Skyguard(TBC), Tournament of the Argent Crusade(WOTLK), Firelands dailies(Cata),The isle of Thunder(MOP). but yeah suddenly that is completely shit and forced when back then they weren't forced for some reason. HEADS UP: they do the exact same thing make you grind shit for rep and vanity rewards or gear that got useless after you get raid loot.

I have played this game in the same way for 10 years now, well probably not the first year since I was discovering everything, and I still feel like I'm playing wow. I raided ,which I don't currently for over half a year and I'm still not bored of the game. I have the dailies until I'm done with them and rep farms as per usual. And when i'm done with that I do some achievements and pet battles or I go collect transmog gear. After that I play on alts and do shit on them aswell when I'm done on my main. Seriously the game hasn't changed as much as is being claimed it has.

I remember when people complained about the badges/valor points w/e, they have been called many things, that the points forced you to run dungeons to get them so you could get as much gear as possible. OMG YOU ARE FORCING ME TO DO DUNGEONS. They removed that and brought catch up mechanics like timeless isles and Tanaan jungle with the blues that can be epics/ upgraded to epics so people can catch up on gear which is extremely helpfull and good compared to TBC where you had to run old raids to do new raids. OMG IT SUCKS EVERYTHING IS BAD BLA BLA. Honestly why do you have to complain so much. You all pretend that it was so much better but speaking from experience that's total BS since you never were happy. It's just that in these days there are so many alternatives that you can actually go away.

This ties into garrisons. You wanted player housing and stuff where you could have your own shit. They give it to you and it's not good enough. They could have also not given it and just let you afk in stormshield like they did all the previous expansions where you let you afk in IF/ORG(Vanilla) Shattrath/IF/ORG(TBC) Dalaran (WOTLK) SW/ORG(Cata) Shrines (MoP). It's extra content instead of just afking in the hub. They are giving you the extra content you have been bitching about but it's simply not good enough to statisfy people who can't be statisfied anyway.

And that is the main point i'm trying to make. Blizzard has been listening to you and removing/adding stuff to the game but it's never enough so they will keep trying to balance it out but it will never make everyone happy but just X% amount percent of people. And the other X% percent of people who isn't statisfied will complain and you get this situation where blizzard is changing stuff but it never makes everyone happy.

What did I use to do when I was not raiding?

World PvP, Oh oops we have arena now....

I use to do UBRS in Green gear and it was hard... Oh we don't have that kind of content anymore.

It took 14 days to lvl 1-60 back then. .... Oh it only takes 2 days now.

I use to run hard dungeons that gave me drops to make EPIC gear that was really really good, but took a long time to get done..... Oh they don't do that either anymore.

I spent a lot of time on my skill tree, trying to figure out what was the best dps, and what crazy specs might work.... Oh they got rid of talent trees too????

We would get 5 man grps together and farm Elite (that you could not solo) for rep.... Oh all the Elites are easy to kill now??

Seems to me I keep getting the same answer for every thing I use to do back in Vanilla - They don't have that anymore


The problem with Dailies is that dailies use to be for Gold, which you did not need. The gold you need to get was so you could pay for repairs. Gold was really hard to get back then, 1000 gold in Vanilla is like 100k today. They also use to get cool mounts that we actually wanted.

And don't try to tell me Blizzard has been listening. Beta and the PTR would like a word with you.

Originally Posted by Nakotsu

who cares if people are playing Heathstone or Heroes of the storm they are both free games and bad at that.

Blizzard does because they make money off of them.

Originally Posted by mmonym

I doubt WoW will see 10m subscribers again - not on the day of the next expansion release or ever again. We're down to levels not seen since early Vanilla, when the game was expanding, not shrinking due to developers catering to casuals.

Oh, so Mythic raiding getting it's own unique mount and armor sets to differentiate from the other 3 difficulties is catering to Casuals? The whole end-game focused around nothing but raiding is catering to casuals? Please, do tell me how they're catering to casuals. Last I checked, Tanaan Jungle was explorable content available to everyone, not just casuals. Whether you choose to do them for achievements or not is up to you.

Wanna know why subs are dropping fast? There's not end-game content outside of raiding, they've taken on this philosophy that "raiding" is end all, be all. It's not and the sub drops speak for itself. They need to pull their heads into gear and fix end-game or continue to lose subs if they continue to pursue the current end-game system.

I was a 2 account holder for almost 8 years. I unsubbed - for the first time since I started playing - in April, though I had not logged on since Dec (2014).

I unsubbed for 2 reasons:

1) The destruction of LFR
2) No flying

Yea, I know a lot of you will laugh at me about LFR, but truth be told - that WAS my endgame. Regardless of whether or not it was challenging to you regular raiders, it was just fine by me and was really all I had time for. In WoD, I did the first wing of High Maul and that was enough. When you can literally ignore every single mechanic...well, the heck with that. I want some kind of a challenge, ya know?

I thought LFR for MoP was great. Sure, it was much easier than normal or heroic, but it was still fun. Put it this way, when SoO came out you HAD to follow a lot of the mechanics or you would definitely wipe. Not even remotely the same for High Maul.

There were other reasons why I quit, but it was mainly due to the 2 I listed. My point in even making this post is that regardless of the new xpac, I am now DONE with WoW. They screwed a lot of us over and we will not be coming back. It was fun while it lasted, I am very happy that I got to play BoC, Wotlk, Cata, and MoP while the expacs were current. I really enjoyed WoW when it was at it's best, but all good things come to an end.

Might be a bit slow but the thread's going a mile a minute.



Looking at projections for each expansion, it's rather interesting to see where the theoretical 0 subscriber point is. If we look only at Cata's numbers (yellow line), WoW would be dead by January 2017. Looking at only MoP's numbers (blue line), WoW would be dead sometime in 2020. Looking at WoD (green line), WoW would be dead around January 2016 (so in just 4 months). Looking at from Cata to WoD (red line), the 0 subscriber day would be in 2019.

So rather funny how MoP's numbers actually seems to have extended WoW's life when Cata started the descent ... and WoD killed it. So if the next expansion does't rebuild player confidence, WoW's going to be hurting by this time next year. Will certainly be interesting to see where subscriptions are by Q3 of this year since that should shift the lines a little. Blizzard's gonna have to pull a miracle at this point.

Originally Posted by AbsolutVodka

Exactly my point. Extremes seems to be the only way to handle things with Blizzard. Never any middle ground. A lot of problems could have been avoided with a solution that could have appealed both sides of a problem.

And Idk... that taxi in Times Square... that's pretty bold lol.

Well I'm speaking about market research. Survey's, focus groups, data analytics. Marketing isn't advertising (Completely)

Originally Posted by Thelxi

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

More developers are working on World of Warcraft than ever before.

Never heard that one before.

Yes, but now it's more evident than ever before. A new expansion announce less than a year from another expansion's release?

Originally Posted by roahn the warlock

Well I'm speaking about market research. Survey's, focus groups, data analytics. Marketing isn't advertising (Completely)

Sorry, misread. Either way, I feel a focus group would be somewhat wasted on a game of the scale of WoW. The only survey it seems they do is the exit survey when you unsubscribe lol.