Timewarped Badge Rewards, September 2 Hotfixes, Tweets, GW2 Base Game Free to Play

God forbid something takes longer then 1 week to get something in game.

Originally Posted by Fjordkeeper

Why? The game was buy to play to begin with, why would they make it free to play without an addon?

Originally Posted by Spirthealer

I don't think you understand free to play, it always has been as long as you buy the base game, nothing has change here other then that the full base game comes if you just buy the new X-pack and u get 100% of the game. while if u don't want to pay that u get 50% of the game. and even then most parts of the base game are locked up like extra bag space ect.

Originally Posted by thilicen

That wouldn't make much sense. They had a very solid income from people buying the game even at the reduced prices they usually went with. That and the in-game shop has been a very good model that honestly I wish WoW would adapt. There is no need for sub fees if you can put some real stuff up in the in-game store without compromising the rewards from playing the game itself. Making the old content free (some restrictions here though) and having people pay for the addon is the right way to go here.

I think anyone who lurks the news posts daily knows that he just writes some random thing to be the first comment. No mention why did he expect it, cause it would take too much time to write it and someone else would take his glorious first comment.

Originally Posted by Bambs

Yes, it's great for new players. But what about those that already bought the base game for 40-50 don't remeber how much it was. We still have to bus HoT for another 50 while new players get the same base game and HoT for 50.

What about those people who bought this mobile phone model for 500$ and now it's sold for 50$? Simple answer: the older the product, the less worth it is. What about WoW expansion packs? People paid full price for them on release, and now they are merged into vanilla and it's still cheap.

Originally Posted by Xidion1284

It's really just a version of WoW's free trial. You're locked out of a bunch of things until you actually pay for it.

True, although "A bunch of things" is:

* Quite a few chat restrictions (because well, spammers).
* Daily log-in rewards.

That's it.
Yes it's still best compared to WoW's free trial, but that's very little locked away.

Originally Posted by Dragore

God forbid something takes longer then 1 week to get something in game.

That's exactly why you don't fundamentally alter your game to reward impatient people like that for 2.5 expansions. The children howl even harder when the candy is taken away or isn't given to them instantly.

Originally Posted by Dragore

God forbid something takes longer then 1 week to get something in game.

That's fine if something take longer than 1 week, legendary quests, professions, raiding, and attunement (should bring back.) This is dated content, that offers 0 challenge. I don't mind that it takes longer than 1 week to get the mount, that's fine. 1-2 months of having to run them is cool. Though 5k for this mount, and if you a completionist, which most are, you have 2 mounts to get on top of all the toys, you'll need 15k badges.

We will keep it simple, if you wanted to earn the mount this week, you get a free 500, and about 25 per dungeons. Need about 180 dungeon clears to get just the mount. So in 5 days, about 36 clears per day. They could have kept that longer and dropped it down to needing only about 80 clears...but I mean that's getting extreme.

If you didn't do the quest at all and needed the 15k badges, that's 600 dungeons clears. So you need to run super old content, that they did nothing to change or update, or even make a challenge at all. That's worse than the SoO debacle, at least that one had interesting fights.

Originally Posted by Turisten

Where does he get 8 month from?

Mounts cost 5000 badges, and you get 500 for doing 5 tw per week. 10 weeks ~2.5 months and you got a mount. And this is only from the quest. ~4 bosses@5 badges per dungeon x 5 per week = 100. So 600 badges per week. ~8 weeks to get mount.

Because every Timewalking event comes 3-4 weeks apart from eachother. We won't see, WOLK TW event until Oct 21st.

Nexus gets you 40
ATOK gets you 35/40
Gudrake gets you 35/40
Halls of Lightning gets you 35
Utgarde Pinnacle gets you 35
+500

If you did five per an event, you'd get 690ish. 7 1/4 events to get a mount, around 6 months. So if you did it now, you'd get one mount in February

Originally Posted by arcaneshot

It's more like 6-7 because some months end up having two Timewalker events (such as THIS month).

It doesn't, well it starts on the 30th but that doesn't really count. Next month has two.

Those tweets...

Put the mount on the shop like first thought, I'd gladly pay for it instead of grinding old content for months.

What the fuck? This is why WoW is at this shitty situation. Because of morons like this guy.

Originally Posted by Xilurm

Those tweets...



What the fuck? This is why WoW is at this shitty situation. Because of morons like this guy.

Not really, you must be high on crack if you think that's the reason WoW is in this situation. The reason it's in a situation is, no engaging content. Sorry Timewalker Dungeons isn't engaging, the point of them doesn't even make sense. You don't need to do the mechanics, as you character still outdamages the encounter, you just walk in, stomp through everything. Rinse/Repeat. That isn't even fun, and then you put a mount behind it, anybody whose a collector now feels like its mandatory content for them to do.

I don't see why they couldn't have made it 100 for a dungeon clear. Then you only need 50 runs to get the mount. 10 per day if your super extreme, and don't even ahve to do the quest. The grinders, will get it done and the other worst case scenario need to wait about 3 months, if they do 2 per day to get the mount. Nearly have to triple that math now though to get them.

Ugh....running Nexus that much...that instance, sucked in WotLK when it was relative content.

Originally Posted by AzazeltheRuthless

Not really, you must be high on crack if you think that's the reason WoW is in this situation. The reason it's in a situation is, no engaging content. Sorry Timewalker Dungeons isn't engaging, the point of them doesn't even make sense. You don't need to do the mechanics, as you character still outdamages the encounter, you just walk in, stomp through everything. Rinse/Repeat. That isn't even fun, and then you put a mount behind it, anybody whose a collector now feels like its mandatory content for them to do.

I don't see why they couldn't have made it 100 for a dungeon clear. Then you only need 50 runs to get the mount. 10 per day if your super extreme, and don't even ahve to do the quest. The grinders, will get it done and the other worst case scenario need to wait about 3 months, if they do 2 per day to get the mount. Nearly have to triple that math now though to get them.

Ugh....running Nexus that much...that instance, sucked in WotLK when it was relative content.

I'm not talking specifically about timewalking though. But the store is definitely not engaging content.

anybody whose a collector now feels like its mandatory content for them to do.

Well, it's not. I'm sorry, but it's not. Collectors aren't special snowflakes, just because they cba doing work for a mount doesn't mean other people are the same. Great, they just gave us 8 months of something to do while we wait for Legion.

Are you going to tell me next that old raid mounts should be in the store because you've soloed the raid 100 times now and still no drop?

Either way, I'm sure everyone remembers the DMF grind to get all of the mounts and stuff, before they had account-wide mounts...

Originally Posted by Alfakennyone

Either way, I'm sure everyone remembers the DMF grind to get all of the mounts and stuff, before they had account-wide mounts...

DMF dailies don't really compare to timewalker heroics...

I'm not a huge fan of this game...but their business model and design philosophy should really be the new standard. It's really more of a sci-fi game than a steam-punk/fantasy game.

Mounts cost a fortune and take forever to get AND the gear is only useful at the level you attain it. Hmm... well, looks like I'll do 5 of them for the quest and be done.

Getting 500 badges up front is nice for alts, it lets you get all the odd pieces you need and be done.

Originally Posted by Xilurm

I'm not talking specifically about timewalking though. But the store is definitely not engaging content.


Well, it's not. I'm sorry, but it's not. Collectors aren't special snowflakes, just because they cba doing work for a mount doesn't mean other people are the same. Great, they just gave us 8 months of something to do while we wait for Legion.

Are you going to tell me next that old raid mounts should be in the store because you've soloed the raid 100 times now and still no drop?

Major differences between 'soloing' raids and doing Timewalking dungeons. Raids - I'm doing solo, TW - Party of 5. Raids - Drop rates are larger and therefore generate quite a bit of profit on their own. TW - Doesn't even cover the cost of repairs to my gear damage. Solo Raid - MSV takes me about the longest and that's 30 minutes. TW - 25 minutes, as long as your healer doesn't fail....if he fails...have fun wiping.

I didn't say the TW mounts should be in store, I said that they should be a bit easier to get. Instead of taking a full year, they could have easily had setup it to take about 2-3 months to get. 3 full TW week cycles and you should have enough to buy the mount - without obscene grinding. 1500 from the quest and they could have made it so just casually doing it you could get the 3500 you need. On top of that, guess what they can do for Timewalking if everybody got the mounts already....add more mounts...like they do to the store.

The store doesn't have to be engaging content, Blizzard has a separate team that handles mounts. How hard is it for them to reskin a mount? Maybe a month of effort?

They didn't give you 8 months of something to do, they gave you rehashed content, that is not engaging in any shape or form. That you still are to powerful for, back in Wrath or even BC, yo had to worry about CCing those mobs, layering your interrupt correctly. Did you bother perfecting tremor toteming the fear, from the Necromancer in Halls of Lightning? All the shamans I ran with last night didn't even both and just let it go through, because it didn't even matter.

Gotta love this from Ghostcrawler.

"2) Show empathy. But at the same time, don't dismiss or belittle their suggestions, even if they aren't feasible."

Back when warrior's sudden death 5stacks were oneshotting people in arena, I tweeted to Ghostcrawler asking how after the 2nd or 3rd that I'd managed somehow to pre-cd, was I supposed to deal with the 4th or 5th. His reply lacks empathy, dismissed and belittled my tweet. Aka, he called me a liar and said that warriors couldn't do that. Two months later, sudden death procs nerfed. Huehuheueh

You want something and you have to work for it??? Goodness gracious, what has this world come to?

Originally Posted by Tresden

[snip]Aka, he called me a liar [/snip]

Did he?

There's a huge difference between telling someone they are wrong and calling someone a liar.

Gw2 is quite active. Went back a few months ago and was shocked to see so many people out in the world. Some friends and I went around on a world boss tour our first day back, and it was utterly shocking to see the sheer amount of people that were at each event. Multiple full instances with hundreds of people in each one.

I can't remember the last time I saw that many players in one zone in my Warcraft days.

"It's going to take so long to collect all the mounts/toys."

Argent Tournament, much? Six years on and I'm still missing 2-3 mounts.

Plus with 500 badges per event just farm for the mounts on your main and let your alts passively collect badges for the toys by doing a single dungeon a pop.

Originally Posted by beanman12345

The mount was meant for the store. People endlessly bitch about store mounts not being available as in game reward, but they make this one available and the same people bitching.

I don't mind the grind, it will make the mount feel even better. Currently at 1350/5000 badges.