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Blizzcon - Engineering Panel
While we don't have the Blizzcon schedule just yet, we now know there will be an engineering panel this year! We rarely hear official things about engineering outside of the very rare Engineer's Workshop blog post, so this should be a nice opportunity for players interested in the technical aspects of the game to get some more information!



Patch 6.2.2 Hotfixes - The Frozen Halls
It seems that most of the loot from Pit of Saron and some of The Frozen Halls zone drops had their sell price reduced by 90%, along with the removal of sockets (but not the socket bonus) from some items like Polished Mirror Helm.

Level Type Slot Name
219NeckNeck Painfully Sharp Choker
219FingerFinger Purloined Wedding Ring
219ClothFeet Ice-Steeped Sandals
219ClothWrists Wristguards of Subterranean Moss
219BackBack Cloak of the Fallen Cardinal
219ClothChest Palebone Robes
219ClothLegs Rimewoven Silks
219LeatherWaist Flayer's Black Belt
219LeatherLegs Shaggy Wyrmleather Leggings
219MailHead Polished Mirror Helm
219MailChest Shroud of Rime
219MailLegs Black Dragonskin Breeches
219MailHead Horns of the Spurned Val'kyr
219MailWaist Scabrous Zombie Leather Belt
219MailWrists Gondria's Spectral Bracer
219PlateChest Scourgelord's Frigid Chestplate
219PlateHead Skeleton Lord's Cranium
219PlateWaist Bent Gold Belt
219ShieldOff Hand Protector of Frigid Souls
219GunRanged Rimebane Rifle
219Two-handed MaceTwo Hand Garfrost's Two-Ton Hammer
219StaffTwo Hand Unspeakable Secret
219DaggerOne Hand Krick's Beetle Stabber
219PlateWaist Titanium Links of Lore
219ClothShoulders Mantle of Tattered Feathers
219PlateHands Plated Grips of Korth'azz
219WandRanged Coffin Nail


Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
True story... That reminds me of the fun story of how Rawr's Optimizer's progress bar worked. Ask me some time.(Celestalon)
So, how did the Rawr Optimizer progress bar work?
Rawr's Optimizer used a genetic algorithm (mostly the handiwork of to search for potential improvements. That... (Celestalon)
...means that it wasn't an exhaustive search, it was just really good at searching the likely places. But that also means... (Celestalon)
...that it could virtually infinitely keep searching less and less likely options. Solution was to let user specify... (Celestalon)
...a desired 'thoroughness', which controlled how long it'd keep looking if it hadn't found an improvement in a while. The... (Celestalon)
...progress bar was really a timer of how long it'd been since it found an improvement, except never going backward. That's it. (Celestalon)

Ghostcrawler Tweets
Ghostcrawler still occasionally talks about WoW. Remember that he no longer works for or speaks for Blizzard.
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
the problem as I see it, blizzard made design choices based on how they think we SHOULD play vs how we WANT to play.
It's tough. The two at the end of the day aren't all that different. But it's not as is if all players speak with one voice. (OccupyGStreet)
And at times players think they're perfectly happy with what they have but get excited about something they didn't expect. (OccupyGStreet)

Blaming your customers for your bad product is a terrible, terrible way to do business.
I think the point is more that communicating with players (esp. angry ones) isn't really the product. (OccupyGStreet)
Engaging with players can be important and valuable but at the end of the day that isn't the game. (OccupyGStreet)
And yet the developer narrative holds the players at fault for the performance of the actual product.
Product failures are always the fault of the product team. I don't hear any blaming the customer here. (OccupyGStreet)



Dark Legacy Comics #507 - Scapegoat
DLC #507 has been released.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Blizzcon - Engineering Panel, Item Hotfixes, Tweets, DLC #507 started by chaud View original post
Published on 2015-10-05 02:42 AM
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  1. veovis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    I was expecting them to say "We're removing the Engineering profession completely. Sorry about that folks" but then I realized its about game engine/server stuff.
    awww so its not a panel on engineers? well that makes me sad.
  1. Kathranis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    Not really, but it does come from farming the Cataclysm raids, that will probably be next.
    Good news: soon you will be able to farm the Mists of Pandaria raids.
  1. Nightstalker's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    Not really, but it does come from farming the Cataclysm raids, that will probably be next.
    Those Raids have a weekly Lockout. Farming nhc/trash + resetting 10 times an hour is something completely different, especially if you have a spec that can just instagib the entire instance after collecting enough mobs.
  1. Wargz's Avatar
    new bot spot-nerf, repeat
    yeah blizz can`t do anything about hackers, they hack payment do fake account and farm with 90 lvl boosted chars(when they find new spot be new 100 000 bots in 1 week)
    no one in world can do anything vs hackers)
  1. Somarlane's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper Kazai View Post
    I was worried about that for a second as well, but I doubt it will be as severe as this nerf, if it does ever come. You can only run raids once a week, whereas you can run 5-mans almost infinitely. For a botter, a raid would be a much less ideal way to farm gold.
    I'm still leery. Remember when Blizzard "normalized" gold? Because they were concerned about economy stability?

    And then they give us gold from garrisons in WoD so people can actually afford to buy the new WoW Token...
  1. thilicen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Durandro View Post
    Which takes maybe an hour of coding to change some numbers around. Its not as if they've redesigned the instances, its a very minor fix for some kind of issue (probably related to gold farming).

    Blizzard gets a LOT done. You just don't see it until its finished and comes out in one big chunk.
    If the system hasn't changed fundamentally since cata, it's more like altering a few digits in some Database entries, that's a 5-10 minute job. Don't worry about it, people like to go over-board over about these things.
  1. Spirthealer's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Durandro View Post
    Which takes maybe an hour of coding to change some numbers around. Its not as if they've redesigned the instances, its a very minor fix for some kind of issue (probably related to gold farming).

    Blizzard gets a LOT done. You just don't see it until its finished and comes out in one big chunk.
    WOD says other wise mate, they cut that X-pack down to nothing but questing zones and copy past boring dailys.
  1. thilicen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    Not really, but it does come from farming the Cataclysm raids, that will probably be next.
    They would have done that a long time ago if they were going to. The problem here is automated bots running trash runs / resetting instances for unlimited farming. Meanwhile a legacy raid has a lockout limiting the amount of gold that can be picked up in these instances.
  1. TheDeeGee's Avatar
    They clearly have nothing to do at Blizz HQ, as a result they nerf 6 years old content.
  1. Nerraw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SL1200 View Post
    Not really, but it does come from farming the Cataclysm raids, that will probably be next.
    The thing is that they're far harder to bot through than some Wrath dungeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Good news: soon you will be able to farm the Mists of Pandaria raids.
    Mists raid bosses only give 25g, no matter the difficulty. Cata HC raid bosses are... different.
  1. Geckoo's Avatar
    I guess most of you didn't check the entrance to pit of saron lately... just by standind there for a few minutes you could see a constant flow of characters with strange names coming in and out from the instance.
  1. Rioo's Avatar
    Roflmao @ DLC.
  1. Dorky's Avatar
    An engineering panel actually sounds pretty cool, hope people bring some interesting questions. I love behind-the-scenes stuff.

    Also that DLC was savage. Haha.
  1. TheDeeGee's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Geckoo View Post
    I guess most of you didn't check the entrance to pit of saron lately... just by standind there for a few minutes you could see a constant flow of characters with strange names coming in and out from the instance.
    Just because of a couple hundred bots, 5 million other players get punished.

    Why can't they just ban bots?

    Such a lazy fix to nerf content.
  1. thilicen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeeGee View Post
    Just because of a couple hundred bots, 5 million other players get punished.

    Why can't they just ban bots?

    Such a lazy fix to nerf content.
    Punished, who runs those instances for money, really? Doing the cata raids once a week on 25H nets you several thousand gold.
  1. Turaska's Avatar
    Oh look, Blizzard reducing old gear costs again, it'll be old raid gear next... sucking all of the fun out of doing old content, yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewallofsleep View Post
    Reducing vendor value and sockets on nearly 5 year old gear? Why?
    At a guess, because its the new botting hotspot, players being punished for botters again, nice logic really Blizzard.
  1. mmoc32ac407789's Avatar
    considering all the gold nerfs to drops and whatever else , when are we going to see "all gold drops removed from every content that isn't mythic
  1. Ausr's Avatar
    Again, people really need to get over Ghostcrawler and their anger at WoW.
  1. Korru's Avatar
    Blizzard nerfing gold isn't that bad, when there is less gold in the economy, prices go down as well due to deflation, however they should be careful not overdoing it because it might affect wow token sales with people having a hard time affording wow tokens with pre-nerf prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    Mists raid bosses only give 25g, no matter the difficulty. Cata HC raid bosses are... different.
    How much do MoP bosses give in 25 man HC? I think there is a possibility that we may not be able to solo them next expansion until there is a squish.
  1. klepp0906's Avatar
    No clue why gc or any of the Devs even enter or entertain conversation with retards who weren't even Alive when mmos existed.
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