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Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Loot Rules
I've commented on this before, but MS>OS is an extremely vague and fluid concept. For example someone who mains a Protection Warrior might join a raid as Arms because all the tank spots are full. While Protection is technically their MS, they are in the raid as Arms, which causes other players to believe that Arms is the MS of that Warrior. Is that Warrior, or the Master Looter, then in the wrong if they receive a tank trinket?

Likewise, what about players who change specs mid-raid (such as a DPS switching to Healer) to allow the raid to continue if the group can't backfill people who have left, where do these players fit in with regards to MS>OS?

Let's then say that the raid leader fails to update their LFG listing to reflect the change. The change doesn't get explained to the DPS who subsequently join, causing them to feel that something has been ninja'ed when the now-Healer is given a DPS item. Is anyone actually in the wrong here?

These are just some examples of the ambiguity MS>OS can fall into.

Generally, the Master Looter system is intended to be used in groups of people you trust. By joining a PuG raid with Master Looter set, you join knowing that the Master Looter has the power to assign the loot. If you don't seek precise clarification, in chat, on how the loot will be allocated, our Game Masters cannot then assist you on the basis of unspoken assumptions when so many grey areas are in play.

Ninja Looting
https://eu.battle.net/support/en/art...looting-policy (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Dark Legacy Comics #520
DLC #520 has been released.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Crystalized Fel Now Sold For Valor Points, Legion Alpha, Blue Posts, DLC #520 started by chaud View original post
Comments 129 Comments
  1. Jonnusthegreat's Avatar
    Woot, no longer need skill for the legendary, just like all of last expansion!
  1. Sir Riptor's Avatar
    My guess for the new build is

    1 new zone
    1-2 new dungeons
    More specs and artifact quests playable
  1. Vedni's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Woot, no longer need skill for the legendary, just like all of last expansion!
    did it ever
  1. Kelraxx's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vedni View Post
    did it ever
    Nope, not ever.
  1. Adoxe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Woot, no longer need skill for the legendary, just like all of last expansion!
    "no longer" as if it was needed in the first place, ever.
  1. RuneDK's Avatar
    You can AFK through LFR for the legendary ring...while you can't upgrade it unless you do normal...this really doesnt effect the ease or "skill" to obtain the legendary....However it will make gearing up my tank ring so much faster and gives a reason to continue running Valor content for people with alts who have the ring.
  1. Donald Hellscream's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Woot, no longer need skill for the legendary, just like all of last expansion!
    Normal archimonde doesnt take skill to beat, this just makes it much less painful for people with two rings to max out both
  1. Gallahadd's Avatar
    Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff!
  1. thorvath's Avatar
    I'm kind of surprised Blizz hasn't pulled the trigger on just making personal loot the only loot. I mean this expac proved they are plenty willing to simply decree 'you'll do it this way and you'll like it' and this seems like a no brainer.

    No more ninjas, largely eliminates guild drama over loot, loot funneling would no longer be a thing (admittedly not a problem per se but I'd sure find the mythic race more interesting if there were a few guilds participating outside of the ones who are able to schedule multiple full clears in week 1). And on Blizz's end it would likely lead to people subbing for longer and get a longer lifespan out of a raid.
  1. thorun's Avatar
    Why all the butt hurt? who cares if casuals get stuff. really. its a game. They can even buy the mount for all i care. Im long past about caring for silly things like this.
  1. Sir Riptor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff! Please have Prot Pally stuff!
    *New Build has Holy paladins but not Prot Paladins*
  1. Saishiro's Avatar
    The Dark Legacy strip irks me! Donald clearly forgot to hit enter before he started typing and not the slash as Nyte claims.. tut tut
  1. Blade Wolf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thorvath View Post
    I'm kind of surprised Blizz hasn't pulled the trigger on just making personal loot the only loot. I mean this expac proved they are plenty willing to simply decree 'you'll do it this way and you'll like it' and this seems like a no brainer.

    No more ninjas, largely eliminates guild drama over loot, loot funneling would no longer be a thing (admittedly not a problem per se but I'd sure find the mythic race more interesting if there were a few guilds participating outside of the ones who are able to schedule multiple full clears in week 1). And on Blizz's end it would likely lead to people subbing for longer and get a longer lifespan out of a raid.
    If there is loot drama in the guild due to ML, then thats a problem with the players not the system. I can agree with PL in pugs however, atleast non mythic pugs.
  1. TheWindWalker's Avatar
    At least they finally stopped hugging "real raiders" and gave the majority of their players something to do besides log on and run BGs for the best PVE gear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Woot, no longer need skill for the legendary, just like all of last expansion!
    And all the way back to Vanilla~
  1. the0o's Avatar
    That statement on loot is complete horseshit.

    Generally, the Master Looter system is intended to be used in groups of people you trust. By joining a PuG raid with Master Looter set, you join knowing that the Master Looter has the power to assign the loot. If you don't seek precise clarification, in chat, on how the loot will be allocated, our Game Masters cannot then assist you on the basis of unspoken assumptions when so many grey areas are in play.
    I can personal point out several different occasions where players have reported ninjas, with proof posted in chat and in the group finder listing, stating that loot is MS-OS, had stolen loot and GMs did nothing about it. Hell everyone on my friends list has had at least one piece of gear ninja'ed this expansion. The forums (both here, the official message board and reddit) is fulled with pictures/videos of dudes ninjaing gear. We know its your policy to not report punishments given to players, that's cool and all but dont use that as a smoke screen to hide your lack of action.

    I will use my report as an example :

    Got into a heroic highmaul group that stated in the group finder listing as MS-OS.
    As we were summoning, multiple people got the RL/ML to state MS-OS.
    We pull and killed the boss, the DPS was horrid, the healers sucked and one tank carried us to a kill.
    ring and plate helm drops.
    RL/ML takes the ring, abandons the helm and leaves.
    At least 3 people report the ninja.
    Player still had the ring until he replaced it in BRF a couple of weeks later (was watching his armory).

    In my example, the language could not be any clearer but nothing was done. One case in a thousand with the same result. the asshat gets what he/she/it wants and a group has had its time wasted.

    I play on a small realm, with little active players on the horde side. Raiding is something I enjoyed but I cant get enough players to form a decent guild group so am forced to pug. I lead groups here and there but am usually need one or two bosses and I hate to be an ass and drop a group after getting what I want.

    Yeah so you are either understaffed, ignoring tickets, or incompetent. I hope its not the latter, I have seen you pull some amazing acts of justice (see Ashes of Alar story from about 2 years ago) and almost every encounter I have had with a GM has been pleasant even if I did not get the answers / actions I wanted. So please stem the tide of toxic players that destroy this game.
  1. Swizzington's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Saishiro View Post
    The Dark Legacy strip irks me! Donald clearly forgot to hit enter before he started typing and not the slash as Nyte claims.. tut tut
    Fucking Donald, man.
  1. Remelus's Avatar
    this dlc is probably the funniest to date. And i hve reported ninjas before, only to et replied: they are loot master, and unless they willing forfeit the item, they cant do nothing because loot master decides how loot gets distributed.
  1. Fang7986's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by the0o View Post
    That statement on loot is complete horseshit.



    I can personal point out several different occasions where players have reported ninjas, with proof posted in chat and in the group finder listing, stating that loot is MS-OS, had stolen loot and GMs did nothing about it. Hell everyone on my friends list has had at least one piece of gear ninja'ed this expansion. The forums (both here, the official message board and reddit) is fulled with pictures/videos of dudes ninjaing gear. We know its your policy to not report punishments given to players, that's cool and all but dont use that as a smoke screen to hide your lack of action.

    I will use my report as an example :

    Got into a heroic highmaul group that stated in the group finder listing as MS-OS.
    As we were summoning, multiple people got the RL/ML to state MS-OS.
    We pull and killed the boss, the DPS was horrid, the healers sucked and one tank carried us to a kill.
    ring and plate helm drops.
    RL/ML takes the ring, abandons the helm and leaves.
    At least 3 people report the ninja.
    Player still had the ring until he replaced it in BRF a couple of weeks later (was watching his armory).

    In my example, the language could not be any clearer but nothing was done. One case in a thousand with the same result. the asshat gets what he/she/it wants and a group has had its time wasted.

    I play on a small realm, with little active players on the horde side. Raiding is something I enjoyed but I cant get enough players to form a decent guild group so am forced to pug. I lead groups here and there but am usually need one or two bosses and I hate to be an ass and drop a group after getting what I want.

    Yeah so you are either understaffed, ignoring tickets, or incompetent. I hope its not the latter, I have seen you pull some amazing acts of justice (see Ashes of Alar story from about 2 years ago) and almost every encounter I have had with a GM has been pleasant even if I did not get the answers / actions I wanted. So please stem the tide of toxic players that destroy this game.

    NO your comments in the example are vague and could totally be clearer. MS>OS is vague and meaningless and does nothing because nothing is spelled out. Master Loot means just that they are master looter and can change rules anytime they want, don't want to worry about don't do anything if master loot is on.
  1. Jasper Kazai's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Saishiro View Post
    The Dark Legacy strip irks me! Donald clearly forgot to hit enter before he started typing and not the slash as Nyte claims.. tut tut
    Hitting slash opens chat with a slash already typed in. No need to hit enter first.
  1. hebere's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat View Post
    Woot, no longer need skill for the legendary, just like all of last expansion!

    just stop tryhard.

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