BlizzCon 2016 - World of Warcraft: Legion - What's Next

I feel like I'm the only one not really sold on this. Flying was expected to come, tomb of sargeras and quest hub reveal - kinda cool, micro holidays depend on what they do with them. But other than that? Timewalking is recycling old content, "pvp brawls" will be played only depending on rewards (like brawls in all other blizzard games), not to mention the AB was probably the only interesting one, 15v15 arena (or southshore vs tarren mill, which is pretty much 40v40 arena really) is just lazy. Brawler's guild will probably be mostly recycled again, it's also more of a thing you do only once and never look back. The class mounts and artifact weapon skins don't really add anything interesting gameplay-wise for me. Adding class utility could be more specific.

I don't think Legion is a bad expansion or that the features are plain bad, just...meh.

So other than the new raid tier, most of the rest should have been on release. Really don't care for mounts that everyone else has

Btw, as i'm really happy (for my alts) for the return of flying, i'm also quite sure that you can't fly in Argus. And maybe not even in ToS island. Also it may be just like Tanaan Jungle, so you need to finish your pathfinder part 2 here to fly there and whole broken isles too.

Originally Posted by Darkguyver2020

No we don't. Shut up!

Yes, we do!

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Originally Posted by Jotunhammer

so basically nothing
they promise faster expansions but they mean faster hot fixes
there is no expansions or anything really content, there is really nothing because they have one mouse left driving this whole development department.

LOL WUT? Did you even read that? It's more content than 2 patches under the old way they did things. New Raid, new zone, new 5-man, new quests. New artifact ability branch...

based on teh twitter posts it looks like mounts will have variations of the model based on Spec.

I dont know why but as always i am SHOCKED at how negative people are. What is ABUNDANTLY clear is that the naysayers will NEVER be content no matter what content arrives, no matter how fast, how varied to meet many player types etc. Just ... just.... idk go the fuck away already

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I am quite shocked at the amount of complaining in this thread. We have some of the most entitled bunch of brats that you could ever imagine for a player-base. Even if I personally don't care for some of their plans, or feel unsure about it, the simple fact that they are showing me so much of what is planned for the foreseeable future gives me so much respect and appreciation for them. Nobody will ever create the perfect game for me, and with the staggering amount of differing opinions that they have to work with for one of the largest player-bases of any game, it is extremely arrogant to expect a game that is tailor-made just for me.

I voiced my opinion about WoD, and I didn't hold back. It was a bad expansion, and I let them know how I felt. I have played this game for over ten years, I am not "jumping on the bandwagon" I don't do "flavor of the week" or whatever all of the morons love to call people to invalidate their opinions, and appear to be superior to everyone else. I know what I like, and what I don't like. Legion has exceeded my expectations(MY expectations, not YOURS!). I couldn't even imagine complaining the way so many of you are in this thread. To do so would be utterly classless and very inappropriate.

It is mind-boggling to me that anyone would continue to play the game if all they post about is how disappointed and upset they are, and how horrible World of Warcraft is. Like really? out of all of the stuff they just showed us, you are cross over ONE FREAKING MOUNT in a game with HUNDREDS. Good lord, it's one stinking mount, forget about it, and move on to what you do like! There is so much variety, and so many fans that want different things. So of course you are not going to like every single thing in this game.

I want to ensure that it is made known, that there are many long time Warcraft fans, who hated Warlords of Draenor, and absolutely love Legion and the changes Blizzard has been making. We are very much happy and I am very excited for the future of Blizzard games. I didn't play any games for over a year, and I was really concerned that my days of gaming were long over. Try as I might, I couldn't find the desire and passion for gaming that I so missed. The past number of years and previous expansions playing World of Warcraft, while I did enjoy, did not inspire the same excitement and wonder that I got from Vanilla-WotLK. Until now that is! I can hardly believe the fun I have been having, and how much it actually compares with the gaming experiences that have long since passed for me. Blizzard has revitalized the gaming spirit within me. Legion has restored my desire and passion for Warcraft, and it feels really good!

Originally Posted by Scifix

Wow, paladins got SHAFTED on the class mount, looks like something out of the wow store, that is ugly as sin while (mostly) all other classes got something cool and relatively original

paladins got shafted? did you look at what mages got? I don't even play a mage and I feel sorry for them

Originally Posted by Maximelene

Nighthold is coming out early 2017. It's been there since 7.0, just not opened, so it doesn't need to be featured in a patch. I don't get why so many people have a hard time with the concept of "content already implemented, just not opened yet".

I just find it silly that we get patches for minor shit, and then they don't put a pretty major raid in a patch. Even they would profit hugely from that - they'd be able to say: "Look, we had 3 raid tiers."

Originally Posted by Maximelene

And no, they're not the same thing. Why would you think they were? They don't have the same name, Tomb of Sargeras just got revealed, they're not at the same place, they don't even remotely look the same.

Umm, maybe because Gul'Dan has been sitting in the Tomb of Sargeras since the expansion started, and maybe because the Nighthold as it is right now is half-elves and half-Legion, with Gul'Dan being the last boss. Maybe with how the Tomb of Sargeras is exactly across a bridge from Suramar. Maybe all of this justifies why someone would think for a moment, with the lack of any patch specifically for Nighthold, that the two raids are the same, and that the Nighthold was supposed to be, from the getgo, an invasion of the city and then the storming of the Tomb.

Now convince me how I was stupid to find the idea that Gul'Dan would move in with Elisande ridiculous.

No Flying Mounts has been really awesome. I really wish it was a possibility that it would never return. Flying Mounts really cheapen the potential of the experience. Flying gives players too much power over different types of scenarios they face out in the game world. It allows you to better dictate the rules of combat, and in many cases, trivialize game mechanics, and situations to the extent of completely nullifying what was intended. One of the best examples of this is when you engage in World PvP, where if you die, you can just fly away after, it doesn't really give you any sense of danger, or much incentive to pick and choose your battles. Since TBC I have been keenly aware of this "Combat Investment" as I like to refer to it. Meaning any kind of encounter you engage in, whether players, or NPCs, where attacking means that you are invested in the battle. If you die, it actually has some consequences. You think twice about ganking that Gnome, or working your way through difficult NPC's. When you can enter and exit combat by air, it completely negates the investment part. Stealth was a huge deal before flying, because it allowed you to pick and choose your fights. Blizzard adding flying was one of those things that ended up ruining many parts of the game. But it was too late, they couldn't remove it after everyone got accustomed to it.

There isn't flying in dungeons, raids, battlegrounds, arenas, etc. etc... and that is the reason for it. It allows you to cheese many aspects of the game. Unfortunately most of the people that want flying, mainly want it for this reason, for the convenience. I think these are the same people who aren't at all interested in the story, lore, or longevity of the game. It's instant gratification types of rewards, and they get bored super fast. World of Warcraft isn't a role playing game for them, it's just another game that they play for very specific aspects of the game play. This generalization is probably a bit of a stretch, I will admit.

I really enjoyed the news, and Hazzikostas is turning out to be a great game director.

cool looking reskin for the mage mount there -.-

Originally Posted by Scifix

Wow, paladins got SHAFTED on the class mount, looks like something out of the wow store, that is ugly as sin while (mostly) all other classes got something cool and relatively original

What about mages?, reskin for Mops ugly flying disk...

Originally Posted by Wikiy

I just find it silly that we get patches for minor shit, and then they don't put a pretty major raid in a patch. Even they would profit hugely from that - they'd be able to say: "Look, we had 3 raid tiers."

Patches and Raid tiers have nothing to do with each other. It's not because the Raid isn't in a patch that it can't be its own tier.

And why would Blizzard put a patch for a Raid when it can simply be in the 7.0? That makes no sense. Patches add content. The Nighthold is complete, it's in the game, it doesn't need its own patch...

You're just unable to separate Raid tiers and Patches. It's so hard...

Originally Posted by Wikiy

Now convince me how I was stupid to find the idea that Gul'Dan would move in with Elisande ridiculous.

Listen, if you're unable to differentiate the Nighthold from the Tomb of Sargeras, only because one guy moved from one to the other, it's your problem.

I very much prefer to be able to fly. I understand the costs associated with it in terms of game design and certain kinds of experiences, but the game isn't better just because it takes five minutes to get anywhere. Adding the downtime of travel into any kind of extended gaming experience makes me not want to bother. Especially when it come to Highmountain, where parts of the zone are connected by caves or hidden paths, and tons of pitfalls and pratfalls, I just largely avoid the zone entirely. That will thankfully change once I can finally fly. We all know there will be no flying in the new zones, so it isn't like most people will suddenly be free to evade the content that's current for them, anyway.

As for the rest of it, I feel like things are coming at a good pace. Raid tiers don't matter a whole lot to me, but I like seeing the plot move forward and I'm not going to get bored anytime soon. Granted, I'm the sort of player who gets in maybe 4 hours of play per week, lately, so maybe my perspective is not too typical.

Originally Posted by burlap

We really do though.

No, we don't

Looks like Argus is Patch 7.3/X instead of an expansion. I don't mind that, it'll be interesting to see how we 'finish off' the Legion. The PVP stuff looks pretty neat, especially the Eye of the Storm gravity thing. Already did Kara, Court and Arcway on Mythic, but I guess I can finally complete them on my alts in Heroics. And that Guardian skin, dayum. Patch 7.1.5 seems like a relaxing patch, with balances and small updates which I don't mind. It's already better than WOD's Selfie and Twitter integration patch.

Originally Posted by Avenirer

No, we don't

Yea, we do. And it's happening. So get over it.

It looks like druids just update their flight form to a fancier version of the owl glyph, paladins get a horse with intricate armor, and warlocks get a horse with intricate armor. I COULD be wrong, but hopefully there's more to them then just their screenshots, especially for the two horses.

Originally Posted by Jotunhammer

so basically nothing
they promise faster expansions but they mean faster hot fixes
there is no expansions or anything really content, there is really nothing because they have one mouse left driving this whole development department.

New dungeon and raid is nothing, right.

I don't even know, what the fuck you are doing. Are you in the top 1% of players, who finished freaking everything already? Because I sure as hell am grinding the living shit out of this game and am drooling over new-to-come content already.