Legion Developer Q&A - Ion Hazzikostas
Ion Hazzikostas was back once again today to answer your questions! Keep in mind that the notes below are rough and you should watch the video for the full context.



Communication and Patch 7.1.5 Release
  • The team wants everyone to feel heard and will continue to working on improving communication.
  • The next Q&A will be shortly after the holidays, probably in the first few weeks of January, around the release of Patch 7.1.5.

Secondary Stats and Item Changes
  • The change to secondary stats should ultimately not hurt specs that heavily rely on Crit.
  • The first step of these changes was to reduce the amount of secondary stat percentage you get per rating. The second step was to increase the budget of items across the board by 5% or so.
  • If you have 47% Crit right now, you are probably only going to lose a few percent after this change. This will be offset by the extra primary stats you get. Your overall power shouldn't be meaningfully affected.
  • Overall this change was aimed at shifting the balance of how much of an item's power comes from a secondary stat to help make item level a more consistent guide for what you should equip.
  • For the most part a 15 item level upgrade should be something that you can blindly equip and trust that it is the right thing to do. Most 10 item level upgrades should also be the same way. Once you get below that it may come down to the stats or sockets.
  • There is a lot of numbers tuning that is yet to happen.
  • Overall your raid group should have the same or a slightly easier time after Patch 7.1.5 comes out compared to the week before the patch came out.
  • Overall the team is mostly happy with balance on live right now, in terms of the overall DPS picture. There are a couple of specific outliers, such as extreme Surrender to Madness cases.
  • None of the changes in Patch 7.1.5 had the goal of nerfing or buffing a spec or class, it was mostly about fixing talent weightings, secondary stat values, and making itemization more intuitive.
  • Legion flattened out the rate at which secondary stats scale over the max-level period of the expansion. The team wanted to start you out with higher levels of Crit and Haste and not let you get to such extreme levels at the end of the expansion. In the past specs would not play well at lower gear levels early in the expansion and then end up hitting soft caps near the end of the expansion.
  • On non-jewelry items, the higher item level that you get, the larger share of an item's budget comes from primary stats. On jewelry there were no primary stats for it to go into, so jewelry scaled worse than other items. If you got a helm that is 20 item levels higher than your previous helm, it might have 20% more stats. If you got jewelry that was 20 item levels higher, it might have only had 12% more stats. This made secondary stats matter much more important than item level for jewelry. This was fixed in Patch 7.1.5.
  • Primary stats give tanks avoidance, which isn't super valuable for tanks. In the longer run the team can make primary stats have more of a direct mitigation value for tanks. In the mean time, the change to items has reduced the amount of budget that goes into secondary stats. You will get more Stamina and Armor, which does have value to tanks.

Class Changes
  • The class changes coming in Patch 7.1.5 are a result of the large sweeping changes that came with Legion. Some classes were stripped down and rebuilt, which resulted in some things not being right. The team didn't want to leave things wrong until the next expansion, so they are making changes to improve them in Patch 7.1.5.
  • Legion dropped a boulder in the lake, making ripples (class changes). These ripples will get smaller as the expansion goes on.

Warlocks
  • Warlocks have a few issues that hinder each spec.
  • Affliction got some mechanical and numerical improvements in 7.1.5. Soul Effigy has been getting a lot of feedback. The idea behind that talent is allowing a DoT class to use the multi-dotting on single target fights. Patch 7.1.5 makes it so that you can only target your own Soul Effigy, making it a little easier to switch to. Other options in that row should be stronger so that they feel like alternatives if you don't like that gameplay.
  • For Demonology, Demonic Empowerment is a source of frustration, you spend a lot of time ramping up, you feel like you are juggling a lot of things. This and the Destruction Warlock problem are larger problems that can't be fixed with tweaking some numbers. The team needs to think about how the rotation flows, make changes, and continue to iterate.
  • Patches like 7.1.5 and 7.2.5 are targeted to come out around 10 weeks after the last major patch, containing whatever can be finished by that date. Whatever is not completed in time gets pushed to the next patch.
  • Shadow Priests and a few other classes got a lot of attention this time around. Warlock issues will get fixed during the expansion, but the team didn't feel like they could get the changes done in time for this patch.
  • Rather than having three different resource models for Warlocks, the team tried to consolidate them into one for Legion. Destruction lost something with being unable to generate partial Embers. In a later patch, the team wants to try to let Soul Shards behave like Embers did in the past, allowing you to generate partial Soul Shards.

Havoc Demon Hunter
  • The team has tweaked things like Fel Barrage to break some of the synergies that push players towards the Momentum build. It will remain a viable build.
  • The team is working on numbers tuning for Patch 7.1.5 so that you don't feel locked into Momentum if you don't like Momentum.

Talent Diversity
  • Simulations and top players in the world can execute high skill requirement rotations almost perfectly, but most players won't. Sometimes the "best" choice is only the best if it is executed perfectly.
  • Other options that can be executed more consistently may be a better choice for most players.
  • There is more talent diversity than you would think if you just look at various class guides.

Balance Druid
  • The nerf to The Emerald Dreamcatcher is an attempt to narrow the gap between the high end and low end of legendary items.
  • Your spec shouldn't only be viable with a certain legendary.
  • This can be fixed by nerfing the legendary some and buffing the spec some. This way the player with the legendary doesn't have a power change and everyone without the legendary becomes a little bit more powerful.
  • This change shouldn't be a nerf for anyone.
  • Tuning for Balance Druids isn't done yet.

Item Stats and Sets
  • The latest PTR build changed many of the Nighthold loot stats. This way the items cover some of the stats that you want.
  • With six items in the set, you will have more choices to pick the four for the set bonus.

Unholy Death Knights
  • The legendary bracers fall under the same category as the Balance Druid legendary change.
  • Festering Wounds is something that is on the team's radar. A lot of the feedback is tied to the Unholy Artifact active ability.
  • The reason for the variance in number of Festering Wounds is to create some variation in your rotation, adding some decision making.
  • One good community suggestion is capping the number of Wounds consumed at 4 and having 2 Ghouls summoned, making it never necessary to go to 8.

Outlaw Rogue
  • Roll the Bones will not have the RNG lowered. The ability is themed around rolling dice and is something signature to Outlaw.
  • The team will continue to improve Slice and Dice so that there is another viable option in that row if you don't enjoy the gameplay of Roll the Bones. Maybe adding more Haste or something to make it feel more powerful.

Paladin
  • Greater Blessing of Might is a failed design. The thought was to capture some of the hybrid element of the class, but at the same time the team was nervous about balance.
  • If you are buffing someone significantly by being there, can you do the same amount of damage as a pure DPS class? If the answer is no, a lot of people might not want to sign up for that. If the answer is yes, you are just better than everyone.
  • The team tried to credit the contribution of the Paladin to the Paladin, which resulted in whoever got the blessing being unhappy. The Paladin isn't happy either, so no one is happy.
  • The team hasn't come up with a good solution for Patch 7.1.5, but they will continue to work on it and scrap it for a better design.

Surrender to Madness
  • Reduced Insanity drain in the first 18 seconds isn't helping lower skill Surrender players.
  • Surrender is really iconic, flavorful, and one of the cooler talents in the game.
  • There probably won't be a point where Surrender is not the best option for a single target short Patchwerk style fight. On a ten minute fight that will be a different story.
  • The goal is robust alternatives to Surrender to Madness, but they aren't quite there yet.
  • There should be talents that are better in a longer fight. In an average length fight it should come down to your desired playstyle.

Monk
  • Storm, Earth, and Fire has a number of mechanical issues. The team is working on getting them fixed for Patch 7.1.5, but if it isn't done it time it will be tuned around the bugs so that it isn't a DPS loss until it can be fixed.

Rune of Power
  • Some of the problem with this is tuning. Rune of Power is meant to be a situational talent, for fights where you won't be moving too much.
  • With the current tuning it feels necessary in every fight, making it feel bad when you have to move.
  • The underlying design might be better with a different cooldown and duration.
  • In the short term the team will look at tuning of the other talents.

Holy Paladin Healing
  • It isn't likely that more HoT and AoE healing is coming for Holy Paladins.
  • Strong single target healing is one of the hallmarks of the Holy Paladin and the team doesn't want to dilute that.
  • Healer balance and diversity is pretty good right now.
  • Even in dungeons the single target healing gets the job done adequately.

Marksmanship Hunter
  • The team is mostly happy with Marksman Hunters now.
  • Aimed Shot is meant to be a tradeoff. BM hunters are more mobile, but Marks has advantages that offset the lower mobility.
  • There is some tuning to be done to make the other specs feel more viable in other situations.

Artifact Power and Knowledge
  • The current plan is to create a system that won't reward you for holding on to your Artifact Power until Patch 7.2.
  • In Patch 7.2 your 20 point final trait may be converted into the new trait.
  • There will never be a reason to sit on Artifact Power.
  • Patch 7.1.5 makes catching up on alts much faster. If you are AK20, you can buy AK15 for your alt.
  • Alts shouldn't have to do everything a main character did to earn something, but there still should be a reasonable amount of gameplay.

Alt Gameplay
  • The team could make reputation sources at max level account bound so that you could send them to alts when they are no longer needed.
  • Unlocking World Quests and Suramar dungeons is account wide, other things like tradeskills don't make sense to unlock account-wide.
  • There are lots of players that want to make an alt to progress on another character when there are no short term progressions they can make on their main.

Long Loading Screens
  • The team is actively working on a fix, but it is proving challenging. If it affected all players it would be easier to track down, but it isn't an issue for everyone.
  • There have been attempts to fix it so far, but it hasn't been fixed for everyone.

Legendary Items
  • It is okay for legendary items to not be the best for every situation.
  • If you have a legendary that improves your AoE, it probably isn't the best on a single target fight.
  • As players get more legendary items, you might change out what legendary you have equipped based on the situation.
  • It may have been a mistake to make legendary items that always increase throughput. Items like Sephuz would have been very exciting in the past, but it is no longer exciting because of the alternatives you have, such as the Fire Mage bracers.
  • If you were choosing between Sephuz, Prydaz, and some of the situational legendary items it would be a more even choice, but the legendary items that provide more throughput make this
  • Players feel bad when they get Sephuz instead of a universally useful legendary.
  • The team will continue to tune legendary items so you don't feel that you aren't viable without one, such as the legendary braces for Unholy.
  • Quality of Life improvements come from legendary items, just like they have from set bonuses and other items in the past. Most set bonuses are things players would like to have baked into their class, this is how the game has worked.
  • Maybe in a future iteration these effects will be baked into the class.
  • Legendary effects are intended to be exciting and valuable.
  • Over time the team will continue to increase the drop rate of legendary items. Someone who starts the game later this year will be more likely to get their legendary item than someone did back during Legion launch week.
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  1. Traxwow's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kaldonir View Post
    I don't think I will ever get back to the level of excitement that was met when I got my legendary.
    buffed to 85% and no longer does physical damage
    so much more fun now
  1. Arvandor's Avatar
    i pray every day that we dont see artifact weapons, rng legendary drops and the greatest fcking thing called class fantasy, in the next xpac!

    the player defined the class, not the other way round!
  1. Gadzooks's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by sinddk View Post
    Yeah its unthinkable that warlocks actually have alot of problems that havent been adressed since alpha.

    Holy fuck some people on this forum are pants on head retarded.
    Or being addressed this patch. They will be addressed "some time this expansion".

    Isn't it about time they admit that Celestalon is in over his head, is fucking up, and they need someone in there who's faster, more efficient, and has some creativity?
  1. Kathranis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Hell, I'm still amazed that Lore got such a job just because he was a glorified vlogger on a site that he didn't even produce other content for.
    Sounds like a Community Manager to me.
  1. Gadzooks's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Sounds like a Community Manager to me.
    Hey, Lore does a great job, telling people what Holinka really meant to say.
  1. Kauko's Avatar
    Solid Q&A. I just hope, we won't have to wait to long for this alt AP catchup thingy... Gathering AP for every spec is the only thing that really bothers me in Legion. Sure there are some quirks with certain classes, pvp, world pve etc. but its not even close to what some naysayers are trying to convince us. Legion is not yet on the level of MoP, but I sure hope it gets there. All that content they are throwing at us sure keeps me busy...
  1. Arrashi's Avatar
    Well, i wish they tried to fix the long loading screens issue a little harder than that. I can undestand a problem like this being here for few days, maybe a week. But now its getting absurd.
  1. Gadzooks's Avatar
    Conspiracy theory time...

    I find it odd, that the lead narrative dev, Kosak, left the game, and there's very little comment, either from Blizzard, or from the fanbase, other than "thank god!".

    I didn't really think about it, after Metzen leaving, it's kind of hard to top that.

    But their lead narrative guy...the guy in charge of story...left before the expansion is even halfway done. Which means he didn't finish the story.

    What the hell is going on in irvine? Did Kosak leave because a really shitty end to the expansion was being forced on him? The first major patch of the game is for tweaks, but a signature class of the game, warlocks, are broken and won't be fixed until later, and their lead dev said that about another class.

    They started Legion strong, but the wheels are falling off, and they're spraying sparks everywhere. It's bad enough that a fan boy like Kosak bailed? (or worse, forced out).

    What the hell Blizzard?
  1. mmoce193b9fd19's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by antelope591 View Post
    Starting to agree....the legendary system is not something that can keep getting pushed down the road especially with more legs coming next patch. Its something that should be priority #1 to fix before 7.1.5 even comes out. The fact that they don't recognize this is troubling.
    When will they finally get it. "Over time the team will continue to increase the drop rate of legendary items. Someone who starts the game later this year will be more likely to get their legendary item than someone did back during Legion launch week." This not a fix to legendaries.
    Being better of just creating a new character, because you got unlucky on your legendaries is the most broken mechanic, that has ever been in WoW.
    I hope they're going to acknowledge that at some point, especially if you're planning to play off specs or need to roll another spec, because of their numbers tuning.
  1. Tisane's Avatar
    Can't wait for alts to receive catch-up mechanics. At this point I'm just logging off when I'm done progressing for the day on my main instead of switching to an alt simply because the catching-up feels too tedious.
  1. mmocde0e53a346's Avatar
    Wow, not a single word about (fury)warriors. I'm kind of fed up with the developers by now. One or two months ago they talked about a redesign of fury in 7.1.5 to address the daring issues the spec has. Now they don't even mention the spec in the interview regarding class changes, implying that there won't be any changes for fury warriors at all (except some minor talent changes). The spec is so clunky to play in PvE and utter garbage in PvP it's not even funny. This whole development, or rather lack of development, makes me really mad. I might take a break from WoW for a while - it's just too frustrating.
  1. mmoc4271df43de's Avatar
    If you have 47% Crit right now, you are probably only going to lose a few percent after this change
    nice and what my assa rogue with 162% mastery for agonizing poison with this new change i will drop maybe to 140% and i will lose about 10% pure dmg, i am moved with progress two months back and from set bonuses is 50% mastery removed and changed to useless haste
  1. GreenJesus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    They NEED to speed up the drop rate on people's first legendarys. My hubby is about to rage quit for good after I got him to start playing again 2 months ago. I have 1 legendary, and every day he plays without getting one makes him dislike the game more. He just wants to get better at the game while being too busy for raids and dungeons, and it hasn't been a problem until now where there is literally no way for him to "control" how he can get a legendary. It's just stupid at this point, and they need to realize that.
    If he isn't doing dungeons or raids then he is only doing his emmisary quest and logging off?? No wonder he hasn't gotten a legendary. You only get a chance at legendaries from Emmisary, raids, dungeons, or Army training. Don't complain he isn't getting an item when he isn't doing the content that gives it. It isn't RNG, he just plain isn't doing the content to get it. Just doing Emmisary quests is a low chance of getting one. The bad luck protection isn't built up from that very fast.
  1. Glorious Leader's Avatar
    I fucking knew it to

    It may have been a mistake to make legendary items that always increase throughput.
    NO GUYS THE MISTAKE WAS PUTTING IT BEHIND AN RNG WALL. You can offer people powerful loot ON A VENDOR. Then the sting of getting sephuz is who gives a shit. Yes sephuz and prydaz is bad and i'm not sure how excited you would be for them EVEN WITHOUT dps legendaries. The procs kinda suck in the current iteration. I fucking knew they'd come to some asinine conclusion. It's never the fucking sacred cows.
  1. mmocafdb201d91's Avatar
    literally no comment about Ferals and Mythic + ... i feel Ferals will be the left out class once again.. 11 years in "redesign" and still Blizzard has 0 time to do anything to fix ferals.
  1. Vargur's Avatar
    Jeez, just change the damn utility legos into DPS ones. Everyone will be happy. Nobody asked for "utility" useless "legendaries".
  1. Jesslynn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Zanjin View Post
    "Outlaw Rogue
    Roll the Bones will not have the RNG lowered. The ability is themed around rolling dice and is something signature to Outlaw."

    and this is why rogues hate you so much. its a crap design. your RNG boner needs cut off from everything.
    This... It's like they are "BUT IT'S PIRATE-Y.... EMBRACE THE PIRATEZZZ!" .. they are basically keeping this in because it looks cool, fellow rogue folks... let that sink in.
  1. Averrix's Avatar
    Wonderful, I get to go another two months or more with my broken warlock.
  1. Irmos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Roar-Powah View Post
    This is the 1st time I'm saying this, but after this Q&A Ion isn't the right man for the top job. All he does is spew PR bullshit, he is clueless and he will drive this game into the ground with one bad decision after another.
    if u are lucky and they take u for mythic+ because u are rogue and u don't have stuns or big aoe dmg....most they prefer dh or monks they do both....
    and also there is no fun as assassination spam mult mult rupt or env...is not spec that is for kids or players that they start wow now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryotriX View Post
    Good, I hope you gonna have fun playing with those other 1000 players that got BiS and are having fun. Rest of us with shit luck, I guess it's time to find other games. WoW will be just fine with that population.
    I don't think is luck or if it is then they mentioning to casuals and top guilds...at least as far as I see...
  1. snige's Avatar
    The fact that the legendary system hasnt been changed already makes me think they insist on keeping this design for the entire expansion.

    What Ion does NOT understand is this: People play this game because they want to roleplay in a fanfasy world, as a char of their own choosing, and making said char more powerful - its the feeling of PROGRESS and having a goal that people enjoy. There is a major feeling of satisfaction involved in reaching a goal for players. Clearing all mythic dungeons, getting into your first raid, getting full epic quality gear, killing xavious on heroic etc etc. All those GOALS are a part of your character progress, and people want to see it THROUGH to the end.

    When you mix in very powerful optainable legendary items into this progress, you force people into doing an unhealthy amount of farm content because of the chance of getting that very powerful item. The idea that players have some items to work on finding throughout the entire expansion is great, but those items should never give you a massive edge over others in your over-all preformance. BUT THEY DO! and thats the problem!

    The most pathetic point about this whole topic, is the fact that it would be so damn easy to fix. Targetable legendaries og a vendor that would let you trade your excisting legendaries ONCE for another are just two quick ideas.

    I have currently around 400 mythic+ dungeon clears on my main, been raiding on mythic diff. almost since release, and doing emmisary quests every day. With a total of /played 30 days at max lvl, im still only sitting with two avarage legendaries for ONE spec.
    My alt has a total of 4 days at max level - so i'll just let you imagine how little i've played that character and yet, I ALSO have two legendaries on that toon. That should not be fucking possible! I dont mind some healthy RNG, but this is retarded.

    Do I feel motivated to farm even more mythic+ dungeons for NEW legendaries when they add them to the game? Fuck off.
    Do I feel motivated to play off-specs without legendaries, knowing that I'll obviously preform below what my mainspec would do? Fuck off.
    I play Feral druid with two avarage legendaries. Do I feel motivated to farm more content form better legendaries when I know there is a 50% chance that my next legendary will be a worthless ring/neck? Fuck off.

    Blizzard is killing this expansion slowly, and I pains me to see it happen, since it really did have so much potential.

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